Attack on Israel (5 Viewers)

[Isaac]

I never said that. Please try to quote correctly. I said I would never kill someone. I'm sure it's easy to shoot someone (for example) in the leg so they can be apprehended by the relevant law enforcement officers.
Whereas the Americans here would quite happily kill someone, just like they shoot deer or bears for fun.
Col

Good for you. I'm not that skilled with a gun, having only shot mine at a range once or twice

 

[Isaac]

Duh! OF COURSE they end up bombing apartment complexes and schools. YOU work it out!

Because the Gazan's like to be bombed of course

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Because the Gazan's like to be bombed of course

Because Hamas hides in civilian population centers to attract a little more outrage.

 

[Isaac]

Whereas the Americans here would quite happily kill someone, just like they shoot deer or bears for fun

I never said that. Please try to quote correctly.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I'm sure it's easy to shoot someone (for example) in the leg so they can be apprehended by the relevant law enforcement officers.

If they are a moving target, not always so easy. Which is why when you are taught how to use a gun, your practice targets are oriented around upper torso, lower torso, and head shots as the best targets (in that order) to stop your assailant with the fewest shots. Aiming for an arm or a leg means you are aiming for the narrowest possible target. If your weapon is a shotgun or scattergun, then OK. If it is a pistol or rifle, not OK.

As gruesome as it sounds, the lessons taught regarding gun usage is that unless you are a marksman, you need to treat a gun as something you intend to use if you grab it. I.e. if you don't want to shoot someone, don't draw your gun from its holster. And if you DO draw it, you have to accept that the result could be lethal. In a way, that kind of instruction makes you think of the morality BEFORE you get into that situation.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Because the Gazan's like to be bombed of course

OMG. You really don't know do you?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

For those who decry the IDF attacks and the nature of this conflict, this might be interesting. It is a 12-minute investment. It answers many of the complaints made in this thread regarding Israel's way of waging the war.

 

[amorosik]

For those who would like to know a little more about the nature of Israeli politics, with a vision a little beyond the last two years

 

[amorosik]

Wouldn't you kill to defend your family, if you have one? Most normal people would, Right or not. Except @ColinEssex of course, he claims he would never shoot someone even if he was facing a Home Invasion, he'd just sit there and try to reason with a surely-good-teen-caught-up-with-the-wrong-crowd

Between killing someone who invades your home and sitting back and letting them plunder you, there are an infinite number of possible variations.
And I don't think anyone can deny it

Then maybe we need to understand those 20,000 children massacred in Gaza, the homes of those who invaded

 

[Pat Hartman]

There are versions of your video in English. The dialog and the graphics misstate the situation given that the Jewish occupation of the territory goes back thousands of years. At the end of WWII when the British were trying to exit the Palestinian Mandate (created after WWI when the Ottoman Empire was dismantled), they tried very hard to find an equitable distribution of the land based on then current population densities. The Arabs flatly refused to cooperate and dismissed all solutions. The "Palestinians" wanted ALL of the territory and felt the Jews deserved NONE of it. That was their position and they never waivered. So, the British made the decision to give Samaria and Judea and Gaza to the "Palestinians" and the rest of the territory to the Jews. What happened then?? I'll bet you have no clue no matter how many times I have posted the history of this region, you still believe the opinions from Al Jazeera.

Let me tell you one more time. As soon as Israel declared itself a country, Egypt attacked Israel and occupied Gaza. Jordan attacked Israel and occupied Samaria and Judea. Other neighboring countries also attacked Israel. Israel repelled all the attackers and they withdrew. Israel did not feel the need to protect the Palestinians from their own people. Therefore the Arab countries of the Middle East PREVENTED Palestine from ever emerging as a country. Why would you believe Al Jazeera and blame this on Israel? in addition, the High Mufti of Jerusalem convinced many of the "Palestinians" living in the territory allocated to the Jews that if they stayed, they would be persecuted. That was a typical lie but sadly (for them) too many believed it and abandoned their homes and businesses. When the dust settled and war ended, many refugees wanted to return but Israel wouldn't allow it. This is the origin of the refugee situation. Israel also expelled other Palestinians who supported the invasion. However, none of the Arabs and other non-Jews who stayed after the creation of Israel were ever persecuted. They all prospered and fully participate in Israeli society. They hold important positions in politics and the military and business. And when questioned as to whether they would prefer to live in a Muslim country, the answer is a resounding NO. Not allowing the Palestinian refugees who wanted to return back in was probably the biggest mistake Israel ever made. I understand their position though. Why allow the enemy within the gates? By that time, the Palestinians had certainly proved their hatred of the Jews. The newly formed country was going to have enough trouble establishing itself. They didn't need to tie their hands behind their backs also.

Many smaller wars ensued between 1948 and 1967. Then the big one happened in 1967. Again, at least SIX Arab countries massed together and invaded Israel once again. Israel fought back again and advanced this time. Israel took Gaza, the West Bank (Samaria and Judea) and the Golan Heights (Lebanon) as well as the entire Sinai Peninsula up to the Suez Canal. and kept them. The losers don't get their territory back when a war ends, especially when they were the aggressors. Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt in the late 80's and tried very hard for another 20 years to integrate the Palestinians. Israel never started the 6-day war but they sure finished it. Then in ~2004, Israel withdrew from Gaza. They forced the settlers to withdraw also and give up their businesses and homes and resettle back in Israel proper. They also dug up the buried and brought them home so the Muslims wouldn't desecrate the graves. So "Palestine" has been FREE for more than 20 years. Bet you didn't know that. What did they do with their freedom? They elected terrorists to lead them and spent all their money on buying bombs and arms and trying to kill every Jew they could. And you side with the terrorists because you believe the lies of Al Jazeera.

 

[Pat Hartman]

PS, The Turks have a better claim to the territory than the "Palestinians". But when they lost WWI, they lost the territory. Just like when the Arabs lost the 6-day war, they lost Gaza, Samaria, Judea, the Golan Heights, and the Sinai. No one needs to give the lost territories back. That is the way war works. When you lose, you may lose territory, especially when the loser started the war. So, if Russia loses, it doesn't get to keep the territory it stole, it will have to give it back.

 

[BlueSpruce]

I concede that point, they made an awful choice, it's been quite a few years now, and I'm sure they regret it at this point

I really don't think they had a choice. Hamas probably threatened to harm entire families if one member refused to vote for them.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The victor writes the history. So far, Hamas is writing the election history. Which means they can choose to not document any coercion they might have imposed.

 

[BlueSpruce]

The Turks have a better claim to the territory than the "Palestinians".

No one other than the Palestinian people can rightfully claim it. The Palestinian State has been recognized by 78% Countries of the World. There's going to be grave consequences for Israel's genocide and conquering Palestinian land.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Palestine

 

[Isaac]

Guilt by the fact that the people of Gaza ELECTED Hamas to govern them. I don't think it works by parties in that part of the world, but if there WAS a political party of Hamas, the Gazans voted for it.

As I'm sure you noticed the reason I said guilt by association was that Steve said they are guilty because they are all associated with Hamas

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The Palestinian State has been recognized by 78% Countries of the World.

Please subtract from that number those states that are Islamic or otherwise anti-Israel.

 

[BlueSpruce]

Please subtract from that number those states that are Islamic or otherwise anti-Israel.

The only non-islamic countries that don't recognize a Palestinian State are USA, Israel, Italy, and a handful of other countries. All other non-islamic countries, like France, England, Germany, Australia, etc. do recognize, so basically the majority of the non-islamic world recognizes and is also condeming Israel's genocide and anexation of Palestinian territories. Go figure!

 

[amorosik]

I'm sorry, but english is not my native language
What mean "..go figure.." ?

 

[BlueSpruce]

I'm sorry, but english is not my native language
What mean "..go figure.." ?

In the context I used that expression, I meant verify my statement about 78% of countries recognising a Palestinian State, and make your conclusions. An overwhelming majority of the world's non-islamic and islamic countries recognises them and condemns Israel's actions. Even many of Israel's own citizens condemn their own government's actions against Palestinians.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I'm sorry, but english is not my native language
What mean "..go figure.." ?

"Go figure" is equivalent to "isn't that a surprise?" or "does that make sense?" - often used after hearing of a surprising, puzzling, or illogical event.

Sometimes, however, it is used ironically to suggest that you don't know why someone ELSE would be surprised at a particular result.