When does the winning start?

[AccessBlaster]

They are now releasing redacted material that had previously been released unredacted. Pam Bondi is now blaming the FBI.

 

[Isaac]

that Epstein list is just a political bomb. especially since he hobnobbed with people for all sorts of reasons, but politicians and famous and rich people whose names are bound to end up somewhere (whether they liked 16 yr olds or not) are scared the public will just hear "Epstein" and "Senator Graham" [for instance], in the same sentence. I think even the 'good guys' are scared of that

 

[AccessBlaster]

Well, it is the FBI that was supposed to give her "all" the files and they didn't. I guess you thing she was supposed to know what those files would be before she "didn't" get them

She said the files were on her desk, I assumed they were....

 

[Isaac]

All I know is, THIS is my secretary of homeland security!

Ok, ok, I'm just havin' some fun here guys. Every red-blooded man on this forum has cause to Like this post

Good job Trump, now do Mace or Boebert

 

[AccessBlaster]

It's no-one's been arrested o'clock again.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

employees were ratting each other

Why did I get a sudden image of a sinking ship?

 

[AccessBlaster]

And she thought she had what she requested.

My guess is that the FBI or CIA was using Jeffrey in a honeypot blackmail operation. If they release the unredacted videos, photos, and documentation, they lose their ability to coerce (blackmail) those individuals. In other words, the perpetrators are more valuable to the government as assets than they are serving time in jail for sex crimes. Then again, I could be wrong.

 

[Mike Krailo]

My guess is that the FBI or CIA was using Jeffrey in a honeypot blackmail operation. If they release the unredacted videos, photos, and documentation, they lose their ability to coerce (blackmail) those individuals. In other words, the perpetrators are more valuable to the government as assets than they are serving time in jail for sex crimes. Then again, I could be wrong.

That's fine against foreign adversaries, but not against US citizenry. If they are doing that, it needs to be exposed big time. Plus this isn't just sex crimes, it's crimes against underage children. The folks who were participating in this need to be outed no matter what.

 

[AccessBlaster]

That's fine against foreign adversaries, but not against US citizenry. If they are doing that, it needs to be exposed big time. Plus this isn't just sex crimes, it's crimes against underage children. The folks who were participating in this need to be outed no matter what.

It's just my feeble attempt at trying to understand why they wouldn't release the evidence. Maybe I need to put the spy novels down for a while.

 

[AccessBlaster]

If this was a honeypot scheme being run by the government, then THOSE people also need to be prosected for committing sex crimes against children. There are simply things WE DO NOT DO and abusing children is one of them

The fall guy is dead, end of the trail.

 

[Isaac]

If this was a honeypot scheme being run by the government, then THOSE people also need to be prosected for committing sex crimes against children. There are simply things WE DO NOT DO and abusing children is one of them

And that goes for physically as well as mentally. I've heard a lot of stories in the past couple years of school districts and authors and event planners that should be in prison for mentally molesting kids.

 

[AccessBlaster]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1896667857762865656

 

[The_Doc_Man]

If those documents are available redacted on-line, the question is whether the original unredacted documents still exist. One thought that comes to mind is whether the initial release by the FBI was a feint to give them time to destroy the unredacted files. (Which, if proven to have occurred, is a violation of the Public Records Act.)

 

[Mike Krailo]

Assuming all of the unredacted pages are available, my understanding is that they have to carefully consider all of the redactions for legitimate reasons before unmasking them. That takes time and after considering the reasons behind the redactions, it still might be found that they must remain redacted. So my guess is we keep getting them in batches. Going to have to be patient on this. It would be very very bad if someone destroyed the originals. I would hope that would be investigated and find those responsible.

 

[moke123]

Do you honestly believe there is only one copy?

Assuming all of the unredacted pages are available, my understanding is that they have to carefully consider all of the redactions for legitimate reasons before unmasking them. That takes time and after considering the reasons behind the redactions, it still might be found that they must remain redacted. So my guess is we keep getting them in batches. Going to have to be patient on this. It would be very very bad if someone destroyed the originals. I would hope that would be investigated and find those responsible.

I would think there is very little that may need to be redacted. Normally they will always redact some, but not all, personal details (addresses, S.S.#, dob, etc.) especially concerning minors and victims. Some Agent info too. These weren't like the Mar a Lago papers which contained top secret info. I wouldn't doubt that there are hundreds of benign 302's that don't contain any juicy details. Given that trump is surely named within those doc's I doubt you'll ever see much. I'm sure trump wouldn't hesitate to release them if they only contained info about Clinton. In fact those may be the only docs you'll see.

 

[Mike Krailo]

Do you honestly believe there is only one copy?


I would think there is very little that may need to be redacted. Normally they will always redact some, but not all, personal details (addresses, S.S.#, dob, etc.) especially concerning minors and victims. Some Agent info too. These weren't like the Mar a Lago papers which contained top secret info. I wouldn't doubt that there are hundreds of benign 302's that don't contain any juicy details. Given that trump is surely named within those doc's I doubt you'll ever see much. I'm sure trump wouldn't hesitate to release them if they only contained info about Clinton. In fact those may be the only docs you'll see.

It's not a given at all that Trump or any other powerful figure for that matter is named in these documents anywhere. That's pure conjecture and remains to be seen. What is clear without knowing the names, is that the whole thing was a blackmail operation against those that had or have power. The word honeypot is the best description of what it is. We can now call it honeypot island. If you went to the island not knowing what was there and were appalled by it, then there isn't anything to be worried about IMO unless there is some other proof that you took the bait. If on the other hand, you went there on multiple occasions, there is a lot of explaining to do for your actions. We don't need to know the names of the children involved. Let that remain secret, just give us the names or evidence of wrong doing by the named individuals.

 

[moke123]

It's not a given at all that Trump or any other powerful figure for that matter is named in these documents anywhere.

Yes it is. There was testimony in Maxwells trial. I don't believe there was testimony of abuse but that wouldn't surprise me as it would be a trial strategy to keep the testimony narrowly tailored to the charges against maxwell.
The agents would have asked the victims about every known person who had visited the island.

Any videos or photos would also never see the light of day due to it being child porn.

 

[AccessBlaster]

This is a list of everyone made public so far, in no particular order.

• Donald Trump – Former U.S. President; associated with Epstein socially in the 1990s and flew on his jet but was not implicated in any crimes.
• Bill Clinton – Former U.S. President; flew on Epstein’s jet multiple times, denied wrongdoing, and was never implicated in Maxwell's trial.
• Ehud Barak – Former Prime Minister of Israel; had business ties with Epstein and was photographed entering his townhouse.
• Bill Richardson – Former Governor of New Mexico; named in legal documents but denied allegations.
• George Mitchell – Former U.S. Senator; named in legal filings but denied allegations.

• Prince Andrew – Duke of York; accused by Virginia Giuffre of sexual abuse (denied the claims and settled the lawsuit).

• Les Wexner – Billionaire, founder of L Brands (Victoria’s Secret); gave Epstein financial power over his assets.
• Leon Black – Billionaire and former Apollo Global Management CEO; paid Epstein millions but denied wrongdoing.
• Glenn Dubin – Hedge fund billionaire and Epstein friend; his family was mentioned in court documents.
• Thomas Pritzker – Hyatt Hotels billionaire; named in legal documents but denied wrongdoing.

• Alan Dershowitz – Harvard law professor, Epstein’s former lawyer; accused by Virginia Giuffre, but he denied it and sued for defamation.
• Ken Starr – Former U.S. solicitor general and Clinton investigator; represented Epstein in legal matters.

• Bill Gates – Microsoft co-founder; met with Epstein after his conviction, later called it a mistake.
• Larry Summers – Former Harvard president and U.S. Treasury Secretary; had ties to Epstein.
• Elon Musk – Mentioned in Epstein’s records, but he denied significant connections.

• Kevin Spacey – Actor; flew on Epstein’s jet and was photographed with Epstein and Prince Andrew.
• Chris Tucker – Actor; flew with Epstein and Bill Clinton on a charity trip to Africa but was not implicated in wrongdoing.
• Les Moonves – Former CBS CEO; had social ties with Epstein.
• Woody Allen – Filmmaker; socialized with Epstein but denied any connection to crimes.

• Jean-Luc Brunel – French modeling agent and Epstein associate; accused of trafficking young women. Died in prison.
• Naomi Campbell – Supermodel; flew on Epstein’s jet but denied any involvement in his activities.

• Jes Staley – Former CEO of Barclays and JPMorgan executive. Staley had a professional relationship with Epstein, and recent investigations have scrutinized the nature of their association.
• José María Aznar – Former Prime Minister of Spain. Aznar's name appeared in Epstein's contact list released by Attorney General Pam Bondi. The inclusion is believed to be due to business relations, with no evidence of inappropriate conduct.
• Alejandro Agag – Spanish businessman and former politician. Agag was also listed in Epstein's contact list, likely due to business connections, without any implication of misconduct.

 

[AccessBlaster]

According to flight logs, Trump took at least one flight on Epstein’s Boeing 727 (Lolita express) in the early 1990s. Reports indicate that the flight was a short trip from Palm Beach, Florida, to Newark, New Jersey, and that Trump was accompanied by other passengers, including his then-wife Marla Maples and their daughter Tiffany Trump.

Trump later distanced himself from Epstein, claiming they had a falling out. Trump’s recorded flight activity is minimal.

Unlike Bill Clinton, whose name appears multiple times in the flight logs. Bill Clinton flew on Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727-200 (Lolita Express) multiple times, with flight logs showing at least 26 documented flights between 2002 and 2003.

Neither one is accused of going to the island. This is why it's important Pam Bondi keeps her word.

 

[moke123]

Neither one is accused of going to the island. This is why it's important Pam Bondi keeps her word.

I agree but I think your thinking about this too narrowly. Epstein had places all over, not just the Island. The flight logs are only a tiny piece.
There were hard drives and CD's found in his nyc mansion. Thousands pass by there everyday. No flight logs required. He also had places in West Palm, New Mexico, and France.