How many genders are there?

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https://archbishopcranmer.com/teacher-throws-student-out-of-class-for-insisting-there-are-two-sexes/

I’m a bit confused—I’ve always thought there were only two genders. Is this simply a misunderstanding about how the term gender is being used?

From watching Dr. Jordan B. Peterson, I gather there are dozens of pronouns—perhaps 70 or more—that people can choose to describe their identity. I’ve heard of “zee” and “zer,” but there seem to be countless others.

I understand why the gender issue has brought this video into the spotlight. Still, I think the core problem lies in the clash between the student and the teacher. The student comes across as stubborn and disruptive in class, and that seems to be the real reason for the exclusion.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

First, Uncle G, I agree that part of the problem in the article is a disruptive student.

There are fundamentalist groups that would say that there are only two sexes. They will adapt their language if you point out to them that these days, due to multiple meanings of the word sex, we use gender (just as the word "gay" no longer can be used to mean "happy and light-hearted" because it has been adapted for other use).

Where the problem comes in is that gender (in the physiological sense) and gender identity are distinct and can differ. Further, there are cases where children are born with variant chromosome situations or reproductive structures where there is a lack of clarity as to which way the child will go. And it appears that the brain can have more than just two different configurations, which makes one wonder about various brain-body combinations.

regarding physical brain differences including structural differences:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/111663.php

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex/

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...tural-selection-cannot-explain-homosexuality/

Regarding XXY:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

You can search for Klinefelter Syndrome and see behavioral issues as well as physical ones.

The old term "hermaphrodite" comes to mind here. It is a non-scientific term that is yet another physical condition clouding the picture of sexual variation.

http://www.isna.org/faq/what_is_intersex

How many genders are there? The fact is that two genders are not enough even when you limit yourself to physiology since there IS such a thing as the brain and the body being in disagreement. When the wiring and the plumbing disagree, you have either a homosexual or a bisexual. When that happens, the language requires either some special word (usually taken as a pejorative) or you have to use a descriptive phrase. Therefore I cannot tell you how many genders there really are, but there exists a spectrum of behaviors for which the extremes of the spectrum are "traditional male" and "traditional female."

The articles I posted regarding brain structure represent findings using brain scans on homosexual people. The fact that the brain scans can detect the situation very strongly suggests something else: Brain structure is fixed during gestation; therefore, homosexuals are born that way. (Do I hear Lady Gaga singing in the background?)

 

[Vassago]

Sexuality, genetic chromosomes, and gender and not the same thing and are not mutually exclusive.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

That non-exclusive nature is exactly what makes this question so hard to answer.

 

[Deleted member 147267]

Your question implies that the concept of gender is somehow exclusive to the human race, which I would offer is not the case. There are several examples of life that are neither one or the other, or are both at the same time.

 

[Mark_]

Just to confuse things, Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome means that your can have a normal XY pair but be female in all other respects.

 

[Galaxiom]

Well, I don't really know what to think. However my instinct is that there are two genders, and that's how I see people.

Instincts often lead to mistaken conclusions.

 

[Isaac]

Instincts often lead to mistaken conclusions.

And mistaken ideas or conclusions often lead to twisted instincts, as is the case with most violent crime.

 

[kevlray]

The last time I checked, the rest of the animal kingdom has a maximum of two genders (sometimes they can change their gender during their lifetime, but still a maximum of two).

 

[oleronesoftwares]

The last time I checked, the rest of the animal kingdom has a maximum of two genders (sometimes they can change their gender during their lifetime, but still a maximum of two).

One of the wisest statements I have heard or read on this topic anywhere.

 

[Isaac]

Yeah, vivEK really sums it up pretty easily. It's obviously a disorder and let's not encourage and try to instigate more of it as the last year has proved to everyone that it is clearly 99% of the time of direct results of tick tock and other environmental influences.

As to the supporters of it, have none of them actually had kids? Given the fact that they lean progressive, the answer is likely most of them actually have not. Kids will do absolutely anything that they think makes them cool. Right now. The coolest thing you can be is TG

The other day I read a study about a person who was noticing how the video started to get promoted in a rack up views. As soon as someone came out. That's powerful on the emotions and basically like a drug to a young person.

 

[Isaac]

Click Bait and switch!

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Yes I always say it's a worldview so full of contradictions it eats itself

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Yeah, vivEK really sums it up pretty easily. It's obviously a disorder and let's not encourage and try to instigate more of it as the last year has proved to everyone that it is clearly 99% of the time of direct results of tick tock and other environmental influences.

As to the supporters of it, have none of them actually had kids? Given the fact that they lean progressive, the answer is likely most of them actually have not. Kids will do absolutely anything that they think makes them cool. Right now. The coolest thing you can be is TG

The other day I read a study about a person who was noticing how the video started to get promoted in a rack up views. As soon as someone came out. That's powerful on the emotions and basically like a drug to a young person.

Isaac, you posted this but I am reacting to the linked video clip, not to you.

Vivek sums it up on the basis of XX/XY chromosome pairs and HE'S WRONG. I have posted links to research that CLEARLY demonstrates that there is more to it than XX/XY chromosomes. The word "disorder" is sometimes generic, sometimes not - but in this context it is used disparagingly. Is "left-handed" a disorder? I simply cannot tolerate people making ignorant comments like Vivek did. He CLAIMS (incorrectly) that DSM-5 calls it a disorder.

https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis

In this link,

With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments) rather than on transgender individuals or identities themselves.

The presence of gender variance is not the pathology but dysphoria is from the distress caused by the body and mind not aligning and/or societal marginalization of gender-variant people.

The DSM–5 articulates explicitly that “gender non-conformity is not in itself a mental disorder.”

The LAST thing we need is for people to outright LIE about gender dysphoria. Yes, I am sensitive to this because I have many gay friends and a gay step-daughter. I have seen from close quarters what it is like when closed-minded hatred impinges on the lives of some of the kindest, gentlest people I know. And to be fair, I have also known some gay idiots who needed a good thrashing. Because first and foremost, gay people are PEOPLE just like you and me except they happen to have a different pattern of love life. The main problem is IGNORANCE regarding the effects of imposing YOUR expectations on someone else's life when what they were doing wasn't actually harmful to you, other than to outrage your precious little world-image of how people should behave.

 

[Isaac]

@The_Doc_Man

We're not actively trying to encourage kids to be gay or transgender, right??

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[Isaac]

Isaac, you posted this but I am reacting to the linked video clip, not to you.

Vivek sums it up on the basis of XX/XY chromosome pairs and HE'S WRONG. I have posted links to research that CLEARLY demonstrates that there is more to it than XX/XY chromosomes. The word "disorder" is sometimes generic, sometimes not - but in this context it is used disparagingly. Is "left-handed" a disorder? I simply cannot tolerate people making ignorant comments like Vivek did. He CLAIMS (incorrectly) that DSM-5 calls it a disorder.

https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis

In this link,







The LAST thing we need is for people to outright LIE about gender dysphoria. Yes, I am sensitive to this because I have many gay friends and a gay step-daughter. I have seen from close quarters what it is like when closed-minded hatred impinges on the lives of some of the kindest, gentlest people I know. And to be fair, I have also known some gay idiots who needed a good thrashing. Because first and foremost, gay people are PEOPLE just like you and me except they happen to have a different pattern of love life. The main problem is IGNORANCE regarding the effects of imposing YOUR expectations on someone else's life when what they were doing wasn't actually harmful to you, other than to outrage your precious little world-image of how people should behave.

Simply being unhappy with you gender is not a disorder, but running around breathlessly DEMANDING that everyone affirm your belief that you actually are another gender is definitely not normal, and certainly we should not be promoting more and more young people to test out this sad experiment. Which is precisely what's happening.

Stay away from kids with anything sexual - anything, period!

 

[Isaac]

Isaac, you posted this but I am reacting to the linked video clip, not to you.

Vivek sums it up on the basis of XX/XY chromosome pairs and HE'S WRONG. I have posted links to research that CLEARLY demonstrates that there is more to it than XX/XY chromosomes. The word "disorder" is sometimes generic, sometimes not - but in this context it is used disparagingly. Is "left-handed" a disorder? I simply cannot tolerate people making ignorant comments like Vivek did. He CLAIMS (incorrectly) that DSM-5 calls it a disorder.

https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis

In this link,







The LAST thing we need is for people to outright LIE about gender dysphoria. Yes, I am sensitive to this because I have many gay friends and a gay step-daughter. I have seen from close quarters what it is like when closed-minded hatred impinges on the lives of some of the kindest, gentlest people I know. And to be fair, I have also known some gay idiots who needed a good thrashing. Because first and foremost, gay people are PEOPLE just like you and me except they happen to have a different pattern of love life. The main problem is IGNORANCE regarding the effects of imposing YOUR expectations on someone else's life when what they were doing wasn't actually harmful to you, other than to outrage your precious little world-image of how people should behave.

Incorrect.

He says up UNTIL dsm-5.

In other words, for hundreds of years everyone agree, then recently the dsm changed to (magically - just a huge coincidence, right?) coincide with society's wishes.

 

[Isaac]

No matter how many friends you have that have this condition, it DOESN'T MAKE IT OK to try to influence other people's children.
Just stop it.

Anyone who is actively trying to introduce these topics for consideration and influence to little kids is guilty of mental molestation and should be incarcerated. That's the point which you're missing.

We don't care what adults do behind closed doors.

Honestly, the more events I see that provide strong evidence that many people are passionate about actually making sure other people's children are influenced to consider sexual fetishes of all kinds ... I really start to wonder if I missed the boat in my rejecting of QAnon. It is all starting to make sense - how else to you explain droves of people who seem desperate to push sexual fetishes on 8 year olds?? I mean is there another explanation for it? Not really..

 

[The_Doc_Man]

You took a leap, Isaac, and I will call you down on specifics. I don't want to influence other people's children to be anything they aren't. UNLESS what they are is "filled with hate instilled by their parents." That is, to me, intolerable and shameful. Whatever happened to "Love they neighbor as thyself"? Does THAT no longer have meaning even to Christians? Instilling hatred into little kids is a form of mental molestation in and of itself.

Let's clear some air, here. No, I don't want to influence kids to become gay. Yes, I understand that during puberty, strange things go on inside a developing body. Yes, I think it is irresponsible to do body modification on a juvenile. Are we OK on those statements?

I VERY SPECIFICALLY disagree with Vivek's narrow viewpoint regarding whether there is a gender spectrum, due to the brain structure variations I have posted about in other places. His attitude is the subtle kind of hatred that comes about when people disapprove of you simply because you are who you are.

Did you learn nothing from history regarding the Civil Rights movement of activism that revved up in the 1960s? Do you want to chastise blacks or Asians or Hispanics for who they are BEFORE you know of their character? Do you remember how race relations became divisive because Caucasians were slow to open up their attitudes and to be more accepting of other ethnicities? And do you see how our divided country is re-opening that old wound? What we do to blacks, Asians, Caucasians, Native Americans, Hispanics ... these are reflections of our inner character. To mistreat others is to expose our own weaknesses.

OK, there may be a fine line to tread here. But dismissal of another person's pain is probably not the best path to follow, even if you don't know what else to do. I learned a principle when playing tournament bridge a long time ago, but it applies to life as much as it applies to card games: If you don't know what is right to do, don't do what you KNOW to be wrong. Try something else instead.

 

[Isaac]

Child Waves At His Teacher And Principal Acting Out Bondage Scene On Pride Parade Float

WORLDVIEWS·Jun 12, 2023 · BabylonBee.com

KANSAS CITY, MO — An awkward moment arose at the city's annual Pride Parade over the weekend, as one young attendee was seen waving politely to his teacher and school principal as they acted out a kinky bondage scene on a passing parade float.
"Hi, Mr. Jenkins!" shouted Braden Harris, a third-grader at a nearby elementary school. "Oh, and Mr. Hartwell, too! Why are you whipping Mr. Jenkins? Is he wearing handcuffs? Did he do something wrong? And why is he wearing pants that have his bare bottom showing? This is weird."

According to one eyewitness, both Mr. Jenkins and Mr. Hartwell were thrilled to see Braden at the parade. "It was a bit surprising to see how thrilled they were to have seen one of their students in the crowd," said the individual who asked to remain anonymous since he understandably didn't want anyone to know he was at the parade. "It's almost as if they've always wanted the kids at their school to see them doing this and just wanted a way to do it legally."
While it isn't known how young Braden ended up at the parade or if his parents took him there with the intention of exposing him to strongly adult situations, one thing that is certain is that Braden has now seen things he will never be able to unsee. "I would have loved to spend today riding my bike and playing baseball," he said, "but now I know about things I'm far too innocent to learn. Awesome!"
At publishing time, Mr. Jenkins and Mr. Hartwell had reportedly enjoyed the experience so much they were asking the parade float to drive around in front of the houses of other students.

 

[Isaac]

The White House just displayed a new "intersex" weird flag that quite a few people believe is offensive to anyone who doesn't believe in mixing children and sex.

The designer of the flag describes themself as this: "The banner was designed in 2018 by American artist Daniel Quasar, who calls himself or herself a "queer non-binary celestial object having a human experience," and uses xe/xym pronouns, according to the individual's website.

Naked people danced on the white house lawn afterwards. Naked men pretending to be women.

Do you still not think something is wrong right now Doc? What is it going to take? I mean what more could possibly happen for you to finally admit OK, the whole thing's gone way too far? Does Biden need to take off his clothes and sit on a flag pole? This is obviously messed up, a movement is afoot which is up to no good in far too many cases, making a laughingstock out of our country - and a dangerous one at that.