Trump Administration Predictions (1 Viewer)

[Pat Hartman]

We elect "representatives" to serve in Congress to protect us from others who would use their power to disadvantage us. Mostly, they take care of themselves.

 

[Thales750]

Agreed. There used to be many African Americans working in the trades, painters, drywallers, carpenters, and so on. But over time, they've largely been replaced by people willing to work for less. We’re often told that migrants are doing the jobs Americans won’t, but the truth is, we’ve been outbid by what amounts to slave wages. After a few years, many of these workers join unions, wages go up, and the cycle repeats: rising costs lead someone to claim we need a new wave of cheap labor.

What do you know about construction? How many Mexicans do you know? How much does a good laborer or a tradesman make in our economy?

You are repeating what conservative news media says about it, whet people like Pat spew out. This is not a slave labor issue. Economic Slavery is is at Walmart, not in American Construction. Latinos outwork most indigenous people across the board,

It's attitude and skills that get them their jobs. Not cheep labor.

 

[Thales750]

it's not a stupid law, it's a smart law. I don't want a foreign country to buy up American real estate

Why not? It's been going on since the beginning. How has it hurts us?

 

[Thales750]

The progressive liberal government does this by robbing those who are willing to work for a living, skimming the top to pay the politicians, and giving the dregs to the folks on the dole. The problem with redistributing the proceeds of a "progressive income tax" is that it is zero sum game. Further, it parallels predictions from the laws of thermodynamics. I'll simplify them by using the lyrics from "Scarecrow and the Crows' Song" from The Wiz. In the most basic terms, "You can't win; you can't break even; and you can't get out of the game."

Taxation does not create wealth. It just transfers it. Because there is the overhead of paying the people doing the transference, the taxes don't go entirely to the proposed beneficiaries, so it is analogous to an engine with a frictional component leading to inevitable output losses. I'm not saying "identical to", just "has some striking similarities."

Trump's tariffs are bringing in some money, but more important, they are removing some of the channels whereby we were paying excessive overhead for low-balled imports. If there is ANY similarity between "greasing the gears of the economy" and the laws of Thermodynamics, it is that you get the least loss by reducing the friction of the gears. Back to economic terms, reduce taxes and reduce the overhead. Then the money you generate suffers the least diversion.

I doubt Thomas Jefferson thought about thermodynamic and economic analogs, but he DID say that the government that governs least governs best. The best policy to improve the standard of living is for the government to return SELF-RESPONSIBILITY to the people. Do we need laws? Yes. Do we need as many laws as we have? No. President Trump's rules (actually, his rules on rules) are aligned towards removing the myriad regulations that plague the USA. Don't know if he made it official, but he said he would require removal of 10 old rules for each new rule that any department proposed. I'm good with that.

Every time you speak the more you prove how little you understand how this all works. Trickle down is the bases of the decline of the American Middle Class, and it's champion is Citizens Untied, You are proof of that power.

Economic Multipliers.

Look it up. Taxes aren't about transferring wealth, that is propaganda. Taxes redirect currency circulation. Redistribution of wealth has totally different methods, and all of them are designed to redistribute wealth upward.

You worship that as "the law of the jungle.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Why not? It's been going on since the beginning. How has it hurts us?

As an American, try to find an affordable place to live in Miami that isn't a slum.

Every time you speak the more you prove how little you understand how this all works.

It must be very hard to be you and be totally surrounded by people you consider to be your inferiors.

 

[AccessBlaster]

What do you know about construction? How many Mexicans do you know? How much does a good laborer or a tradesman make in our economy?

You are repeating what conservative news media says about it, whet people like Pat spew out. This is not a slave labor issue. Economic Slavery is is at Walmart, not in American Construction. Latinos outwork most indigenous people across the board,

It's attitude and skills that get them their jobs. Not cheep labor.

I agree they work hard. But the new arrivals, particularly those who are undocumented, undercut second- and third-generation Mexican Americans as well as most other groups. It’s no secret that new arrivals are often willing to work for less.

You want to blur the lines and act like legal status doesn’t matter, but that’s unfair to those who went through the proper process. Coming here and working here is a privilege, not an absolute right.

You’re fighting a losing battle with common sense..

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I have no credibility.

Credibility, like many other reputation-related factors, is earned based on the reliability of your comments and answers. I don't think I need to explain further.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Latinos outwork most indigenous people across the board,

I'm going to PARTIALLY agree with you here. My experience is admittedly anecdotal, not claimed to be generally applicable. After Katrina, the bottom floor of our house needed almost total reconstruction. We had a little over 2 fee of water inside the house (and outside) for 3 weeks. (Chalk that up to government foul-ups related to drainage pumps that got clogged and nobody could get to them to re-prime them.) Once things settled down to clean-up and rebuilding, the contractor we had was able to get legal Mexican workers. They rebuilt the ground floor and did a truly beautiful job. We had a fence replaced (age & dry rot) recently and again, Hispanic workers did the bulk of the work. Our current handy-man has a Hispanic helper. In all three cases, the people in question did good work and at reasonable rates. I don't know about "outworking MOST" of anybody, as that is a hard general comparison to claim. But I welcome the legally present workers gladly.

 

[Thales750]

As an American, try to find an affordable place to live in Miami that isn't a slum.

It must be very hard to be you and be totally surrounded by people you consider to be your inferiors.

I don't consider any one to be my inferior. That is you projecting, as usual. Look at your words, "totally surrounded". Another unequivocable assertion from you. I think you probably don't realize how woven into your voice that is. Let us not forget extrapolation, there is no evidence that I think you or Doc are inferior.
It's something you say to be hateful. It's seems to be easier for you to show contempt than to ever examine your own beliefs.

 

[Thales750]

I agree they work hard. But the new arrivals, particularly those who are undocumented, undercut second- and third-generation Mexican Americans as well as most other groups. It’s no secret that new arrivals are often willing to work for less.

You want to blur the lines and act like legal status doesn’t matter, but that’s unfair to those who went through the proper process. Coming here and working here is a privilege, not an absolute right.

You’re fighting a losing battle with common sense..

You're extrapolating, I expect that from Pat, it's embarrassing when you do it. You should know, actually you do know better.
This whole immigration thing is about power, Thump want's it, and it worked in Germany against the Jews.

This illegal immigration thing has been going on for 50 years, why all of a sudden all the fervor? It's simple, what a great way to indoctrinate your worshipers. Give them someone to hate and it worked in Germany in 1936 against the Jews.

If what he really wanted was to stop immigration overload, he would have proposed new alliance with Mexico and Canada to spread out American wealth to both nations in the form of investment incentives. Then are the Mexican economy grew and diversified the people would stay home, or work here, good from everyone. But hey, we wouldn't want to strike up a agreement with those Commie Dems, now would be.

Maybe you should refrain from claiming common sense, my logic keeps Trumping your common sense on every turn.

 

[Thales750]

Credibility, like many other reputation-related factors, is earned based on the reliability of your comments and answers. I don't think I need to explain further.

Put down the purple cool aid and try some of these cookies, they didn't come in a box.

 

[Thales750]

I'm going to PARTIALLY agree with you here. My experience is admittedly anecdotal, not claimed to be generally applicable. After Katrina, the bottom floor of our house needed almost total reconstruction. We had a little over 2 fee of water inside the house (and outside) for 3 weeks. (Chalk that up to government foul-ups related to drainage pumps that got clogged and nobody could get to them to re-prime them.) Once things settled down to clean-up and rebuilding, the contractor we had was able to get legal Mexican workers. They rebuilt the ground floor and did a truly beautiful job. We had a fence replaced (age & dry rot) recently and again, Hispanic workers did the bulk of the work. Our current handy-man has a Hispanic helper. In all three cases, the people in question did good work and at reasonable rates. I don't know about "outworking MOST" of anybody, as that is a hard general comparison to claim. But I welcome the legally present workers gladly.

Good. I have been around construction for 4 decades, 6.5 if you include the fact that my grandfather built the house I grew up in. Pawpaw built it for my mom and dad as wedding present. His father was a boat builder, we were both.

in the last 4 decades I have seen the workforce shift to mostly away from indigenous workers. White or Black. My statement was not general or anecdotal. The Mexicans, legal or illegal prove the vast share of construction work. They have better work ethics. We pay our workers 20 to 30 per hours for walk on labor. Long term guys even more. They can Black, White, Asian, or Latino, we don't care. And we pay them all the same, accord to their value, not as people, but in terms of low noise and productivity.

 

[Thales750]

Credibility, like many other reputation-related factors, is earned based on the reliability of your comments and answers. I don't think I need to explain further.

The only way you can win is to cheat. I'm sure Pat, Angel and Steve will love this. Blaster might also, but i suspect much of what sounds like mindless dogma, from him, is really a little tongue in cheek.

 

[RogerCooper]

A statement not adequately supported. First, the US labor participation rate is 62.4% which means that approximately 37% of the people who could work are not working for a variety of reasons. Essentially, these non-working people are leaches living off the work of others. Remove the freebies they get. They would then have a choice; starvation or work to buy your food. Next, one can eliminate the minimum wage. Should these non-working people work, we may not need immigrants.

Document your assertion that the immigrants have the employment and educational skills necessary to do the work. Are you going to force all the children of immigrants to get to work immediately? When one reviews the headlines, many of the immigrants are on welfare! They are not contributing to improving our standard of living. Have you made a voluntary increase in your tax obligations to help them out?

Steve R. (retired), why aren't you working? You are part of the 38%.

 

[RogerCooper]

The relatively recent Loper-Bright case overturned the so-called "Chevron Deference" policy that allowed this kind of Executive overreach. It SHOULD be possible for someone to bring a suit against a freshly-made rule but at the moment I don't know of any test cases.

There are number of cases against Trump's illegal tariffs, two of which have already won in lower courts. Such cases are definitely possible.

 

[RogerCooper]

In this case - YES. Your positions are so anti-American, maybe you should go back to wherever your ancestors came from.

You are saying that we should copy stupid laws from other countries. That goes well with Nautical Gent's view that government should not try to improve our standard of living.

You keep on calling yourself a libertarian but you always seem to take anti-liberty positions. Can you explain why Americans should not be able to buy what they want and sell what they want?

 

[NauticalGent]

Nautical Gent's view that government should not try to improve our standard of living.

I gave statement a thumbs down because if I remember correctly, you said it was the government's JOB to do so.

Their job is to ensure they stay out of our way while WE improve our standard of living. It is semantics, I'll agree, but words matter.

 

[RogerCooper]

I gave statement a thumbs down because if I remember correctly, you said it was the government's JOB to do so.

Their job is to ensure they stay out of our way while WE improve our standard of living. It is semantics, I'll agree, but words matter.

It is a bit more than passively staying out of the way. The government needs to create the environment that we can improve our standard of living. The point of government spending is to provide services that we can't effectively procure as individuals or corporations.

 

[NauticalGent]

It is a bit more than passively staying out of the way. The government needs to create the environment that we can improve our standard of living. The point of government spending is to provide services that we can't effectively procure as individuals or corporations.

It is that "line" that gets blurred...

 

[RogerCooper]

It is that "line" that gets blurred...

That can certainly be a problem. For example, air traffic control needs to handle all planes in the sky to be effective, so it can't be handled by private purchase. However, there is no need to run it as a government agency, it can be handled by a non-profit corporation financed by mandatory fees on users and controlled by users. This is the way it is done in Canada and Europe.