Attack on Israel (2 Viewers)

[Pat Hartman]

@amorosik Does that image mean that you think that any country that sells arms to Israel is attacking Hamas?

 

[amorosik]

@amorosik Does that image mean that you think that any country that sells arms to Israel is attacking Hamas?

You wrote that the US is not participating in any attack
These devices are only available to the US
And they were only used a few months ago

 

[Isaac]

I'd go with the people who don't ra** and maim and take hostages to torture and who don't use their own civilians as human shields. Just sayn'. I can't believe you are siding with Hamas

Actually there is plenty of well documented instances of abuse by Israeli settlers against Palestinians. I can't believe you have shielded yourself from this truth. Lots of beatings, shootings, etc., that go un-prosecuted by Israel.

 

[Pat Hartman]

You wrote that the US is not participating in any attack

"Participating" which you know very well meant "boots on the ground", "military actively engaged" like it was with the bombing in Iran.

These devices are only available to the US

Where is the evidence that Trump is selling the bunker busting bombs to Israel? Where is the evidence that Trump is selling the B2's to deliver the bombs?

I would be perfectly OK with Trump selling these bombs to Israel and "renting" them the B2's to deliver them. That gets rid of Hamas once and for all. It does take a lot of collateral damage too but I lost all sympathy for the "Palestinians" on Oct 7, 2023. They are animals and don't deserve to live. Israel would give warning and if Hamas kept their "non-combatants" as human shields in a futile attempt to stop the attack, then the collateral damage would be on the head of Hamas.

In theory, the war is over. I have my doubts. Hamas has never yet honored a peace treaty longer than the time it took them to rearm. It starts with the return of the hostages on Monday followed by the return of the remaining corpses.

 

[amorosik]

"Participating" which you know very well meant "boots on the ground", "military actively engaged" like it was with the bombing in Iran.

So if you send a plane and drop bombs, and kill people and destroy things, you're not 'participating'?
Do you like playing with words

Where is the evidence that Trump is selling the bunker busting bombs to Israel? Where is the evidence that Trump is selling the B2's to deliver the bombs?

I would be perfectly OK with Trump selling these bombs to Israel and "renting" them the B2's to deliver them. That gets rid of Hamas once and for all. It does take a lot of collateral damage too but I lost all sympathy for the "Palestinians" on Oct 7, 2023. They are animals and don't deserve to live. Israel would give warning and if Hamas kept their "non-combatants" as human shields in a futile attempt to stop the attack, then the collateral damage would be on the head of Hamas.

In theory, the war is over. I have my doubts. Hamas has never yet honored a peace treaty longer than the time it took them to rearm. It starts with the return of the hostages on Monday followed by the return of the remaining corpses.

And who wrote that Trump sold those bombs or the planes to transport them to others?
You're making assumptions that aren't there

 

[Pat Hartman]

So if you send a plane and drop bombs, and kill people and destroy things, you're not 'participating'?

Did you read what I said? I SAID that WE PARTICIPATED in Iran. We are not sending planes to bomb Gaza. We are not sending troops.

And who wrote that Trump sold those bombs or the planes to transport them to others?
You're making assumptions that aren't there

You are the one who asserts that we are somehow "participating" in bombing Gaza and who is going to do that now? Hamas "agreed" to the truce. So you're saying that we are going to continue the war without Israel and take over the bombing for them? What exactly are you saying and where are you getting your information? If you are going to accuse the US of war crimes at least be specific and attribute your sources.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Considering that Hamas doesn't make all of their munitions, do you also agree that whoever sells them war materiel is also a participant?

 

[BlueSpruce]

So now after 100,000+ dead Palestinians there's a deal, and there's nothing left for the survivors to return to as all their homes have been destroyed. Stay tuned for what's next...

 

[AngelSpeaks]

So now after 100,000+ dead Palestinians there's a deal, and there's nothing left for the survivors to return to as all their homes have been destroyed. Stay tuned for what's next...

And whose fault is it? WWII ended with Japan when we bombed them . Many dead and lots of destruction. Do I feel sorry for them? No. They bombed Pearl Harbor and were vicious to civilians and POWs. They used kamakazi warfare in planes and mini subs against us. We had no choice. Hamas is not giving Israel a choice.

 

[BlueSpruce]

And whose fault is it? WWII ended with Japan when we bombed them . Many dead and lots of destruction. Do I feel sorry for them? No. They bombed Pearl Harbor and were vicious to civilians and POWs. They used kamakazi warfare in planes and mini subs against us. We had no choice. Hamas is not giving Israel a choice.

My whole point is that Israel's retribution was unnecessarily excessive. Most of the 100K+ casualties were men, women, and children who had nothing to do with Hamas. The Muslim world will never forget nor forgive Israel for this. Israel will now live paranoid forever. What goes around, comes around...

 

[Steve R.]

My whole point is that Israel's retribution was unnecessarily excessive. Most of the 100K+ casualties were men, women, and children who had nothing to do with Hamas. The Muslim world will never forget nor forgive Israel for this. Israel will now live paranoid forever. What goes around, comes around...

So wrong. If you look at all the minority groups that have been victims of attempted genocide: Jews, Druze, Kurds, Greeks, Armenians, Uyghurs, Yazidi, Alawites. The world as a whole has not cared. So why all the insane hype about the plight of this one group, the Palestinians? Simple antisemitism.

PS: A guy burns a Koran, the world goes nuts demanding that person be somehow punished. A guy burns the Bible and the world celebrates his free speech rights.

The Hagia Sophia is converted into a mosque, Christians do nothing. Should a mosque get desecrated the Muslims rise-up in anger.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

My whole point is that Israel's retribution was unnecessarily excessive. Most of the 100K+ casualties were men, women, and children who had nothing to do with Hamas. The Muslim world will never forget nor forgive Israel for this. Israel will now live paranoid forever. What goes around, comes around...

They were used as shields. Israel warns civilians .

 

[The_Doc_Man]

My whole point is that Israel's retribution was unnecessarily excessive.

WAR is inherently NECESSARILY excessive. You want to make it excessively clear that your enemy will get crushed if they continue to resist.

We talk about the Geneva Conventions, but the truth of the matter is that throughout history, war was generally carried out by barbarian rules, which usually means you have to knock down your enemy hard enough that he CANNOT get up quickly.

With guerilla warfare, your enemy just moves on to another location and continues fighting. Why do you think we got kicked out of Vietnam and Afghanistan? Because politics. We weren't ALLOWED to pulverize the combatants because we were trying to win their hearts and minds. By contrast, the combat phase of Operation Desert Storm lasted four days, after which the Iranian military no longer had the ability to fight and they KNEW it. So they surrendered. Was that unnecessarily brutal? I don't know, you tell me... but I'll take bets on your answer.

WW II had multiple phases, but once we got to the invasions, things didn't last that long because we destroyed our enemy's ability to resist and they KNEW it. D-Day at Normandy was June 6, 1944 and the war in Europe was over in May, 1945. The Pacific theater took longer because of the logistics of distributed amphibious assults. We fire-bombed Japan to try to wear them down but the dedication of the Japanese people took a long time to overcome. But eventually the Emperor saw the futility and decided to save his people. Now if only Hamas leaders could see that path.

We fought in Afghanistan for 20 years. The Russians were there, too, and didn't fare any better, because they wanted the people to be useful after the war was over. Didn't happen for either of us because they weren't fighting a real war.

We are 0 for 2 on that non-war war front. Israel was brutal because WAR is brutal. If you don't see that, you don't understand the difference between a war and a "police action."

 

[BlueSpruce]

WAR is inherently NECESSARILY excessive. You want to make it excessively clear that your enemy will get crushed if they continue to resist.

We talk about the Geneva Conventions, but the truth of the matter is that throughout history, war was generally carried out by barbarian rules, which usually means you have to knock down your enemy hard enough that he CANNOT get up quickly.

With guerilla warfare, your enemy just moves on to another location and continues fighting. Why do you think we got kicked out of Vietnam and Afghanistan? Because politics. We weren't ALLOWED to pulverize the combatants because we were trying to win their hearts and minds. By contrast, the combat phase of Operation Desert Storm lasted four days, after which the Iranian military no longer had the ability to fight and they KNEW it. So they surrendered. Was that unnecessarily brutal? I don't know, you tell me... but I'll take bets on your answer.

WW II had multiple phases, but once we got to the invasions, things didn't last that long because we destroyed our enemy's ability to resist and they KNEW it. D-Day at Normandy was June 6, 1944 and the war in Europe was over in May, 1945. The Pacific theater took longer because of the logistics of distributed amphibious assults. We fire-bombed Japan to try to wear them down but the dedication of the Japanese people took a long time to overcome. But eventually the Emperor saw the futility and decided to save his people. Now if only Hamas leaders could see that path.

We fought in Afghanistan for 20 years. The Russians were there, too, and didn't fare any better, because they wanted the people to be useful after the war was over. Didn't happen for either of us because they weren't fighting a real war.

We are 0 for 2 on that non-war war front. Israel was brutal because WAR is brutal. If you don't see that, you don't understand the difference between a war and a "police action."

Israel had the ability to surgically eliminate Hamas with minimal collateral damage. They chose to carpet bomb everything and now the remaining survivors have nothing to return to. The destruction was equivalent to nuking! Is Israel going to follow through with annexation, reconstruction, and occupation that includes providing housing to Palestinian survivors, or is Israel going to relocate them further away and allow them to create a Palestinian State? War reparations are in order, it's the right thing to do!

 

[Steve R.]

Israel had the ability to surgically eliminate Hamas with minimal collateral damage

Surgically eliminating Hamas would have meant that virtually every Palestinian would be dead.

Is Israel going to follow through with annexation, reconstruction, and occupation that includes providing housing to Palestinian survivors, or is Israel going to relocate them further away and allow them to create a Palestinian State?

Traditionally, that is exactly what happens. The Arab states need to absorb the Palestinians into their countries. Gaza would make for an excellent beach front resort under Israeli control.

War reparations are in order, it's the right thing to do!

The Palestinians need to pay Israel for having to build a wall and army to protect Israel and for all the damage and death caused by insentient Palestinian genocidal attacks against Israel.

The Palestinians should refund all the money that was used for supposed humanitarian aid but was then inappropriately used to turn Gaza into a fortress, armed camp, and associated military supplies.

 

[BlueSpruce]

Several here think I'm anti-semite. That's the card you always play when someone doesn't agree with what Israel has done. I personally don't have any prejudice against Jews, I have several Jewish friends since childhood who also feel Israel went overboard with the Palestinians. So do many Israeli citizens, and a large majority of the Non-Muslim and Muslim world.

 

[Pat Hartman]

So now after 100,000+ dead Palestinians there's a deal, and there's nothing left for the survivors to return to as all their homes have been destroyed. Stay tuned for what's next...

1. Made up number.
2. Who's fault is it that there is nothing left?
3. Who started the war?
4. Which party is lobbing thousands of bombs every year at CIVILIAN targets in Israel?
5. Which party committed the terrorist attack of Oct 7?
6. Which party murdered 1200 civilians and took 200+ hostages which they have either murdered or refused to return? Maybe they're having too much fun torturing them. That one even got the idiot Greta to post a picture of one of the tortured people being forced to dig his own grave. But we can't talk about that stuff.
7. Which party steals food out of the mouths of their citizens and then sells it to them? Talk about a war crime This is how the terrorists you support treat their own citizens. And you blame the Jews. Your antisemitism is showing.
8. Which party feeds the citizens of their attacker?

 

[Steve R.]

Several here think I'm anti-semite. That's the card you always play when someone doesn't agree with what Israel has done.

You have a point in that you can criticize what Israel has done to protect itself. What you seem to have purposely left out is any acknowledgement that the Palestinians made antisemitism their mantra and initiated the genocide against Israel. The Palestinians had a choice not to perpetually attack Israel, which you seem to dismiss. The Palestinians do not deserve and apologist. Will they stop attacking Israel?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1976999017134670011

 

[BlueSpruce]

You have a point in that you can criticize what Israel has done to protect itself. What you seem to have purposely left out is any acknowledgement that the Palestinians made antisemitism their mantra and initiated the genocide against Israel. The Palestinians had a choice not to perpetually attack Israel, which you seem to dismiss. Will they stop attacking Israel?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1976999017134670011

Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Nevermind the Palestinians. Israel has sealed their fate by enraging the entire Muslim world, and their demise would not surprise me. They're outnumbered and have it coming.

 

[Steve R.]

Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Nevermind the Palestinians. Israel has sealed their fate by enraging the entire Muslim world, and their demise would not surprise me. They're outnumbered and have it coming.

Evidently, the genocidal maniacal crimes committed by the Palestinians are irrelevant and not to be condemned. And no matter what Israel does, they "have it coming". Based on those comments, it would appear that Israel has absolutely no rights to defend itself or to even exist as a nation.