Protests

[Rich]

Not worth the comment.

You mean it's yours?

 

[Bodisathva]

Define illegal

Illegal: prohibited by law or by official or accepted rules

remind me who the country belonged to originally?

The "Native Americans".... being a descendent of the Blackfoot tribe I submit to you that is irrelevant at this juncture. There are a specific set of rules for entering the country so that we can make allowances for healthcare, welfare, public works, etc. If you bypass the rules, you defeat the purpose and your actions are creating the very problem you protest against.

 

[selenau837]

How about some of theose poor blacks who don't earn enough to support themselves, are they to be thrown out too?

This is not about race and the welfare system. This is about illegial aliens coming into this country, using our system and refusing to do what is necssary to become legal citiziens of this country. Period, end of story.

They are wanting to prove a point, that they can ramine illegial and we can't do a darn thing about it. That is VERY childish and is a reflection of their mentality.



PS, I really don't feel this thread is the proper place to discuss the welfare system. I have VERY strong beliefs on that and I am sure we can make a HUGE thread on that alone.

 

[Rich]

Illegal: prohibited by law or by official or accepted rules

The "Native Americans".... being a descendent of the Blackfoot tribe I submit to you that is irrelevant at this juncture. There are a specific set of rules for entering the country so that we can make allowances for healthcare, welfare, public works, etc. If you bypass the rules, you defeat the purpose and your actions are creating the very problem you protest against.

Those rules were drawn up by a bunch of illegals to start with

 

[selenau837]

Illegal: prohibited by law or by official or accepted rules

The "Native Americans".... being a descendent of the Blackfoot tribe I submit to you that is irrelevant at this juncture. There are a specific set of rules for entering the country so that we can make allowances for healthcare, welfare, public works, etc. If you bypass the rules, you defeat the purpose and your actions are creating the very problem you protest against.

Was about to say that.

 

[FoFa]

The "Native Americans".... being a descendent of the Blackfoot tribe I submit to you that is irrelevant at this juncture. There are a specific set of rules for entering the country so that we can make allowances for healthcare, welfare, public works, etc. If you bypass the rules, you defeat the purpose and your actions are creating the very problem you protest against.

Yea! That's it, that was the problem. See the Native Americans didn't have any RULES on immigration. And look what happened!

(High fiving Bodisathva in the background).

 

[Rich]

This is not about race and the welfare system. This is about illegial aliens coming into this country, using our system and refusing to do what is necssary to become legal citiziens of this country. Period, end of story.

Then why are they working for your industry and therefore contributing to your economy?

 

[selenau837]

Then why are they working for your industry and therefore contributing to your economy?

Let them work, I don't care. My concern is, they are working and not paying taxes. They don't pay taxes because they are being paid under the table. That is wrong!!!

Become a citizen and pay your debt to society like the rest of us.

 

[Rich]

Let them work, I don't care. My concern is, they are working and not paying taxes. They don't pay taxes because they are being paid under the table. That is wrong!!!

Become a citizen and pay your debt to society like the rest of us.

You mean everybody in your country pays taxes irrespective of their income, somehow I don't think so

 

[TessB]

Define illegal and remind me who the country belonged to originally?

I seem to recall RedCoats claiming authority somewhere along the lines.... I don't think they were fighting on the side of the Indians...

 

[Rich]

I seem to recall RedCoats claiming authority somewhere along the lines.... I don't think they were fighting on the side of the Indians...

We didn't all but wipe out the natives as part of our settlement policy

 

[selenau837]

You mean everybody in your country pays taxes irrespective of their income, somehow I don't think so

It comes out of our paychecks before we even touch our money. So, yes, if they were legal citizens they would be taxed on their check.

Tax fraud is also another subject.

 

[Rich]

It comes out of our paychecks before we even touch our money. So, yes, if they were legal citizens they would be taxed on their check.

Tax fraud is also another subject.

You mean if you were earning just $10 a week you'd be taxed, surely you have allowances?

 

[Bodisathva]

You mean everybody in your country pays taxes irrespective of their income, somehow I don't think so

Technically, yes. Last week was "Tax Liberation Day". The day is a representation of the amount of taxes we actually pay. If we got to keep no money out of our paychecks until our yearly taxes were paid, last week would have been the first time we would have seen any money Now for those who make less than what the government considers "poverty level", they will get a good portion of that back, if not all. We also have a program called Earned Income Credit where if your household does not make "enough" the government will actually give you more back than you paid in. A good rule of thumb is to take the gross pay you make and take 27% out for taxes...you should see roughly 73% of your gross paycheck as a net amount...that will vary based upon state and local tax rates, of course.

 

[selenau837]

You mean if you were earning just $10 a week you'd be taxed, surely you have allowances?

Any time you get paid legally, some form of tax is taken out. I belive there is a min you have to make for Federal to be taken out, not sure. However, there is medicare and Soc Sec that is taken no matter what you make.

 

[Rich]

Technically, yes. Last week was "Tax Liberation Day". The day is a representation of the amount of taxes we actually pay. If we got to keep no money out of our paychecks until our yearly taxes were paid, last week would have been the first time we would have seen any money Now for those who make less than what the government considers "poverty level", they will get a good portion of that back, if not all. We also have a program called Earned Income Credit where if your household does not make "enough" the government will actually give you more back than you paid in. A good rule of thumb is to take the gross pay you make and take 27% out for taxes...you should see roughly 73% of your gross paycheck as a net amount...that will vary based upon state and local tax rates, of course.

Here everybody gets an allowance to start with before any tax is deducted, other benefits are paid back through tax/child benefits etc

 

[FoFa]

We didn't all but wipe out the natives as part of our settlement policy

Because we kicked your A$$ out before you had the chance
BuHAHA

 

[dan-cat]

Not everyone who is against any form of amnesty or thinks that these protests are not only 100% wrong but absolutely ridiculous , is guilty of racism... it's called pragmatism.

I didn't say they were, I just don't see why one has to compare a group of people to a swarm of insects to bolster their argument. Would you like me to refer you to some similar rhetoric used by the Nazi propaganda machine?

You cannot intentionally hide from the law and then criticize it's protection of you.

There are millions of imprisoned criminals in the US who are protected by the law. Would their criticisms of the law be valid if the law allowed members of the public to administer their own justice? What if a protester was being beaten to death by a group of American citizens - should he/she be exempt from the protection of the law?

You cannot skirt the laws and regulations and think that there will be no retribution. That is asinine.

Did I say anything about not taking responsibility for one's own actions? You are jumping to conclusions.

Technically, following the letter of the Constitution, yes... but that doesn't validate the argument.

How can an individual be a human 'technically'? What argument are you debating against precisely?

They do not benefit from the protection of the law because they are illegal.

Utter nonsense. What do you think would happen to society if criminals were not protected by the law?

Because we are allowing it to become so. They have broken, are breaking, and, as the protests show, intend to go on breaking the law. They are, by definition and admission, criminals and should be treated as such. If they want the protection of the law, they should abide by the law. Dire need does not excuse one's actions, it merely displays extenuating circumstances. We can accept the reasoning but sooner or later someone has to pay the price for the transgression and I do not feel that it should be the law abiding citizens nor the immigrants who put forth the effort to legally enter the US.

I'm afraid it's not just the illegal immigrants who have been breaking the law. It's the ones who have been giving them the jobs also. The point of fact is, is that they have been used in this way for precisely the reasons you have demonstrated. We have all enjoyed low prices at the supermarkets and as long as the means to those low prices are not troublesome then the situation has been ignored. However, as soon as this workforce starts talking then we get all upset.

The fact is that these people have been illegal for years and they have been PROTECTED by our society for years. It is has only become an issue for us when these people start talking. (Oh yes, put a large group of people together with a common circumstance and they will find something to talk about) Suddenly when they do start making noises they become terrorists and they're not allowed to talk. But they've been allowed to use their hands to pick our vegetables haven't they?

Do you get my point of hypocrisy? Our society has allowed them to work for years as long as they don't talk. You talk of responsibility for your own actions, well I'm afraid we are seeing the effects of a long-installed greed ethic in our society and what's the cop out? "These people are a bunch of insects!". That, my friend, is asinine.

 

[Rich]

Because we kicked your A$$ out before you had the chance
BuHAHA

Yes wasn't it supposedly because you didn't want to pay tax. Well as they say, what goes round comes round

 

[dan-cat]

Then why are they working for your industry and therefore contributing to your economy?

Oh yes indeed. Why do these illegals have such a big club to wield?

I think it has something to do with reaping what you sow.