Ryan Routh

[Isaac]

What does anyone think about the Ryan Routh case? To be honest I've been thinking since near the beginning that perhaps he was being over-punished/charged. I have a feeling he wasn't actually going to do anything, and I have more than a feeling - a certainty, that he is bat shit crazy and deserves psych treatment at most. It seems like the case was sort of bolstered up into something a bit more than it was.
Don't get me wrong, he seems dangerous, and it was obvious he shouldn't have been carrying a gun and hiding in the bushes, but......

 

[moke123]

I didn't follow that case but did read about it today. Thought it was humorous that he represented himself and he argued that the fact that he didn't shoot the secret service agent was proof he wasn't there to hurt anybody.

I think the Border Czar bribery case is a lot more interesting. I remember Abscam.

Release the video.

 

[Isaac]

Abscam? Not sure I'd heard of it, going to check it out - who's the accused?

 

[moke123]

Abscam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[NauticalGent]

Abscam? Not sure I'd heard of it, going to check it out - who's the accused?

Check out the movie American Hustle - you'll get educated and entertained at the same time!

 

[NauticalGent]

Release the video.

? Sorry, not following...

 

[moke123]

? Sorry, not following...

Homan was videotaped accepting the bag with $50K from the UC FBI agents.

 

[Isaac]

Oh yeah I did read about the 50,000, that's pretty naughty stuff..

 

[NauticalGent]

One thing's for sure, if there is a video, it will never see the light of day.

 

[Isaac]

I didn't say he was a victim, nor totally innocent, but rather that he was overcharged compared to what he actually DID do, which was essentially hide in a bush.

This thing where we just call everyone a Criminal and treat them identically needs to stop. Custom treatment for custom situations - common sense

 

[Isaac]

The past administration should've released it, presumably it was their sting operation. Homan criticized the past administration along with MSNBC.

There was credible evidence about Russia Gate also, until we found out it was a Hillary Clinton scam.

They couldn't release it, or at least it made no sense to, because he wasn't a public official yet and couldn't be charged with what they really wanted to charge him with - bribery of a public official. They had to wait until he became a public official and then wait until he demonstrated some resolve or reaffirmation to perform the favor, which is why it's now being disposed of - just not the right way.

Up until this point, they only could've charged him with conspiracy, a much lesser thing

 

[Isaac]

He was in the bush with a high power rifle with a scope pointed at secret service. Sheesh.

He had it pointed at secret service? As in he was about to fire or as in at some point while the rifle was turning around it was pointed at secret service? A lot of people at Trump rallies tried to come in with big guns too, you know the type. No charges there.

I'm pretty skeptical of the idea that he was about to fire it and secret service just happened to see it at that exact moment for the first time - that doesn't make sense. It makes more sense that he was simply crouching in a bush holding a rifle. Charges may be warranted but not that much. I can hold a gun near an important person all day long, doesn't make me a murderer nor an attempted one

 

[Isaac]

No, it makes total sense. He wasn't in public office yet - that's what I just said. That's why they didn't charge him with bribery back then, he hadn't committed bribery yet.

 

[Isaac]

They couldn't prosecute him for a crime (bribery) that he didn't commit. Yes, they were waiting until he became a public official.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

They couldn't prosecute him for a crime (bribery) that he didn't commit. Yes, they were waiting until he became a public official.

I don't know about that. Consider the prosecutions of some (not all) of the Jan. 6 "insurrectionists" where most of them played tourist. Not letting everyone off the hook, because some folks took it too far. But in typical Liberal fashion, they overcharged some people.

 

[NauticalGent]

Had they released the the tape and caught him in a conspiracy to commit bribery, they could have saved hundreds of thousands being deported.....

As the Talking Heads (the band, not the idiots on TV) are fond of saying "Stop making sense..."

 

[NauticalGent]

BTW, this tape would have been leaked by the out going Biden administration to their allies at CNN, MS-DNC, ABC etc.

One would think, unless of course the ones offering the bribe are important to both sides...

 

[Isaac]

I don't know about that. Consider the prosecutions of some (not all) of the Jan. 6 "insurrectionists" where most of them played tourist. Not letting everyone off the hook, because some folks took it too far. But in typical Liberal fashion, they overcharged some people.

Of course they could've charged him with something, but not nearly as much - small potatoes

 

[Isaac]

my brother used to have one of those, it's nothing special as a semi automatic - how much lower can you go? single action I guess?

he has said a lot of crazy things since that time, he also challenged Trump to a round of golf and offered to be a hostage in Gaza. He clearly is not right in the head. I didn't say he was innocent, just over charged. This convo has taken the turn that I say he's overcharged, and someone else says effectively "no he isn't innocent".

 

[Isaac]

Of course, but you're answering the question I didn't ask, that's all. I"m saying he's overcharged, and you're pointing out he isn't innocent.
I agree on that.