Are you an atheist? (3 Viewers)

[Mihail]

By reading Brian's post #3431, I remembered one of my teacher (Philosophy) that ask a simple questions (regarding to "all powers", "all skills" etc of the gods).
Has any god the power to suicide ?

 

[Rabbie]

By reading Brian's post #3431, I remembered one of my teacher (Philosophy) that ask a simple questions (regarding to "all powers", "all skills" etc of the gods).
Has any god the power to suicide ?

Any all-powerful God must have the power of suicide. If he/she chooses to use it perhaps the universe ends

 

[Mihail]

So... the god's are not immortals ?

 

[Rabbie]

So... the god's are not immortals ?

Just to clarify. I do not believe in gods, immortal or otherwise but if there was an All-powerful being who created the universe and was immortal I see no reason why he/she could not decide to terminate his/her existence together with the universe. I see no problem with the internal logic of that position but this is only an imaginary being made up by me I can make my own rules

 

[Brianwarnock]

but this is only an imaginary being made up by me I can make my own rules

Sounds like the basics for a religion to me.


Brian

 

[Rabbie]

Sounds like the basics for a religion to me.


Brian

You can be high Priest if you like, Brian

 

[Mihail]

Just to clarify. I do not believe in gods...

I already understand that from your previous posts.

I see no problem with the internal logic of that position but this is only an imaginary being made up by me I can make my own rules

I am a happy man because I can see the very beginning start of a new religion

 

[Bladerunner]

Just to clarify. I do not believe in gods, immortal or otherwise but if there was an All-powerful being who created the universe and was immortal I see no reason why he/she could not decide to terminate his/her existence together with the universe. I see no problem with the internal logic of that position but this is only an imaginary being made up by me I can make my own rules

One more thought for you. Consider the love you have for your family, the one you helped create. You love them enough to do anything to keep them alive. LOVE is the word!

Have a nice day :>)

Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

I already understand that from your previous posts.



I am a happy man because I can see the very beginning start of a new religion

and what fledgling religion is that, pray tell?

Have a nice day:>)

Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

If the answer is YES then our life must be predetermined, we may appear to make choices but they must have been preprogrammed into us.

Saying that he knows what we are going to do but that we have a choice that can change our life is illogical.
I hope that the logic you use in your programs is better.

Brian

Now we getting a little philosophical here aren't we. OK, use the computer. we as programmers design choices for the user. The number of choices range from tens to thousands of choices.

The problem with human beings is that we are not computers. We make a million decisions in one hour (unless we are sleeping). Each thought takes us in the direction of our final destiny. Yes, I would call that being who could pre-program our every thought for a lifetime times billions upon billions of beings throughout the universe "GOD".

Have a nice day :>)


Bladerunner

 

[Bladerunner]

@bladerunner
About your post #3421.
This post is intended to be an answer for me while yo quote my previous post.
Bu it isn't.
My question was:

Your "answer":

So, not the non-believers kill the Christians. The killers are other believers.
What you name non-believers ? The people that are not Christians ?
In my opinion, Ben Laden is a believer. A very true believer. Because he believe that Allah is the God and He (Allah) is the single God. As well as you. The single difference is the god's name.

You say:
Do you remember Christ's words ?
"Give to Cesar what the Cesar own" (not sure about my English, but sure that you understand what I mean). Why the churches activate in the political area ? Why the clerical wish to activate in the political area ? Should I understand that is write, somewhere, in the Bible, something like this : "You, the believers, must take the political power or, if you will fail, you will end up to Hell ?"
I have read the Bible but I can't remember this part. Are you so kind to point me in the right direction ?

Indeed. And this non-believer class don't persecuted the believers. Just ignore they.
What happen when the believers have take the power ?
Inquisition, Giordano Bruno, witches, "et pour se mouve", burns, and the list is open.

Again I must say that you are right (it is easier to move a church than to defeat Christianity), but no logic. The Christianity can't be defeated by destroying one or more churches. But the Russians (and the Romanians too) can save (don't know grammar for the past) a lot of money by using dinamit. But the don't used this. Why ?

????????????? How ?

Any time you reduce the believers to Christians. Why ? There are a lot of other believers. Just they are not Christians. And, like all other believers, say, about all others, that this are non-believers.

Indeed ? Should I understand that you never heard until now about Inquisition ?

Thank you for this. And believe me I wish this for each one from the Terra. I don't care if his god is named Dumnezeu (Romanian language), Zeus, Jupiter, Allah or if he think that is no god in the sky or under the ground.

Seems to me all we are doing here is playing games. Mihail, who do consider on this earth as non-believers?

You said: "In my opinion, Ben Laden is a believer. A very true believer. Because he believe that Allah is the God and He (Allah) is the single God. As well as you. The single difference is the god's name."

Ben Laden was a murderer just like Mohammed as any in history. If you want to call Allah a god, so be it, but he believes in killing or enslaving non-believers. Don't think they are the same gods. Beside, was Mohammed Allah's son?

The rest of your statement I have a hard time following.

Have a nice day:>)

Bladerunner

 

[Mihail]

Originally posted by Bladerunner.

Ben Laden was a murderer just like Mohammed as any in history. If you want to call Allah a god, so be it, but he believes in killing or enslaving non-believers. Don't think they are the same gods. Beside, was Mohammed Allah's son?

I know that my English is not very good but I think (until now) that is understandable. Seems to not be so, let me try again

Ben Laden was a murderer

Agree, but not this is the subject here. The subject is the sens of believer / non-believers words.
So, Ben Laden IS a murderer and he is also a very true believer as I already said.

If you want to call Allah a god...

I "am" orthodox as well as I am Romanian. "They" say me that but no one asked me if I like this, if I agree this etc.
So, in my language the god is named Dumnezeu. I don't know very well in English. I see that you use God, so I assume that this is the name of your god.
But you (the English) use also "gods" for the dead gods of ancient Greek. So, I am confused: why Allah isn't a god, but Zeus, Apollo, Poseidon, Ares, Afrodita, Dyonissos (he's my favorite ) are ?

Don't think they are the same gods

I think that is no god, nowhere, but I don't care that you think that there are 2 gods. As well as I don't care that others think that it is a god for anything (water, air, light, dark and so on).

Beside, was Mohammed Allah's son?

Again, I can't answer to this. While no evidence (I refer to DNA ) I can't answer to this.
I don't know if they have their "Mary", I don't know Allah's preferences (now I speak about women), I don't know if a Moslem women, with a husband, can have a relation with some one else (even with her God) and to not be killed with rocks after that, I don't know a lot of things about the Islam religion.

 

[Galaxiom]

I don't know if [Muslims] have their "Mary".

Yes, they call her Miriam but it would probably depend on what faction you happened to be born into.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Now we getting a little philosophical here aren't we. OK, use the computer. we as programmers design choices for the user. The number of choices range from tens to thousands of choices.

The problem with human beings is that we are not computers. We make a million decisions in one hour (unless we are sleeping). Each thought takes us in the direction of our final destiny. Yes, I would call that being who could pre-program our every thought for a lifetime times billions upon billions of beings throughout the universe "GOD".

Have a nice day :>)


Bladerunner

So you believe that we are preprogrammed , kind of removes the guilt from Stalin, Hitler, serial killers, rapists, etc, etc, so why should they be punished when they die?

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

and what fledgling religion is that, pray tell?

Have a nice day:>)

Bladerunner

Strange that you didn't challenge me when I made the same joke 4 posts earlier.

Brian

 

[Mihail]

As programmer I'll never implement any user "option" if I can calculate the result without his intervention.
Or, at least, I inform the user: Play all your life with my program, but be sure that this will not affect the final result

 

[Brianwarnock]

The rest of your statement I have a hard time following.

Have a nice day:>)

Bladerunner

Not that difficult when put in context.

Keep posting Mihail.

" could have saved" was the past tense you were looking for and dynamite is the spelling you wanted. We say Earth not Terra but that was perfectly clear.

Brian

 

[Mihail]

Thank you very VERY much Brian.

An "ASK" to anyone and to everyone:
Correct me whenever you have the necessary time.
Once, twice, more times.
This will be for me a greater help than if you teach me Access.

Thank you.

 

[David R]

Ben Laden was a murderer just like Mohammed as any in history. If you want to call Allah a god, so be it, but he believes in killing or enslaving non-believers. Don't think they are the same gods. Beside, was Mohammed Allah's son?

Oh please. You're both desert death cults.

The Bible/Torah is chock FULL of murderers who kill in YHWH's name, including YHWH Himself. Jesus you can argue is different, but even he cursed the fig tree for no reason.

 

[Dick7Access]

What would life be like if we able to program it in Access?