Transgenders in Olympics

If we keep the focus on Transgenders in Olympics you only have to look at boxing and wresting to answer your questions.

Okay, so how does one balance the values of fairness and inclusion, when there's no single consensus on how these complex factors should be weighed among contact, non-contact, team, and individual sports? You can't please everyone. Someone will always complain if they're not included.
 
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Well it can't be at expense of biological women who've put in the work competing against other biological women, only to have a biological male dominate every aspect of the competition. Sorry, if that doesn't make sense.

Okay, so what's the International Olympic Committee's official policy on allowing transgender women to compete in biological womens sports?
 
there's fewer than a dozen in collegiate and professional sports combined
I believe that's untrue, I read stories every few weeks about one of them taking a trophy or prize of some kind. It's a leftwing myth designed to squelch conversation about the topic. I noticed you restricted your statement to, presumably, professional college and beyond - but still.

Okay, so what's the International Olympic Committee's official policy on allowing transgender women to compete in biological womens sports?
You may want to look it up - they just came out with a new one
 
You may want to look it up - they just came out with a new one
https://www.olympics.com/ioc/human-rights/fairness-inclusion-nondiscrimination
The IOC supports the participation of any athlete who has qualified and met the eligibility criteria to compete in the Olympic Games as established by their IF. The IOC will not discriminate against an athlete who has qualified through their IF, on the basis of their gender identity and/or sex characteristics.
The IOC passed on the hot potato to the IF's 🤭
There is no single "International Federation's" policy; instead, each international sports federation sets its own rules regarding transgender women competing in women's sports. The International Olympic Committee (IOC) has shifted responsibility to individual federations.
 
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I think your suggestion falls squarely in the realm of practical and helpful. I'm not sure that specifically is the answer, but I agree - something that recognizes the differences we are all aiming to recognize is a good thing. Going down that road, it seems the classification basis might need to be different for different sports, too..wherein each sport has physical aspects that are more or less important, including but perhaps not always limited to Weight
As someone who has known women who could kick my ass, I agree. This could be a starting point for many sports as others are worked out. The weight class doesn't even need to be the same across sports either.

Wouldn't that also help solve for all this argument about biological men being "physically bigger" that is always popping up? It would force people to compete against people their own size. Obviously, it's not always true, but I think it would at least make that argument moot. We even typically have weight classes in men's sports already for this very reason. So lean into it and do away with gender separation entirely.

There has to be a solution that respects someone's gender choice and keeps people safe.

I suspect certain crowds will never be pleased because it's not the act of trans people in sports that offends them, but that trans people exist. They will have to find some other reason to be upset. I'm sure as they do, we can keep working toward a solution that keeps their "arguments" in check and makes the balance even better as a nice side effect.
 
No, because biological males would continue to dominate in physical competitions, it's science.
This is where other things can categorize them instead of gender, like weight. It's no different than what already exists in many men's sports.

We can't pretend that all of one gender, even biologically, is created equal. This is why so many biological women are even being accused of being trans.
 
I noticed you restricted your statement to, presumably, professional college and beyond - but still.
Yes I did, because there's less than a dozen transgender women in those two groups. I can imagine there's many more in the other groups.
However, my question still stands unanswered. Have those transgender women been pummeling biological women, or monopolising the stats?
 
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Yes I did, because there's less than a dozen transgender women in those two groups. I can imagine there's many more in the other groups.
However, my question still stands unanswered. Have those transgender women been pummeling biological women, or monopolising the stats?
Not as often as certain groups of people would make you believe. The internet has allowed information to travel so much faster and in the rare instance it does happen, we suddenly see it spread and used as fuel for said group to force opinions from and to their base. It really isn't as large a deal as people make it out to be, it's like the whole trans individuals in the public bathroom debacle. It's been happening for decades and most people never even know when it galena because... and this is shocking.... they are just using the bathroom. Suddenly it's used as some talking point to rile up a base and people start questioning it everywhere, though it's literally never been a problem for decades.

There are many more large and muscular biological women who dominate their sports and could be argued s having an unfair advantage than trans women in women sports. But when certain bases can use it as a talking point, it suddenly becomes big news. When the order was signed banning it in colleges, people acted like it was some huge accomplishment. So you know how many people it impacted? I think the highest count I saw was 5. Across the entire country, 5 people were banned from a sport on Presidential order. It's crazy to look at that as some big win when in reality, the entire "issue" was literally a non-issue for over 99% of the country.

And then you get these bases questioning legitimate biological women who dominate their sports, questioning their gender. It's insane.

There are much bigger problems in the country. This didn't need to get this much attention at all.

If this violates the new rules, please feel free to delete it. But I really must say that this "issue" has been unnecessarily politicized already, so any discussion related will always be political.
 
There are many more large and muscular biological women who dominate their sports and could be argued s having an unfair advantage than trans women in women sports.
I'm sorry but It think I have some problem understanding your point.
You mean because some biological female start body building to win, or have bigger body than a normal female, it's fine to allow trans female (men at birth) take part in female sports and dominate them too?

 
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If transgender women are unfairly monopolising and injuring biological women, then I agree with @AccessBlaster that remedies need to be implemented to protect biological women. However, I don't see any evidence of this being a widespread problem and defer to the governing bodies to do what they feel is realistically fair.
 
This is where other things can categorize them instead of gender, like weight.
Sports use different competition formats because the physical factors that decide the outcome are different in each sport.
Weight classes are used only where body weight strongly affects performance or creates safety risks.
Sports without weight classes are generally those where skill, speed, technique, coordination, and strategy matter more than raw mass or force.

The two condition that requires sports weight divisions, is Safety and Fairness. In Sports like Boxing, Wrestling,... more muscle mass = more strength. These sports requirs physical strike, throw, or grapple with an opponent, a heavier person can easily injure a lighter one.
In combat sports or strength-based sports, heavier athletes have a natural advantage. That's why they are seperated into different weight divisions.

Other sports is more based on technique and skills. Volleyball, Basketball, Soccer, .... Even very small people can be one of the bests. (Messi, Ronaldo...) In Tennis, a 60 kg player can beat a 80 kg player if they have better technique and speed.In Volleyball, height matters more than weight.
 
Sports use different competition formats because the physical factors that decide the outcome are different in each sport.
Weight classes are used only where body weight strongly affects performance or creates safety risks.
Sports without weight classes are generally those where skill, speed, technique, coordination, and strategy matter more than raw mass or force.

The two condition that requires sports weight divisions, is Safety and Fairness. In Sports like Boxing, Wrestling,... more muscle mass = more strength. These sports requirs physical strike, throw, or grapple with an opponent, a heavier person can easily injure a lighter one.
In combat sports or strength-based sports, heavier athletes have a natural advantage. That's why they are seperated into different weight divisions.

Other sports is more based on technique and skills. Volleyball, Basketball, Soccer, .... Even very small people can be one of the bests. (Messi, Ronaldo...) In Tennis, a 60 kg player can beat a 80 kg player if they have better technique and speed.In Volleyball, height matters more than weight.
Agreed. Non-contact sports like Tennis and Golf have Open tournaments where anyone can qualify to play against the best. The question is, are transgender women competing in biological women sport events a significant problem, or is it just being hyped up for other ulterior motives?
 
The question is, are transgender women competing in biological women sport events a significant problem, or is it just being hyped up for other ulterior motives?
I leave the judgement to you. I shared a link above. And again the same link here. Just tell me what you think. Preventing 900 medals go to trans is fair or not?

 
@BlueSpruce
Let me help you a bit. This is one of those cases:

Laurel Hubbard's Athletic Career Highlights
  • Pre-Transition: Hubbard competed in men's weightlifting events at a junior level in her 20s, setting national records in the men's category. She stopped competing for 15 years while struggling with her gender identity.
  • Post-Transition: After transitioning to female in her mid-30s, she resumed her career and became eligible to compete in women's events under the International Olympic Committee's (IOC) 2015 guidelines (which required testosterone levels below a certain threshold).
  • International Medals: She has won several international medals in the women's category, including:
    • A silver medal at the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships.
    • Two gold medals at the 2019 Pacific Games.
    • A gold medal at the Roma 2020 World Cup.
 
I leave the judgement to you. I shared a link above. And again the same link here. Just tell me what you think. Preventing 900 medals go to trans is fair or not?

I no longer rely on, or trust any social media based reporting such as the one you offered. Whatever the governing bodies decide to do is going to be more realistic, as they are the ones directly dealing with the issues.
 
@BlueSpruce
Let me help you a bit. This is one of those cases:

Laurel Hubbard's Athletic Career Highlights
  • Pre-Transition: Hubbard competed in men's weightlifting events at a junior level in her 20s, setting national records in the men's category. She stopped competing for 15 years while struggling with her gender identity.
  • Post-Transition: After transitioning to female in her mid-30s, she resumed her career and became eligible to compete in women's events under the International Olympic Committee's (IOC) 2015 guidelines (which required testosterone levels below a certain threshold).
  • International Medals: She has won several international medals in the women's category, including:
    • A silver medal at the 2017 World Weightlifting Championships.
    • Two gold medals at the 2019 Pacific Games.
    • A gold medal at the Roma 2020 World Cup.
I think this post actually sums it up well, but not in the way you think. She got a Silver in 2017? Did a biological woman beat her?
 
I think this post actually sums it up well, but not in the way you think. She got a Silver in 2017? Did a biological woman beat her?
Yes. But it was her first try. Later all Gold. And he had national level titles before transition.
 
I suspect certain crowds will never be pleased because it's not the act of trans people in sports that offends them, but that trans people exist.
Playing devil's advocate, I think it may have more to do with their discomfort knowing that there is a movement afoot that seems to be changing, gaining traction, increasing whispering in the ears of 12 yr olds who are ALREADY going through the most difficult and confusing time of their life, whispering that they may be unhappy wiht their gender - a topic already of prime confusion to anyone going through puberty - and making the situation diabolically worse, and that that "whispering" is being encouraged and amplified and utilized by some in the spheres of education, administration, law, and medicine. (well medicine you already know their motivation - $$ - since the explosion of transgenderism in the last few years, multi billions of new facilities being built, etc. etc.)
 
It's such a minority case. There are also many more intersex people in the world than some realize. Swyer Syndrome is about 1 in 80,000 people. Born with XY chromosomes but biologically presenting female. They are often born with highly underdeveloped testes that never descend (of course) and can have varying degrees of testosterone.

This is only one syndrome. There are many others that completely throw out the male/female identification rules. Where would they fall?

I think we just need to move away from gender separated sports. Science has taught us that this is a fallacy.
 

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