I believe Slavery was an Evolutionary Step...

ColinEssex said:
There was an article about it in the paper. It said that Japanese and Chinese families tend to all live in one house with grandparents and aunties and uncles, so with limited income it can be difficult. So the daughter comes to the UK (or wherever) works as a sex worker, often known as an escort for good money (especially in london) and sends back a high percentage of the money. Usually they say they are working as a waitress or something as their real job would be frowned upon.
Col
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So all your judgement comes from only one article in a paper.

@ColinEssex Let me give you a piece of advice my friend. You may not like it but I think I have to say it.
Be careful what you post on a public forum. Because you may be wrong and it may show how little you know.

There may be thousands or several hundred thousands of Japanese prostitute around the world. But I don't think they send back money home.
  1. Most of us don't meet our aunts, uncles, grand parents or other relatives even once a year. My sons have not seen their uncles for the past 5 years and they have met their aunt only twice in their whole 28 & 26 years. We are very famous around the world as the loneliest families because we build a wall around ourselves and don't let anyone else in, even our parents. My wife has not even seen her parent for the past 3 years. Living with our aunts and parents and ground parents? Seriously? Who told you and how you believed it?

  2. With limited income? You must be out of your mind....I don't know about the rules in AWF and how much I'm allowed to go deep in the night life of our society, but let me tell you this. The girls who work in night clubs are among the richest ones here. A girl with 6 hours daily in one of Tokyo' girls bar, has a monthly income between 30,000 to 80,000 US dollar. And she's not even sleeping with the customer. There are girls with more than $100,000 monthly income. Now you tell me how much a Japanese escort makes in London?
    Search for 東京キャバ女の収入 and read for yourself. Or read this :
    So if you see Japanese prostitute around world, I can assure you it's not for sending money back home. Because they can make much more within the borders than going out.
 
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@KitaYama

I don't know about the rules in AWF and how much I'm allowed to go deep in the night life of our society, but let me tell you this.
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As a moderator, I can tell you that what you said is NOT out of bounds as far as I am concerned. And thank you for a viewpoint from that part of the world as a counterbalance for those of us who only see it from afar.
 
Kit, thank you for your expert opinion on prostitution and escorts, your knowledge is far greater than mine.
Col
 
KitaYama said:
So all your judgement comes from only one article in a paper.

@ColinEssex Let me give you a piece of advice my friend. You may not like it but I think I have to say it.
Be careful what you post on a public forum. Because you may be wrong and it may show how little you know.
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I disagree here. Why should someone be careful to post something on a forum ?
We all can be wrong at one point or even not know everything like it is in reality.
But that is why on a forum, you can explain your own point of view on stuff.

And yes, we do have to rely on papers or articles released in our country. If those are wrong, how does that reflect on how little someone knows ?
 
Grumm said:
I disagree here. Why should someone be careful to post something on a forum ?
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Well, we normally check what we are told, what is right and what is wrong before spreading something.
If you don't, it's your choice. You can believe whatever you are fed. Maybe papers in your country are reliable. (which in this particular case they weren't)

Many of us know papers are looking for headlines to sell more and God knows how much of what they sell are wrong or biased. Apparently you have never heard about fake news. Or if you have, it seems it's OK for you to spread what MAY be wrong. (before checking it)

Grumm said:
If those are wrong, how does that reflect on how little someone knows ?
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If you write some nonsense as pure facts , and someone who knows the situation read your post, it shows how little you know. Doesn't it?

Again, it's your choice. You can ignore what I said above and post whatever you read in papers. It seems being right or wrong doesn't count.
 
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KitaYama said:
Well, we normally check what we are told, what is right and what is wrong before spreading something.
If you don't, it's your choice. You can believe whatever you are fed. Maybe papers in your country are reliable. (which in this particular case they weren't)

Many of us know papers are looking for headlines to sell more and God knows how much of what they sell are wrong or biased. Apparently you have never heard about fake news. Or if you have, it seems it's OK for you to spread what MAY be wrong. (before checking it)


If you write some nonsense as pure facts , and someone who knows the situation read your post, it shows how little you know. Doesn't it?

Again, it's your choice. You can ignore what I said above and post whatever you read in papers. It seems being right or wrong doesn't count.
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I think you missed the point.
What I wanted to tell is to give people the benefit of the doubt before actually warning and giving advice.

It is possible that @ColinEssex didn't know the true facts or whatever. And you can explain why or what.
'Be careful what you post on a public forum.' So because of that, he isn't allowed to give arguments on the subject ?
 
Grumm said:
I think you missed the point.
What I wanted to tell is to give people the benefit of the doubt before actually warning and giving advice.

It is possible that @ColinEssex didn't know the true facts or whatever. And you can explain why or what.
'Be careful what you post on a public forum.' So because of that, he isn't allowed to give arguments on the subject ?
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@ColinEssex my apologies for giving advice and asking to check if what you're going to post is correct or not.
 
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@ColinEssex my apologies for giving advice and asking to check if what you're going to post is correct or not.
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Look, I read the article in a magazine in a doctors waiting room maybe 3 or 4 years ago, it's a throwaway article just to pass the half hour or more wait to see a doctor, personally I couldn't care less what Japanese or Chinese prostitutes get up to, you seem to be the expert.
Also, over the 22 odd years I've been posting here, I've had countless warnings and been banned several times, your warning is tame but add it to the list. If I or anyone here checked up on every time they posted it would mean all day checking, then how do you know what's true? If I wanted to check on Japanese or Chinese hookers I would have to visit quite a few to obtain a fair selection, hmmmmm.
Col
 
In order to prevent this discussion from spiraling out of control, I am going to close it temporarily pending resolution of a complaint. If/when the complaint is resolved, it might become possible to re-open the thread.
 
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Uncle Gizmo said:
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I must say, he explains it very well.

Many factors, including the prevailiing culture at the time sets the tone for what people believe. For example, what religious beliefs you have are largely determined by where you were born. If you live in Pakistan, it is very unlikely you would be a Christian today. So here is an example of Location => Belief.

Code: 
If Location=Pakistan Then Belief=Islam
Else Belief=Christian
End If

To say you would have acted differently if you were born into a different era is akin to saying you would have invented the wheel back in the day since it was "obvious". But looking back makes everything seem obvious.

These criticisms of previous generations are like a form of self-aggrandisement. Sanctimonious takes on people from another time is pure narcissism.
 
Jon said:
I must say, he explains it very well.

Many factors, including the prevailiing culture at the time sets the tone for what people believe. For example, what religious beliefs you have are largely determined by where you were born. If you live in Pakistan, it is very unlikely you would be a Christian today. So here is an example of Location => Belief.

Code: 
If Location=Pakistan Then Belief=Islam
Else Belief=Christian
End If
To say you would have acted differently if you were born into a different era is akin to saying you would have invented the wheel back in the day since it was "obvious". But looking back makes everything seem obvious.

These criticisms of previous generations are like a form of self-aggrandisement. Sanctimonious takes on people from another time is pure narcissism.
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I must suggest a few additional ElseIfs in there....

Code: 
If Location=Pakistan Then
    Belief=Islam
ElseIf Location = WesternEurope  Or Location = SouthAmerica Or Location = NorthAmerica Then
     Belief=Christian
ElseIf Location = SouthEastAsia Then
     Belief = Buddhist
ElseIf Location = India Then
     Belief = Hindu
Else
     Belief = Something Else
End If

And of course, there are variations within all of those. Real life is a lot less disciplined than coding.
 
GPGeorge said:
I must suggest a few additional ElseIfs in there....

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And of course, there are variations within all of those. Real life is a lot less disciplined than coding.
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That is imo not really true.
Yes, there are a lot of variations, but they are still based on where you are born.
Our brain is like machine learning. Any input at early stages can have a great impact later.

If you tell a baby from the moment that it is born that red is called 'green', the baby will learn that and other people will call him stupid or dyslectic or is autistic. But for that child, it is reality. So who is correct ? what is right and what not ?
 
Grumm said:
That is imo not really true.
Yes, there are a lot of variations, but they are still based on where you are born.
Our brain is like machine learning. Any input at early stages can have a great impact later.

If you tell a baby from the moment that it is born that red is called 'green', the baby will learn that and other people will call him stupid or dyslectic or is autistic. But for that child, it is reality. So who is correct ? what is right and what not ?
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Based on where you were born? Seriously? That kind of over generalization is what leads to stereotyping and the consequences of that.

I know, directly or indirectly, Christians who were born in Japan and Korea and China. I know, directly or indirectly, Muslims born in the U.S. and Canada. And on and on it goes. Trying to tie birth place to religion is a lazy way to avoid dealing with the realities of human existence and flexibility.

Your argument about colors actually proves my point. "If you tell a baby...." That's the parents and extended family influencing the child, not the ground they learn to walk on. PEOPLE determine philosophies. While it is true that different beliefs predominate in different regions of the world, it is simply not true to claim that means everyone born in Caracas is destined to be Catholic. It's not that simple.
 
GPGeorge said:
Based on where you were born? Seriously? That kind of over generalization is what leads to stereotyping and the consequences of that.

I know, directly or indirectly, Christians who were born in Japan and Korea and China. I know, directly or indirectly, Muslims born in the U.S. and Canada. And on and on it goes. Trying to tie birth place to religion is a lazy way to avoid dealing with the realities of human existence and flexibility.

Your argument about colors actually proves my point. "If you tell a baby...." That's the parents and extended family influencing the child, not the ground they learn to walk on. PEOPLE determine philosophies. While it is true that different beliefs predominate in different regions of the world, it is simply not true to claim that means everyone born in Caracas is destined to be Catholic. It's not that simple.
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My bad. That was what I mean by 'where you are born'.
If you where born in some indian family, or somewhere in japan, your choices will be different.
And maybe it is bad to lead to stereotyping, but that is the unlucky outcome. Belgium is also stereotyped as 'beer drinking people' and yes, most here drink beer. Does that mean it is bad ?
 
As the code evolves, we add...

Code: 
If God=False Then Belief=Atheist
Else Question="Which God is True?"
 
Grumm said:
If you tell a baby from the moment that it is born that red is called 'green', the baby will learn that and other people will call him stupid or dyslectic or is autistic.
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Which leads to a discussion I had with a teacher who said that dyslexia was the result of kids seeing letters backwards. But the relevant point is that if the kid has never seen them forwards, then the argument vanishes. (Recent studies have determined that dyslexia is actually an auditory problem in that the dyslexic kids hear different pitches at different rates.)

I'll make a limited admission. When I was a kid, I was a bit of a racist because my dad was a staunch racist. But Mom persuaded me to not generalize so much. Then when I went to college and met a bunch of people from a bunch of different cultures, I recognized my father's flaws in full. He and I had a LOT of discussions about race afterwards. We also discussed the issues of gay vs. straight and we had a few political discussions. In that time, I learned to see other sides of issues, the ability to alternate my attention from one point to another. I began to see, to realize, the difference between nature and nurture. And I began to lose those ancient hatreds that propagate through nurture more than through nature. Yes, our saurian ancestors were territorial and drove off "strangers" as a survival tactic. But we CAN outgrow that. The trick in resolving any problem is to first recognize it.
 
Jon said:
As the code evolves, we add...

Code: 
If God=False Then Belief=Atheist
Else Question="Which God is True?"
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Brilliant.
 
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