Are you an atheist?

Are you an atheist?


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And fear. Fear of death. Fear of the unknown. Comforting lies.

Speaking as a parent of a young child, it would be much easier to answer questions like, "But why is your daddy dead?" with "Because God called him home" than "Everything dies."

Why? It's life. It's nature. There's no need to shelter children from life.

What do you tell them when their dog or cat dies? Doesn't the Bible specifically say that animals don't make it to heaven?
 
Why? It's life. It's nature. There's no need to shelter children from life.

What do you tell them when their dog or cat dies? Doesn't the Bible specifically say that animals don't make it to heaven?

I have been tempted, over the last year, while we are deeply entrenched in the why phase, to go back on my promise to myself and tell her, "Because God, that's why!"

We go through very scientific explanations for everything (two biologist parents. pity her.), but I've been very harshly judged for it. I can definitely see the appeal, if we're talking about he dawning of religion, to create a magic being that is the ultimate why.
 
Hi Rabbie: Hope your day is progressing well.

It seems like we have been over and over the Bible and God so I will not rehash it here. However, I made a statement that Atheism is a religion. I guess there several good definitions of a religion but here is one that really takes the cake:

The IRS has specific requirements for what is and is not a religion.

The IRS criteria are:

a distinct legal existence,

a recognized creed and form of worship,

a definite and distinct ecclesiastical government,

a formal code of doctrine and discipline

a distinct religious history,

a membership not associated with any other church or denomination,

an organization of ordained ministers,

ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed studies,

a literature of its own,

established places of worship,

regular congregations,

regular religious services,

Sunday schools for religious instruction of the young,

school for the preparation of its ministers.


the article that I cut this list from goes into the logic and history behind how we define what is and is not a religion at greater depth

Atheism would fulfill the following criteria:

NONE


Live everyday as if it were your last!,,,, You never know

Have a great day :>)
Bladerunner
 
Where did you get those requirements. They are VERY far from the truth of what the IRS recognizes as a religion. Heck, even the Church of Body Modification is recognized as a religion by the IRS.

And IRS recognition of a religion in no way defines a religion as existing as one. Who are they to dictate it?
 
4000+ posts and I doubt anybody has changed their opinions on the subject :)
 
come on Brian give me clue.

Way back I think post 3991 I asked you

Let us assume that we have a soul, what form does it take. Artists always depict human figures burning in hell or sitting in paradise, are they correct? Will we be recognisable , what will we actually do in paradise?

You refused to say anything on the subject to an atheist, I'm an agnostic BTW

Brian
 
Way back I think post 3991 I asked you



You refused to say anything on the subject to an atheist, I'm an agnostic BTW

Brian
Ok, Brian now I get it. I guess I didn't go back far enough. There are some answers to your question, but here is the preface. Will you take my answer from the Bible as the obsolete truth. If the answer is no, I would be wasting my time and your time. As mention many times on this thread and other threads, by both Bible bangers, atheist, and agnostics, you can't prove God et al, by logic. That s why I spend my time and resources with people who believe there is a God and the Bible is the word of God. Now I would like to know what is your logic for me spending my time arguing with an atheist about anything?
 
I'm not asking for an argument, I'm asking what form does a soul take, and what is heaven, we have been told what happens when we go to hell but not heaven. It seems to be a simple question. I'm not going to argue or denigrate you, but I know you hope to be in paradise with your God, but what happens there, how will you spend eternity?

Brian
 
I'm not asking for an argument, I'm asking what form does a soul take, and what is heaven, we have been told what happens when we go to hell but not heaven. It seems to be a simple question. I'm not going to argue or denigrate you, but I know you hope to be in paradise with your God, but what happens there, how will you spend eternity?

Brian

Brian,
It's against my better judgement but I am going to answer you. I did a short paper on Heaven but the dog ate it. Oh! that's right that didn't work in high school either. Just kidding of course, bu it is lost some place on my computer so I will have to re-research it and re-write it. That's a goood thing, however, as I might need it down the road, but it will take me a little while as there are over 270 verse in the NT alone.
 
As a young man I began my career working in a hospital setting doing everything that needed to be done. During this time I have seen countless deaths. Of these deaths of course children are the hardest to take. When your holding an infant that is dying or has just died, you ask yourself-WHY.......... there is no answer forthcoming.................bare with me..... these memories have been locked away so I could sleep at night but I thought they might help someone here in this thread...........the only way you can keep your sanity is to believe that a higher power has a purpose in all of this. I have seen bad people die. While they were dying most of them simply stared ahead with a look of horror in their eyes as if they knew ....... there were others that were fighting death. There was fear in their eyes as the final countdown progressed but just as the very last beats of their heart were at hand, a sort of an amazed look appeared and then the hollow look of death. Something you don't forget, ever...and something you begin to watch for in others as they leave this world behind. Of course there were others, that believed and had no fear but rather a smile on their lips and the look of peace in their eyes as they too took their leave of mankind.

I know the Atheist will say : then why did he let that child die? Someone who had done no harm to anyone! To answer truthfully, I don't know why but again to keep my sanity even to this day and especially right now, I have to believe that there is a God up there with a plan for everyone. While I have never looked for an Atheist that work directly with the patients in a medical facility, I will assume there are very few. WHY? It has to be hard to be compassionate and tell a dying person not to worry, they are going to come back as a bug or something. Or maybe tell them to forget any ideas of heaven or any afterlife.......... you have already had all there is and there is no more.................excuse me ........... but rather tell them that God loves them, that they are going to a better place.... ......... How can you hold any ones hand much less a loved ones hand and tell them you will never see them again, there is no heaven, no hell, no nothing..................So as an Athiest might do: YOU LIE?......No, I could not do that thus I can not be an Athiest. You see in those that truly believe, it is not what is written in the bible, nor is it what is heard from a preacher or surmised by scientist in their endeavor to prove their Atheism is real but rather the belief comes from somewhere down deep........so deep in your soul that you know it is true. There is a God who created all, who loves each and every ones of us, who has a plan for our futures, a God that only asks us to hold him in our hearts and love him. Only then can you have that peace I saw in death so many times.

Of course, there was another category of death that came to us more often than not and it was caused by violence; accidents, murders by all kinds of weapons including those that were simply beaten to death. Of all the violent deaths, some of those that were murdered or beaten to death probably had time to ask for his forgiveness. For those in an accident where death was instant, unless they were a young child or someone who was ignorant of the word of God, all is lost and yes, as someone once said and I paraphrase; 'Be very careful what you ask for'.

There are many people who have seen the other side and returned to tell others. Are these scams? the skeptic and of course the athiest would say yes, but when a 3 year child dies and comes back with stories of seeing a grandfather whom he had never meet, yet he knew him instantly, well...

In an earlier post, I wrote about the experience I had in a dream one night about 6 years ago now. Yes, I still see it as vivid as it was the morning after. Not running over old ground, the person I spoke with in the dream gave me a Gold watch. For two years, I wondered two things, when was the appropriate time to tell my ailing father "not to worry that it was wonderful on the other side" and why had he given me the Gold watch. In all the time that we (my father and I) had worked with these Doctors none of them had given either me nor my father a gold watch. Shortly after my fathers passing, I told the doctor son and his wife about the dream without mentioning the Gold watch. While the son tried hard to believe me; his wife, you could tell, thought I had lost it. I then stated that I just could not understand why he gave me a Gold watch in the dream. He had never given me nor my father one during his lifetime on earth. Both the son and his wife look at me in disbelief and............excuse me...........both came to tears.................After a minute or two, the son told me that his father had given him a gold watch not nine months before his death some 2-3 years before my fathers death. His wife had seen the transaction since it was a birthday gift from a father to the son.............. Finally, all the pieces fit together. The vision had been real, for I only had contact with the son occasionally and had not known he had received a gold watch. I was supposed to tell him where his father was!

In short, Brian to answer your question about where we are going to after death is a place that in the doctors words is "wonderful". Yes, they knew me and I could see them, they had the same faces although they were without a body form. It makes me wonder about our soul and that little electrical spark that is generated about every second or so in order to coerce our hearts into beating one more time or that little spark that courses through our brain 24/7. Could they be the same! you decide

And all you other Atheist out there. you can spew out facts and figures all you want but for those that truly believe, they do not matter. We are not really looking to find anything, we already know he is there, deep down in our soul he is there.

Good night to all
 
Bladerunner

Thank you for your post, although it did not directly answer my question

I also believe that belief must come from inside, that is why it is difficult to ignore the possibility of a higher power, it's just that religion kinda gets in the way.

Brian
 
I have known people to have had similar experiences as Blade within the care industry and come to the opposite conclusion.

As we've all experienced on this forum, outlooks are rarely changed. I think we tend to interpret our experiences in a way that soothes how we view ourselves.

If we have a positive outlook we assert, for example, that a child's death is inexplicable because omni-benevolence is simply beyond our understanding, for a negative outlook we could assert that the universe is, at it's core, indifferent to our emotional response to it.

As Blade says, the proofs are irrelevant when it comes to getting to sleep at night.
 
The vision had been real, for I only had contact with the son occasionally and had not known he had received a gold watch. I was supposed to tell him where his father was!

You may certainly suppose that this is part of some greater purpose but it is just that, supposition. The experience fits the perspective you have been conditioned to adopt.

Meanwhile you simply ignore the much larger body of experience which makes no sense to that perspective such as why your god lets the innocent die.

It is called "confirmation bias" and is well understood by science.

And all you other Atheist out there. you can spew out facts and figures all you want but for those that truly believe, they do not matter. We are not really looking to find anything, we already know he is there, deep down in our soul he is there.

You "know" it is there because you were indoctrinated as a child.

That is fine for you and other believers. However what needs to be understood is that it is a matter of faith and faith has no place in science.

I have no problem with the faithful living by their own delusions. What I do object to is the faithful assuming their prejudices belong as the basis for public policy.
 
By the way I've been researching Windows Azure all this week and now I return to this site and am bombarded with Windows Azure ads. Talk about preaching to the choir :p
 
Hi Rabbie: Hope your day is progressing well.

It seems like we have been over and over the Bible and God so I will not rehash it here. However, I made a statement that Atheism is a religion. I guess there several good definitions of a religion but here is one that really takes the cake:

The IRS has specific requirements for what is and is not a religion.

The IRS criteria are:

a distinct legal existence,

a recognized creed and form of worship,

a definite and distinct ecclesiastical government,

a formal code of doctrine and discipline

a distinct religious history,

a membership not associated with any other church or denomination,

an organization of ordained ministers,

ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed studies,

a literature of its own,

established places of worship,

regular congregations,

regular religious services,

Sunday schools for religious instruction of the young,

school for the preparation of its ministers.


the article that I cut this list from goes into the logic and history behind how we define what is and is not a religion at greater depth

Atheism would fulfill the following criteria:

NONE


Live everyday as if it were your last!,,,, You never know

Have a great day :>)
Bladerunner

I have consistently argued in this thread that atheism is not a religion. I do not feel I have a religion.

IMO an atheist is anyone who does not believe in supernatural beings.
 

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