What is torture?

[Rich]

Then the entire Middle East can go back to riding camels and living in tents. We won’t have any use for them and they can live and war with each other as they have done for five thousand years.

Once again your ignorance is encyclopaedic, exceeded only by that of your leaders

 

[jsanders]

Once again your ignorance is encyclopaedic, exceeded only by that of your leaders

Explain it to me.

I have a fairly good understanding of the goals, of at least the Saudis, on this issue.


The Royal Family in Saudi Arabia has a master plan to abandon the country as the oil starts to run out. They have invested more than 1.5 trillion dollars in the US. The plan is for the Royal Family to move to the US with established dynasties in place, leaving the rest of the country to fend for themselves.

A famous saying in Saudi is “My grandfather rode a camel, my father rode a Rolls Royce, I and my sons ride a Gulf Stream, my grandson will ride a camel.”

 

[Rich]

Once again your theories are somewhat flawed, to say the least.
The Saudis have invested in all the major economies of the world for years to ensure their long term financial security.
In fact if they hadn't many of the western economies would have collapsed

 

[jsanders]

Once again your theories are somewhat flawed, to say the least.
The Saudis have invested in all the major economies of the world for years to ensure their long term financial security.
In fact if they hadn't many of the western economies would have collapsed

The thing is, I have friends that are consultants to the Royal Families and the information is sound, even if you don’t want to believe it.

Do you honestly think they care about the servant or merchant classes?

Please; you’re trying to assign western values on people that don’t have them.

 

[jsanders]

Once again your theories are somewhat flawed, to say the least.
The Saudis have invested in all the major economies of the world for years to ensure their long term financial security.
In fact if they hadn't many of the western economies would have collapsed

Yeah because us dumb-asses in the west bought all their oil instead of developing fusion.

It’s cheaper to be stupid.

 

[Rich]

Please; you’re trying to assign western values on people that don’t have them.

No Josey, not me, American presidents and their gun ho cronies

 

[jsanders]

No Josey, not me, American presidents and their gun ho cronies

You said they have been investing all over the western world (that includes Japan and the Asian western world as well). The inference being that they had no intention of leaving Saudi.

That is putting a British love of land value system on them. Soon the west will loose it’s middle class and then the Saudis and the Chinese can get things done here with servent labor the same way they do there.

And the circle will be complete. While we argue about BS like this, they are taking away the middle class all over the western world.

And the term is gung ho

 

[jsanders]

I'm not wrong about this look at the numbers not the emotions.

The numbers don't lie.

 

[Rich]

You said they have been investing all over the western world (that includes Japan and the Asian western world as well). The inference being that they had no intention of leaving Saudi.

That is putting a British love of land value system on them. Soon the west will loose it’s middle class and then the Saudis and the Chinese can get things done here with servent labor the same way they do there.

And the circle will be complete. While we argue about BS like this, they are taking away the middle class all over the western world.

And the term is gung ho

The middle class is and has been growing for years over here jj, maybe there's something wrong with the American dream

 

[Rich]

I'm not wrong about this look at the numbers not the emotions.

The numbers don't lie.

Which numbers are you talking about, Mexican immigrants?

 

[jsanders]

The middle class is and has been growing for years over here jj, maybe there's something wrong with the American dream

It is going to change. Remember you heard it here first.

 

[Rich]

It is going to change. Remember you heard it here first.

If it does it'll have nothing to do with the Chinks or Indians or Saudis, it'll be due to the lack of natural resources, especially fuel

 

[Year of the Tig]

And cuts to Medicare which the middle classes are relying on more and more.

 

[Rich]

And cuts to Medicare

somebody's got to pay for Bush's war machine

 

[jsanders]

If it does it'll have nothing to do with the Chinks or Indians or Saudis, it'll be due to the lack of natural resources, especially fuel

It's all related. The ultra rich (and there are only a hand full) are going to own the entire planet. As I said; it's comming full circle.

The industrial revolution bringeth and the industrial materation taketh.

 

[Rich]

It's all related. The ultra rich (and there are only a hand full) are going to own the entire planet. .

Wake up Josey, they have done for years

 

[Year of the Tig]

Centuries! The top 1% - 5% of the population has always owned 80+% of the wealth.

What we need is a fairer distribution of that wealth. Tax cuts which are not simply to benefit the very wealthy who do not need it. Beyond £1 million what else do you need?
Why are single individuals permitted, in any society, to own more than that - to own BILLIONS???

There is one pie. If a handful of people take the hugest slices it leaves the rest of us fighting over the crumbs. We need to stop fighting and take back some of that pie, which they cannot eat anyway!

 

[ColinEssex]

What, in your opinion, constitutes torture?

1) Marriage

2) Going shopping with a female for shoes

3) Visiting the "in laws"

4) Babysitting

5) Going shopping with a female.

I could go on. . . . . . . . .

Col

 

[jsanders]

1) Marriage

2) Going shopping with a female for shoes

3) Visiting the "in laws"

4) Babysitting

5) Going shopping with a female.

I could go on. . . . . . . . .

Col

We did stray. didn't we?

 

[ColinEssex]

We did stray. didn't we?

Torture can take many forms jj

Col