What should Biden do after he wins? (4 Viewers)

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But yet, the proof hasn't been presented to anyone that needs to see it. It's all hearsay until then. Laura Ingraham was just spouting the same "observations" that Trump spouted in his news conference without presenting any proof.
 

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Fact's exist at various "levels". Observations of Republican poll monitors alleging that they may have seen something, are hearsay. Submitting evidence that certain person may have illegally voted is verifiable and a step in the right direction for establishing facts. But even that may be not prove anything since it is unknown if the asserted illegal votes helped Biden or helped Trump. What is need, and which has not yet happened, is finding a u-haul full of ballots supporting Biden. So we wait, assuming that something will eventually be found that provides really hard facts.

Even if discernible hard facts have not been uncovered, a shadow exists on the legitimacy of the election results by looking at other events.

First, it appears that Republican have retained their control of the Senate and expanded their presence in the House. So how is it that Trump is losing? The most obvious explanation, many people who voted for Republicans in the Senate and the House, simply did not vote for Trump. But it is a question worth pondering.

Second, the media and the Democrats have run a successful smear campaign against Trump. Additionally, the Democrats have used their political power to file a series of false charges against Trump. So, can the claim be made that the anti-Trump crowd "interfered" (like Russia supposedly interfered) in the election process so that it was not honest. All campaigns involve a degree of subjective "interference", as you are making a case for why your candidate is the one who should be elected. But it appears that the anti-Trump crowd in this election ignored all ethical and moral constraints to manufactuire an anti-Trump theme. The gullible public "bought", without thinking the shiny hypnotic object the Democrats were dangling in front of them. The pro-Trump crowd, unfortunately, was not able to successfully refute the Democratic smear campaign. So maybe the results of the election are "honest" in a false sense (the anti-Trump crowd has been asserting that Russian interfernce in the election process gave Trump the win), as they "interfered" through a variety of unethical actions to manipulate the gullible public in voting against Trump.
 

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Keep in mind the same people who literally think Trump is Hitler, Nazi and a Fascist are the same people who are now counting votes. What could go wrong?
 

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I find it all very strange why there should be any objections from the Democrats for allowing Republicans to observe the votes being counted. Why object to confirming that votes are valid? It stinks.
 

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Keep in mind the same people who literally think Trump is Hitler, Nazi and a Fascist are the same people who are now counting votes. What could go wrong?
So only democrats are counting votes in those republican counties in Pa.?

I find it all very strange why there should be any objections from the Democrats for allowing Republicans to observe the votes being counted. Why object to confirming that votes are valid? It stinks.
Who's objecting?

You can watch too



How many votes has Hunter gotten?
 

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They kept them 30 to 50 foot away to start with. The Republicans had to go to court to get the barrier moved to 6 foot away. Then they moved the balloting machine away. You need to observe the decision making, making sure they don't put invalid ballots through for one side and not for the other. I'm sure you agree that you need observers who can watch close by to verify, rather than too far away to check.


The judge in the area already changed the voting requirement for needing matching signatures and a postmark for the ballot to be considered valid. That stinks in and of itself. Opens the door to corruption to benefit primarily Democrats. How coincidental from a Democrat judge.
 

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If you actually pay attention to the court case instead of random people on Twitter, GOP pollwatchers were called forward and admitted they were there pollwatching. The biggest complaint that Trump's lawyers could provide is that they were kept 10 feet away (determined by law and this wasn't a new law, it's been this way for decades) and said it was too far for them to adequately watch. The judge ordered that be reduced to 6 feet to comply with Covid standards. That's it. There was no conspiracy blocking pollwatchers from being there. There is a large number of GOP pollwatchers outside and they are at capacity on both sides inside. As people leave, others are allowed in up to that capacity. The GOP GWB appointed judge agreed.

Even then, this doesn't change votes. It only seeks to damage and undermine the election process. It doesn't help Trump win anything.
 

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Before getting to vote counting; Democrats have done everything possible to obscure the validity of the voter, consequently the integrity of the votes is in question even before the first ballot was submitted.

Edit: Additionally, it is the responsibility of the voter to register and vote on time. Yet the Democrats push the concept that deadlines are "soft" as a means of "accommodation" to facilitate the voting process for people who have had essentially 4 years to prepare for this election. Most egregious, Pennsylvania is allowing the receipt of ballots without post marks to be accepted for a while after the polls closed. Soft deadlines create opportunities for fraud.
 
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On a more serious note: If voter fraud is actually occurring on a large scale, there must be some whistle blowers some where? Where are they?
I hate to be a conspiracy nut but I would guess that only true believers are working the vote counting rooms so there will be no whistle blowers. Why else would people cheer when monitors were forced to leave the room?

It's also not likely that the bulk of the problem occurs in the room unless it is by slight of hand where they are counting boxes of ballots known to be favorable to Biden multiple times.
 

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It only seeks to damage and undermine the election process.
The Dems destroyed the election process back in 2016 with the Hillary backed phony Steele dossier. And the constant harping that he is a Fascist. They never accepted DJT as "their" president but now they claim the high road as usual. :rolleyes:
 

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Look at it this way. We have another 4 years of Russia, Russia, China, Ukraine or at least until Harris gets rid of Biden so she can rule.
 

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Look at it this way. We have another 4 years of Russia, Russia, China, Ukraine or at least until Harris gets rid of Biden so she can rule.
I just wish things would go back to "normal". Too much polarization and red vs blue etc.
The whole every week there's some kind of "bomb shell" report is just tiring.
 

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I just wish things would go back to "normal". Too much polarization and red vs blue etc.
The whole every week there's some kind of "bomb shell" report is just tiring.
Too true. Everyone just points fingers. It's exhausting.
 

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That's stupid. Michigan laws require the ballots to be RECEIVED by polls close to count. The postmark in MI doesn't matter. Seems like the whole thing on both sides is kind of redundant, true or not, because they won't accept any ballots after election day regardless of postmark date.
 

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I just wish things would go back to "normal". Too much polarization and red vs blue etc.
Who made the polarization? I'll give you some clues.

Which is the party of free stuff? How do you get free stuff? You steal money from people who have it. When I donate money to people/causes I think are worthy, it's charity. When you take money from me at gunpoint to give to someone YOU deem worthy, it is theft.
Which is the party of lets not punish the law breakers, i.e. we started with catch and release at the border, now we have catch and release in our cities? Why is it not a crime to apply graffiti but it is a crime to not remove it? Because criminals apply graffiti and honest, hardworking citizens are required to remove it because they own the buildings.
Which is the party of you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent?
Which is the party of, if I don't like what you're saying, it's hate speech?
Which is the party of "never let a good crisis go to waste"?
Which is the party of limiting attendance at church but not at casinos?
Why is it safe to dine before 9PM but not after? Because the party of "science" says so. Shut up!
Why is it necessary to wear a mask when if you read the labels, they will tell you they don't stop virus'. The masks that we're all wearing like sheep are rated to block dust and smoke, NOT to stop the passage of bacteria or virus It's like putting a chain link fence around your yard and expecting to keep out mosquitos. OK, maybe some will squish themselves if they fly with their eyes closed and hit a cross piece. Wearing a mask is virtue signaling, plain and simple. I am wearing a mask so I am a good person and you are a bad person. The "science" says so. Shut up!
Which is the party of equal outcomes rather than equal opportunities?
Which is the party that thinks the Constitution is simply suggestions written by racist white men?

Nothing will ever be normal again. The left is close to winning a stolen election and nothing will stop them after that. When you take an election by stealing it, you change the United States of America forever. Trump is still fighting a valiant fight but the deck is stacked against him. If the election were even close to honest, the vote counting would be open and transparent. The workers would not applaud when observers were removed from the room. They would be aghast at the violation of procedure if they weren't doing something nefarious! What are they hiding? Why don't you care? Why is the press piling on against Trump? Aren't they supposed to be fair and balanced? The press is supposed to keep the government honest. They are no longer willing to do that. They have gone from being the 4th estate to being a 5th column.

Do you actually think the people of Pennsylvania voted for Biden when they know he'll stop fracking as soon as possible? How did a "drop" of 200,000 "found" ballots not contain any votes for Trump. Really? Do you believe that? Is it even close to being statistically possible? I have a bridge for sale (New York joke)
Do you actually think the people of Michigan voted for Biden when they know he'll undo Trump's trade treaties as soon as possible and get back to the business of outsourcing American jobs?
Do you actually think that if Trump got record increases in votes from blacks, Hispanics, and women, he lost enough white men to offset that?
Do you actually think that Facebook and Twitter will ever allow dissent to rear its ugly head? They are now the arbiters of "truth" and there will be no disagreement tolerated. They actively block posts from conservatives and YOU are OK with that?
 
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Do you actually think the people of Pennsylvania voted for Biden when they know he'll stop fracking as soon as possible? How did a "drop" of 200,000 "found" ballots not contain any votes for Trump. Really? Do you believe that? Is it even close to being statistically possible? I have a bridge for sale (New York joke)
Do you actually think the people of Michigan voted for Biden when they know he'll undo Trump's trade treaties as soon as possible and get back to the business of outsourcing American jobs?
Do you actually think that if Trump got record increases in votes from blacks, Hispanics, and women, he lost enough white men to offset that?
Do you actually think that Facebook and Twitter will ever allow dissent to rear its ugly head? They are now the arbiters of "truth" and there will be no disagreement tolerated. They actively block posts from conservatives and YOU are OK with that?
Since the top questions I assume are sarcastic and rhetorical, I'll ignore them. But I figured I'd take a crack at the bottom layer.

1. The percentage of votes for both candidates in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have remained pretty consistent with Trump actually gaining on percentage from where they were two days ago where Biden originally showed about 90% of the vote. Trump is still getting votes from the mail in ballots. Who said he wasn't?

2. With the boom in population of people in Detroit, I can believe it.

3. He got record increases in votes, but the entire election also has a record number of voters. You don't actually have to take votes out of one category for that to happen. More people votes in this election than the previous and far more younger generations are voting. Statistically, they are less likely to be Trump supporters.

4. Social media is about as reliant as CNN or Faux News. Screw them all.
 

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And I know nobody asked about Arizona, but maybe in hindsight, it wasn't a good idea to mock John McCain?
 

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