My Country, Your country

[John Big Booty]

... The difference between the two is that the Vietnamese where fleeing from a country where they would be killed if they did not leave. ...

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And what pray tell do think is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, it sure as hell isn't the annual coachman's Picnic.

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Whereas the people from Indonesia are leaving a country where they are safe. I know of no persecution by the Indonesians on this group. If someone has credible evidence of this then I for one would like to see it.

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Once again you fall back on untruths and close your eyes and ears to what is going on around you and demonstrate that you have do little to no research beyond listening to the bile spew forth by Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt et. al.

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Post 93. John is now reverting to swearing and is attempting to bring this debate into an al qaeda conspiracy (or something. Not sure where he wanted to go with that)
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That's an almighty bow you're pulling back there I do apologies if the strong adjectives I used offended you.

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Post #95 John refuses to declare where he is from. His Nationality. One can only guess as to his background.
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Precisely because it has no relevance to this discussion

 

[John Big Booty]

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I will, in closing, ask another question, while not expecting a proper answer.

In your opinion where have I shown myself to be a racist.

I don't believe that I have levelled that accusation against you. Intolerance yes, racialism no. In fact it was you who Godwined the thread with that accusation, and at whom it was directed, on that point I'm still unsure

 

[Dick7Access]

this wasn't the intend of my tread but intreting no the less!!!

 

[ChrisO]

John Big Booty.

Re the link you posted in post #181 namely going on around you

That article is dated Thursday, March 8, 2012 which, due to the almost 5 months which has passed, raises a few questions of validity in my mind.

1. Has ‘The World Today’ repeated the information supplied in that article?
2. Was the information in that article used as the source of a question, by the opposition to the relevant minister, in the parliament?
3. If not, why not?
4. If it was, then what was the minister’s reply?

If the opposition raised the question then the minister must reply in such a way so as not to misinform the house. Hence the validity, or otherwise, of the article quoted would be found in Hansard.

I can not find such an entry by doing a Hansard Search but that may be because I am not searching it correctly.

The search dates on Hansard should be restricted to the starting date of the ‘The World Today’ article running through to the current date.

As I am interested in the minister’s reply, can you please supply the correct search information by which I may verify this subject in Hansard?

Chris.

 

[John Big Booty]

It seems to have gained a fair amount of coverage in the Media, and has certainly been raised in parliament previously so it is not a new issue.

 

[ChrisO]

But nothing which directs us to Hansard which specifically relates to the ‘The World Today’ article dated March 8, 2012.

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The link supplied to the media coverage by the ABC programme ‘Lateline’ titled “Asylum seekers allegedly abused in Indonesia” is dated 08/03/2012 which is the same day as the ‘The World Today’ article. (Day/Month/Year as used by the ABC)

Could it possibly be that ABC ‘Lateline’ programme used the same information as supplied earlier on the same day by ABC ‘The World Today’ programme?

Could it also be that the ABC ‘Lateline’ programme subsequently changed its title from the ABC ‘The World Today’ title:-
“Australia-bound asylum seekers tortured in Indonesia”
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“Asylum seekers allegedly abused in Indonesia”

There is a vast difference between those two titles and they would have been changed for a reason. What was the reason for that editorial change?

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Even the link to the Senate debate, dated Tuesday, 27 October 2009, only refers to “reports have emerged of overcrowding and abuse within Indonesian detention facilities”. But that debate did not even attempt to define the word ’abuse’ let alone to the title of the ‘The World Today’ article dated March 8, 2012 “Australia-bound asylum seekers tortured in Indonesia”

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Again I ask for verification; can it be verified by the minister’s reply in Hansard?

Chris.

 

[RainLover]

And what pray tell do think is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan, it sure as hell isn't the annual coachman's Picnic.

Once again you fall back on untruths and close your eyes and ears to what is going on around you and demonstrate that you have do little to no research beyond listening to the bile spew forth by Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt et. al.

If you read the post correctly, I said that they were leaving either Vietnam or Indonesia. The people in question have already left their homelands and now are in Indonesia. It is Indonesia where they are safe. In Vietnam they were not safe. They were in constant fear of the North Vietnamese who had taken control of the South.

This is a big difference in their degree of peril.

As far as Allan Jones is concerned, I can say that I do not listen to him. He is on Sydney Radio not Brisbane Radio so I can't listen to him even if I wanted to.

I have seen Andrew Bolt on very few occassions.

 

[John Big Booty]

I'm sure that Brisbane has it's own Right wing polemic. I mention Bolt and Jones as two of the better know in this country

 

[RainLover]

I don't believe that I have levelled that accusation against you. Intolerance yes, racialism no. In fact it was you who Godwined the thread with that accusation, and at whom it was directed, on that point I'm still unsure

Are you sure you wanted to use the word "Goodwin". (You typed God not Good which I assume was a typo.

If so then I think you are correct. I picked up this meaning from an online Dictionary.

<< Goodwin. Commonly used on internet discussion threads to refer to a debate that has devolved into a flamewar or a pointless and chaotic argument with no redeeming intellectual qualities.>>

It was my attempt to bring the original topic back on line. And it was aimed at everyone who was participating.

 

[Galaxiom]

None so right wing, corrupt and powerful as the late Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen, former Premier of Queensland.

He played a key role in the events that led to the dismissal of the Whitlam Labor Government in 1973 where the Governor General sacked the sitting government after Bjelke-Petersen appointed a crony to a casual Senate position held by the government and effectively blocked supply.

Things got to a new low this last night when the man who accused the former Speaker of homosexual harassment is now being investigated for alleged sexual offences against two fifteen year old boys.

We saw another where a television station put to air a story about sexual accusation of another politician by a prostitute. She later withdrew the allegations and apologised as a case of mistaken identity. But the damage is done.

I really begin to wonder what to believe. How far we are from the situation in Malaysia where the the leader of the Opposition was repeatedly arrested for homosexual charges every time he started to get political traction?

If Australia is outstanding at anything then it is the long term schoolyard bullying environment of our Parliament. Might reflect our convict beginnings.

Or maybe it is just as bad in the UK? and US?

 

[RainLover]

I'm sure that Brisbane has it's own Right wing polemic. I mention Bolt and Jones as two of the better know in this country

You would have to be correct. We also have our fair share of left wing people here to as you would have wherever you live.

I can handle both because we know who and what they are and what they stand for.

What I can't handle is the Watermelons. You know the type. Green on the outside and Red underneath. These people push their hidden objectives at the expense of the Country as a whole. If anyone needs to be put on a leaking boat it is them.

 

[RainLover]

None so right wing, corrupt and powerful as the late Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen, former Premier of Queensland.

He played a key role in the events that led to the dismissal of the Whitlam Labor Government in 1973 where the Governor General sacked the sitting government after Bjelke-Petersen appointed a crony to a casual Senate position held by the government and effectively blocked supply.

I would really love to debate this subject with you. I could tell you some first hand experiences, like the people I met at those places that did not exist. Sir Joh was not a very well man towards the end of his Premership. He should have resigned.
Some would say that he was a benevolent dictator. Some would also say that Hitler was too.
A benevolent dictatorship can be a good thing provided it is accompanied by the occasional assignation. Hitler got the industries of Germany working which was good. Invading Poland was bad. Very bad. Joh got Queensland moving, but he refused to believe what was going on around him. His association with Terry Lewis was one of the worse.

One thing about Joh has eluded me. If Joh was so corrupt why did he refuse to take Superannuation? This would have been worth about $1,000,000. A lot of money in anyone’s language.
Anyway this is local politics and as such does not belong here. But if you feel like opening another thread we could have one hell of a time.

 

[Fifty2One]

Some people can hardly stay on topic, the rest seem to look for chances to bash someone elses country. sad...

Back to the original intent of the thread - my daughter came back from Maine and had a most excellent time. Only a couple of days at the ocean and the rest of the time doing touristy shopping excursions and sight seeing. They spent two days leasurely traveling there and two days returning and took old highways rather then just zipping past the scenery.
Very interesting on their way back that they happened upon a couple of roadside food stands which were still operating on the honor system. Just a jar to deposit your money and a plate of change in case you only had bills. They brought back a rhubarb-strawberry pie that was most excellent from one of the stands.
Still good to have good neighbors and friendly relations across the border!

this wasn't the intend of my tread but intreting no the less!!!