Rudy

[AccessBlaster]

We need realistic immigration policy

wait, what?

 

[jpl458]

wait, what?

Whats so funny about that? I thought I was agreeing with you.

 

[AccessBlaster]

We need realistic immigration policy

Only in an election cycle otherwise, you are oblivious to the consequences of unrestrained immigration.

 

[jpl458]

Only in an election cycle otherwise, you are oblivious to the consequences of unrestrained immigration.

I thought congress was working on it now. They cancelled Xmas vacations to try and figure it out. I live in Texas, so I am not oblivious to the consequences.

 

[Isaac]

But despite this, I think we have to not be comparing apples with oranges. Trump says they are sending their rapists, and so forth. He is not saying they are sending innocents to then ra** in the US. These are entirely two different things. He is making a point that they are already rapists who are then crossing the border. The previously cited article is comparing domestic crime rates for immigrants, which is not what Trump is talking about.

And let me tell you, some of those countries ... my own (Mexican immigrant) wife says that it seems all you see (mostly anyway) is "el vomito de Mexico" coming up through the border. Her words! Which in a way gives people the wrong impression, but also the correct impression, as it stands

So yeah, what I heard from Trump the other night (and I listened to the whole thing, not just a msnbc soundbite) was simply a man who is angry at unlimited illegal immigration. Well, so am I. Angry might be going a bit far, but extremely concerned.

 

[jpl458]

And let me tell you, some of those countries ... my own (Mexican immigrant) wife says that it seems all you see (mostly anyway) is "el vomito de Mexico" coming up through the border. Her words! Which in a way gives people the wrong impression, but also the correct impression, as it stands

So yeah, what I heard from Trump the other night (and I listened to the whole thing, not just a msnbc soundbite) was simply a man who is angry at unlimited illegal immigration. Well, so am I. Angry might be going a bit far, but extremely concerned.

As I have read, the vast majority of the illegle immigrants are not Mexican, but are from South and Central america, and are trying to find a better place to live because where they are from is so hostile. But I agree that we need reform to stem the flow.

 

[AccessBlaster]

...I live in Texas, so I am not oblivious to the consequences.

There are going to be consequences at the polls for the reckless democrat behavior regarding the border. Democrats will be trying to distance themselves and try to appear moderate or centrist, but that only works on the RHINOs, it will not work on the public who remember what happened on day one.

 

[jpl458]

There are going to be consequences at the polls for the reckless democrat behavior regarding the border. Democrats will be trying to distance themselves and try to appear moderate or centrist, but that only works on the RHINOs, it will not work on the public who remember what happened on day one.

Will there be firing squads?

 

[AccessBlaster]

No just rejection at the ballot box, why do you ask?

 

[jpl458]

I was just being snarky, my apologies, but I am not as liberal as you would assume. I used to be a Republican, but I started having my doubts when I watched Carol Rove, and Newty, have an agenda leaning toward one party rule. There was a time when the Right and Left got along, as demonstrated by what was called the Ev and Jerry show, Ill let you look that up. Around the time of the Clinton administration is when things started going of the rails with we vs them. It was Rove, Newt, and Dick Army. As I remeber they were the first to take up the cudgel against "The Other SIde"

I am out for a while. Don't like silos.

Have a nice Xmas

 

[AccessBlaster]

I was just being snarky, my apologies, but I am not as liberal as you would assume. I used to be a Republican, but I started having my doubts when I watched Carol Rove, and Newty, have an agenda leaning toward one party rule. There was a time when the Right and Left got along, as demonstrated by what was called the Ev and Jerry show, Ill let you look that up. Around the time of the Clinton administration is when things started going of the rails with we vs them. It was Rove, Newt, and Dick Army. As I remeber they were the first to take up the cudgel against "The Other SIde"

I am out for a while. Don't like silos.

Have a nice Xmas

I'm a recovering democrat who is now a registered independent. We do have things in common, I don't like Carl Rove, Newt, or most of the republican apparatus. And I am not afraid to say I am no fanboy of the repubs either.

But when it comes to things like border security "your boy" Joe ranks pretty low and that should alarm everyone, but it doesn't penetrate the partisan wall the left hides behind.

Anyway, have a great Christmas!

 

[Isaac]

Don't like silos.

Silos area beautiful iconic representation of the former small-farm America. My parents have one that still stands tall against every harsh weather of northern Wisconsin, many great memories there as a child

 

[Isaac]

I realized I wasn't a Democrat and that their programs were actually not "moral" in any real sense

Stealing other people's money, and actually having the practice of doing that is nothing moral whatsoever.
Giving money is moral, but not quite as much when you've stolen it first.

I'm a Republican, and have only grown stronger in that regard throughout the years as it has become increasingly popular to say "I hate all sides" (easier to get along at parties that way). Republicans are so much closer to the truth than everyone else I am satisfied enough with their goals - but I agree they are just goals, and need to be actually reached now and again

 

[jpl458]

Silos area beautiful iconic representation of the former small-farm America. My parents have one that still stands tall against every harsh weather of northern Wisconsin, many great memories there as a child

I grew up in rural Michign, and though there was not that much agriculture, there was the occasional, stately silo. I remember them well. The silos I don't have much feeling for are the political silos that exist today.

 

[jpl458]

Pat, I do not live in a silo. I don't get my news from MSNBC or Fox. And quit telling me I hate Trump. I don't hate him, but I would never vote for him.

 

[jpl458]

Then why do you want to see him persecuted?

You said we all live in political silos. Did that mean -except for you? You are the only rational person out there. One who can carefully weigh the views and see through to the truth?

I asked two specific questions which of course, you elected to ignore. That's OK. They're pretty hard questions.

First, he is being prosecuted, not persecuted, for acts that grand juries found were criminal. Second, no I don't live in a silo., I don't my get news and opinions from the sources mentioned above.

Lastly, if the former President is granted immunity because he was President, then wouldn't that immunity pass to any sitting President? Simple question. Yes or no.

 

[Isaac]

the former President is granted immunity because he was President, then wouldn't that immunity pass to any sitting President? Simple question. Yes or no.

No. Because every legal case is a unique set of facts to which a statutory and case law is applied, making every case a bit different

 

[jpl458]

No. Because every legal case is a unique set of facts to which a statutory and case law is applied, making every case a bit different

Wouldn't it set a leagle precedent? The former President claims that he is immune because he was President. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander, in less than leagle terms. But our laws and the edjudication of those laws is, a lot of time set by precident.

 

[jpl458]

With Biden, his crimes started before he became President but at least one is ongoing. However, he has also committed impeachable offences so he should be impeached AND when he is out of office, prosecuted for his payola scams and money laundering business as well as the secret documents he stole while he was a Senator.

Pat, that is not the question. Does the immunity pass on via precedent:

Precedent refers to a court decision that is considered as authority for deciding subsequent cases involving identical or similar facts, or similar legal issues. Precedent is incorporated into the doctrine of stare decisis and requires courts to apply the law in the same manner to cases with the same facts.

 

[Jon]

Does the immunity pass on via precedent

Only if it is for official duties, which the Trump team are claiming. You are arguing for something the Trump team are not seeking. They are not seeking immunity for something outside of official duties.

Influence peddling and extortion by Biden is not an official duty.