Microsoft’s “Premier” Mix-Up: A Tale of Access and Amnesia (1 Viewer)

Uncle Gizmo

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Picture this: it’s 2018, and I’m poking around Microsoft’s help pages when I spot a bold claim on the DoCmd.OpenQuery page [https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/vba/api/access.docmd.openquery]: “UtterAccess is the premier Microsoft Access wiki and help forum.” Premier, eh? I raised an eyebrow, scribbled a post about it [https://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/threads/checking-awf-hit-count.301964/#post-1595536], and—credit where it’s due—Microsoft scrubbed that line faster than you can say “query timeout.” Job done, or so I thought.

Fast forward to 2025, and it turns out Microsoft’s got the memory of a goldfish on a coffee break. That “premier” label? It’s still plastered across their site—take a peek at the DAO Database.OpenRecordset page [https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/o...e-reference/database-openrecordset-method-dao] for Exhibit A. I did a quick Google sleuthing [https://www.google.com/search?q=Utt...QzNzZqMGoxNagCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8] and, blimey, it’s on more pages than I’ve had cups of tea this week. What’s going on, Microsoft?

Now, let’s talk numbers—because who doesn’t love a good stat? Access World Forum (AWF), our little corner of the Access universe, pulls in about 35,000 hits a month [https://www.similarweb.com/website/access-programmers.co.uk/#traffic]. UtterAccess (UA)? Around 7,500 [https://www.similarweb.com/website/utteraccess.com/#traffic]. Solid numbers for both, no doubt—plenty of our mates bounce between the two like it’s an Access pub crawl. But “premier”? That’s a big word, Microsoft. Did UA win a secret popularity contest we weren’t invited to, or is this just a case of copy-paste gone wild?

Don’t get me wrong—UA’s got its charm, and I’m not here to start a forum turf war (I’d lose, I’m terrible at arm wrestling). But when Microsoft slaps “premier” on one site and leaves the rest of us in the footnotes, it’s a bit like calling Clippy the “premier” Office assistant. Bold, but is it true? They fixed one page after my nudge years back, so why’s the rest of their site still singing the same old tune?

Here’s my pitch: let’s nudge Microsoft—professionally, of course, but with a grin. Drop a polite note via their feedback forms: “Lads, UA’s great, but ‘premier’? AWF’s 35K hits say hello. Time for an update?” I’ll kick it off with the DAO page—screenshot pending. Or, if you’re feeling chatty, ping @MicrosoftDocs on X: “Hey, love the Access love, but ‘premier’ UA? Did you mean ‘pretty solid’? Asking for a friend (AWF).” Keep it cheeky, keep it civil.

This isn’t about picking sides—both forums have ace folks solving Access woes daily. It’s about Microsoft getting their story straight before we all start calling our databases “premier” too. Imagine the chaos: “My VBA’s the premier bug-fixer!” “No, my query’s premier!” Let’s save the superlatives for the pub and nudge Microsoft to tidy up their homework.

What say you, AWF crew? Shall we gently rib Microsoft into 2025, or just chuckle and carry on? Drop your thoughts below—I’m off to brew another cuppa and dodge the forum pitchforks!
 
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Picture this: it’s 2018, and I’m poking around Microsoft’s help pages when I spot a bold claim on the DoCmd.OpenQuery page [https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/vba/api/access.docmd.openquery]: “UtterAccess is the premier Microsoft Access wiki and help forum.” Premier, eh? I raised an eyebrow, scribbled a post about it [https://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/threads/checking-awf-hit-count.301964/#post-1595536], and—credit where it’s due—Microsoft scrubbed that line faster than you can say “query timeout.” Job done, or so I thought.

Fast forward to 2025, and it turns out Microsoft’s got the memory of a goldfish on a coffee break. That “premier” label? It’s still plastered across their site—take a peek at the DAO Database.OpenRecordset page [https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/o...e-reference/database-openrecordset-method-dao] for Exhibit A. I did a quick Google sleuthing [https://www.google.com/search?q=Utt...QzNzZqMGoxNagCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8] and, blimey, it’s on more pages than I’ve had cups of tea this week. What’s going on, Microsoft?

Now, let’s talk numbers—because who doesn’t love a good stat? Access World Forum (AWF), our little corner of the Access universe, pulls in about 35,000 hits a month [https://www.similarweb.com/website/access-programmers.co.uk/#traffic]. UtterAccess (UA)? Around 7,500 [https://www.similarweb.com/website/utteraccess.com/#traffic]. Solid numbers for both, no doubt—plenty of our mates bounce between the two like it’s an Access pub crawl. But “premier”? That’s a big word, Microsoft. Did UA win a secret popularity contest we weren’t invited to, or is this just a case of copy-paste gone wild?

Don’t get me wrong—UA’s got its charm, and I’m not here to start a forum turf war (I’d lose, I’m terrible at arm wrestling). But when Microsoft slaps “premier” on one site and leaves the rest of us in the footnotes, it’s a bit like calling Clippy the “premier” Office assistant. Bold, but is it true? They fixed one page after my nudge years back, so why’s the rest of their site still singing the same old tune?

Here’s my pitch: let’s nudge Microsoft—professionally, of course, but with a grin. Drop a polite note via their feedback forms: “Lads, UA’s great, but ‘premier’? AWF’s 35K hits say hello. Time for an update?” I’ll kick it off with the DAO page—screenshot pending. Or, if you’re feeling chatty, ping @MicrosoftDocs on X: “Hey, love the Access love, but ‘premier’ UA? Did you mean ‘pretty solid’? Asking for a friend (AWF).” Keep it cheeky, keep it civil.

This isn’t about picking sides—both forums have ace folks solving Access woes daily. It’s about Microsoft getting their story straight before we all start calling our databases “premier” too. Imagine the chaos: “My VBA’s the premier bug-fixer!” “No, my query’s premier!” Let’s save the superlatives for the pub and nudge Microsoft to tidy up their homework.

What say you, AWF crew? Shall we gently rib Microsoft into 2025, or just chuckle and carry on? Drop your thoughts below—I’m off to brew another cuppa and dodge the forum pitchforks!
Well stated UG
 
So much for the "Premier UA", and now they are no more.
 
One wonders two questions at once.

1. Will MS remove the "premier" advertisement now that UA is no more?

2. Does AWF really WANT the "kiss of death" from MS by taking over as the "premier site"? Or is there another site that has better visit stats?
 
Calling UA "premier" and ignoring AWF just shows how stupid MS actually is when it comes to all things Access. Access was Bill's baby but no one else there seems to even like Access. The SQL Server team hates Access and misses no opportunity to pan it.
 
The fact that AWF has been the premier site for many years and UA is dead, really makes me question if Microsoft are looking at all outside of their bubble. Surely they should know what the most popular discussion forum is for their product? Have they got something against us? I can imagine them removing the link to UA if you query it, but then refusing to replace it with AWF. Perhaps it is the political posts they dislike, since it probably leans right on the whole while Microsoft leans left.
 
The fact that AWF has been the premier site for many years and UA is dead, really makes me question if Microsoft are looking at all outside of their bubble.
When it comes to Access, Microsoft is certainly not looking outside their bubble, and not even looking inside their own bubble. The only possibility of getting MS to update the links to UA is if the Access Team does it, however, the UA links are plastered in many places. So perhaps one of the Access MVP's can contact the team and request them to update the links, and then you might find out whether the politics discussions in AWF is an issue. However, I think MS is abandoning having to keep web content updated because that requires man hours of work and they no longer have any humans left, except for Satya Nadela. Maybe their AI can do it if Satya can train it?... And if it doesn't happen, don't worry, UA is gone and everyone in the Access community knows AWF is King!
 
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I know the following is against AWF's policy, but despite all its defects, UA had a big knowledgebase and it has valuable content not available in AWF, as well as overlapping content available in AWF. UA's knowledgebase can still be accessed via The Way Back Machine.

There are lessons to be learned from history. When MS stopped supporting Visual FoxPro, the VFP community continued marching on and is still active. If the unthinkable happens and MS drops support for Access, is the Access community, AWF included, prepared to continue marching on?
 
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Somehow I think that was written back when 2 million square miles of undeveloped land vs. 55 million people seemed like it would last forever :)
 
Somehow I think that was written back when 2 million square miles of undeveloped land vs. 55 million people seemed like it would last forever :)
Yes, that's been on the Statue of Liberty since the 1880's. But now there's no more room for refugees. Sorry, "No Riders". However, we will still accept Fulbright Scolars, (i.e. exceptional foreign graduate students), wealthy and skill in demand foreigners. Healthcare Professionals is a good example.
 
Yes, that's been on the Statue of Liberty since the 1880's. But now there's no more room for refugees. Sorry, "No Riders". However, we will still accept Fulbright Scolars, (i.e. exceptional foreign graduate students), wealthy and skill in demand foreigners. Healthcare Professionals is a good example.
But enough with visas to Indians already. There are plenty of professionals in Mexico, and they are our neighbor. We SHOULD be a good neighbor
 

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