Attack on Israel (7 Viewers)

... Simple antisemitism....

When you no longer know what to write, then the anti-Semitic story begins
No one cares about hating the Jewish or Israeli populations, this is the usual Jewish victim mentality
It's true that the first to generate anti-Semitic sentiments are the Israeli government and army, with their reckless and criminal actions
 
Massacred defenseless populations is another
The Palestinians weren't defenseless they had the ability to perpetually attack Israel year after year. The only difference is that Israel had the "bigger" guns.

Consider that the Palestinian have been practicing human sacrifice. The Palestinians have been purposely putting their citizens in danger of being killed for the propaganda value. So one can say that the Palestinians were massacring themselves.

When you no longer know what to write, then the anti-Semitic story begins
I have had a lot to say, the concern is that you refuse to acknowledge that the Palestinians are the ones to blame. You also seem oblivious to the growing wave of antisemitic protests occurring world wide.

Please provide a link to a respected Palestinian writing in a reasonable well known paper/forum/podcast calling for the Palestinians to stop fighting and disarm.
 
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Jesus said "He who is without sin cast the first stone." Nevermind the Palestinians. Israel has sealed their fate by enraging the entire Muslim world, and their demise would not surprise me. They're outnumbered and have it coming.

As an atheist, I do not acknowledge "sin" in the sense you are using. Therefore, I'll cast stones with clear conscience. Spare me your possible claim that my beliefs are a sin. To you the claims are possible... but I don't agree.

Several here think I'm anti-semite. That's the card you always play when someone doesn't agree with what Israel has done. I personally don't have any prejudice against Jews, I have several Jewish friends since childhood who also feel Israel went overboard with the Palestinians. So do many Israeli citizens, and a large majority of the Non-Muslim and Muslim world.

The problem with this statement is basically one of innumeracy. Statistics don't define morality. Evil, even if committed against only one person, is still evil. The Israelis were defending their homeland. Hamas had to cross borders into Israeli territory to attack Jews. They were NOT defending their homeland. Israel fires their missiles at places where their sources say their enemy militants are staying, or at the place from which Hamas launches missiles or drones. Hamas sends their missiles and drones to where Israeli civilians are staying.

You deny being an anti-semite but then when you see blatant anti-semitism, you can't bring yourself to agree that is what is happening with Hamas and the people of Gaza. Do I wish for the conflict to end? You can bet on it. BUT ... do I expect Israel to "roll over and play dead"? Not on your life. Do I want everyone to forgive and forget? You would be halfway right. Always forgive... but never forget. Because if some time down the road this flares up again, ... so much for the integrity of a peace deal with Hamas. And if it DOES flare up, how do you stop repeated flare-ups? By killing off all of those who flared up, forgetting this most important lesson. "Turn the other cheek" works for a slap, but not for murder of infants and teenagers.
 
Several here think I'm anti-semite.
Every time you attack Israel for defending itself and flatly refuse to find even the slightest bit of fault with the relentless attacks on Israeli civilians and the atrocious attack of Oct 7, you confirm our opinion of you. Israel has made mistakes. They are not entirely without fault but they are the aggrieved party. Gaza has been free for more than 20 years so the "Free Palestine" chant is just plain bullsh*t. Israel is the one whose civilians are relentlessly pelted with rockets. THOUSANDS every year. When Israel fires back they send notices to the Palestinian civilians what they are targeting so they can escape to safety. WHO does that???????????? But, sadly, there is no escape from Hamas. Hamas makes it impossible for the civilians to flee to safety. Hamas needs all the dead Palestinians they can manage whether they kill them directly, starve them, or hold them as human shields and let the Israeli's kill them. And you've bought into the lies. Hook, line, and sinker right in your mouth and they just jerk you around.

So, you just keep defending Hamas. Never acknowledge ANY of their atrocities. That is why some members think you are an antisemite. You are not alone by the way. The whole thing is political. The liberals all defend Hamas to the death and condemn Israel. Read the comments. Not a single waver of doubt no matter what atrocities Hamas commits. You would have thought that minds would be changed after Oct 7 but the Marxists have doubled down. However, most of the conservatives defend Israel. Not all. It's like a variation of TDS. But this one is truly sick. There is nothing righteous about Hamas' cause or methods. And after Oct 7, when the ordinary Palestinians participated in the terrorist attack, I lost all sympathy for the other residents of Gaza. They voted for Hamas and now they will live or die with Hamas even though Israel is doing their best to save them.
 
When you no longer know what to write, then the anti-Semitic story begins
No one cares about hating the Jewish or Israeli populations, this is the usual Jewish victim mentality
It's true that the first to generate anti-Semitic sentiments are the Israeli government and army, with their reckless and criminal actions

And yet when there is war, it is only recognized AFTER Israel responds to an attack of external origin. When is it EVER going to happen that folks recognize that Israel isn't PLAYING "victim" - they ARE the victims of hatred. Those "reckless and criminal" actions involve legitimate attempts to eliminate externally sourced threats. I'm truly sorry that you can't see it that way.
 
As an atheist, I do not acknowledge "sin" in the sense you are using. Therefore, I'll cast stones with clear conscience. Spare me your possible claim that my beliefs are a sin. To you the claims are possible... but I don't agree.



The problem with this statement is basically one of innumeracy. Statistics don't define morality. Evil, even if committed against only one person, is still evil. The Israelis were defending their homeland. Hamas had to cross borders into Israeli territory to attack Jews. They were NOT defending their homeland. Israel fires their missiles at places where their sources say their enemy militants are staying, or at the place from which Hamas launches missiles or drones. Hamas sends their missiles and drones to where Israeli civilians are staying.

You deny being an anti-semite but then when you see blatant anti-semitism, you can't bring yourself to agree that is what is happening with Hamas and the people of Gaza. Do I wish for the conflict to end? You can bet on it. BUT ... do I expect Israel to "roll over and play dead"? Not on your life. Do I want everyone to forgive and forget? You would be halfway right. Always forgive... but never forget. Because if some time down the road this flares up again, ... so much for the integrity of a peace deal with Hamas. And if it DOES flare up, how do you stop repeated flare-ups? By killing off all of those who flared up, forgetting this most important lesson. "Turn the other cheek" works for a slap, but not for murder of infants and teenagers.
I have no claims against you. I'm not a devout Christian and don't like the bad guys, but have compassion for humanity. I kno what Hamas has done to Israel is wrong, but why wipe out all Palestinians and their homes with carpet bombing instead of sending in troops to target Hamas and relocate Palestinians to safety? Israel should allow the survivors to form a State and build housing for them. If they act up again, then invade New Palestine, annex it, and exile all Palestinians to other Arab countries.
 
Israel should allow the survivors to form a State and build housing for them.
You really need to read some actual history. For 40 years after the 6-day war when Israel acquired Gaza (that's what happens when a war ends and there is a victor and the victor was the victim of the initial attack, They get to keep the land. PERIOD.), Israel tried diligently to help the Palestinians integrate into Israeli society and become productive members along with all the Palestinians who wisely stayed in 1948 rather than abandoning their homes and businesses and becoming refugees.

When Israel left Gaza to its own devices ~ 2004, The Palestinians elected Hamas to govern them and Hamas promptly destroyed all the housing and still thriving businesses that Israel had left to them when they forced their own people to move back into Israel proper.
 
You really need to read some actual history. For 40 years after the 6-day war when Israel acquired Gaza (that's what happens when a war ends and there is a victor and the victor was the victim of the initial attack, They get to keep the land. PERIOD.), Israel tried diligently to help the Palestinians integrate into Israeli society and become productive members along with all the Palestinians who wisely stayed in 1948 rather than abandoning their homes and businesses and becoming refugees.

When Israel left Gaza to its own devices ~ 2004, The Palestinians elected Hamas to govern them and Hamas promptly destroyed all the housing and still thriving businesses that Israel had left to them when they forced their own people to move back into Israel proper.
So now that Hamas is no longer a threat, help the Palestinians get rid of them once and for all, and help Palestinians rebuild in New Palestine so everyone can live in peace.

The Palestinians didn't elect Hamas. Hamas took control by force and made it look like they were elected by the people.
 
So now that Hamas is no longer a threat,
Will Hamas disarm? Has not yet happened so they are still a threat.

help Palestinians rebuild in New Palestine so everyone can live in peace.
Does this mean rebuilding solely within the existing limits of Gaza? Or is the context within the expansive term "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free". Would this include recognition by the Palestinians of the right of Israel to exist? Will this new Palestine renounce advocacy of genocide against Israel?
 
The Palestinians didn't elect Hamas. Hamas took control by force and made it look like they were elected by the people.
That is your opinion. Kinda' like that's what the Dems did in 2020. Trump won the election but somehow Biden became President. If the Palestinians had wanted to get rid of Hamas, the Israelis would gladly have helped them and this war could have ended before it ever started but the Palestinians were all on board with Hamas' promise to kill all the Jews. The Israelis are ferocious fighters because they are fighting for their very existence, they would gladly have infiltrated Gaza and killed each Hamas leader in his bed. All they needed was viable intel. Oct 7th would never have happened. The perpetual bombing of Israeli civilian targets wouldn't have been going on for almost 20 years. But the Palestinians didn't want to get rid of Hamas. They thought Hamas could win. They thought that world opinion would force the Jews to just walk into the gas chamber and die like they did for Hitler. Do some research on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and how he was collaborating with Hitler to bring the "final solution" to the Middle East at the end of WWII. When one group of people wants another group dead and there is no middle ground, Gaza is what you get.

This war didn't start yesterday. It's been going on since Allah told Mohamad that if he couldn't convert or subjugate people, they should be killed. The Jews will not be converted or subjugated. Figure out the Muslim plan from there.
 
So now that Hamas is no longer a threat,

You have placed the cart firmly before the horse. There is an agreement on the table for which parts have been accepted. But if Hamas decides they don't want to give up power, ... now what do you do? Let's try another old saying - don't count the chickens before they are hatched. Or how about this one - I'll believe it when I see it.

You want to know how and when the people of Gaza will be free of Hamas? When THEY start shooting at Hamas, when THEY start killing their oppressors - then they will be free.
 
Will Hamas disarm? Has not yet happened so they are still a threat
If they don't voluntarily disarm, then disarm them by force, but stop killing innocent Palestinians in the process. They've never voluntarily sympathized with Hamas from the get go.
Does this mean rebuilding solely within the existing limits of Gaza? Or is the context within the expansive term "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free".
That needs to be addressed in the peace deal. I would think New Palestine needs to have access to the Mediterranean Sea for commerce and leisure, so let the UN and Israel decide what's a fair area for their new State.
Would this include recognition by the Palestinians of the right of Israel to exist? Will this new Palestine renounce advocacy of genocide against Israel?
I never thought of all Palestinians denying Israel's right to exist and advocating genocide against them. There are many Palestinians who for decades lived in peace with Israel, worked there, lived there, shared, befriended, married Jews and Christians in Israel. You cannot say "all Palestinians" wish death to Jews, that's Hamas and Iran injecting hatred. You shouldn't generalize with any culture, there's good and bad in every culture.

I hope something good comes out of all this awful ugly mess! Israel should go after the root culprits, the Iranian regime that backs Hamas, Hizbulah, Isis, Taliban, etc. I'm sure the US and even several other Arab countries, like the Saudi's, would like to get rid of them.
 
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disarm them by force, but stop killing innocent Palestinians in the process

And here we go again... do you not recall that bringing force against Hamas involves them using Gazans as shields? Do expect a leopard to change its spots when it is on the prowl?
 
If they don't voluntarily disarm, then disarm them by force
Well, the UN was created to prevent conflicts between opposing parties. How did that work out?
  • The UN never disarmed Hamas and Hezbollah.
  • The UN never went into the tunnels of Gaza or into Lebanon to remove Hamas and Hezbollah rockets.
  • How is it that the UN did not negotiate a cease fire?
  • As time has progressed, it turns out that some of the UN employees were actually Hamas operatives. The clear implication, the UN has been on the side of Hamas. The flip side, the UN is an antisemitic organization stealthily working for the destruction of Israel.
@BlueSpruce: You condemn Israel for taking the actions it has taken, yet it appears that you have not condemned the UN for failing to keep the peace. If Hamas is not disarmed, the UN can't be expected to do accomplish that task since they are on the side of Hamas. So who should disarm Hamas? Should Hamas have to be disarmed by force, Palestinians will die. Will you be accusing that yet to be named military force of genocide?
 
Well, the UN was created to prevent conflicts between opposing parties. How did that work out?
  • The UN never disarmed Hamas and Hezbollah.
  • The UN never went into the tunnels of Gaza or into Lebanon to remove Hamas and Hezbollah rockets.
  • How is it that the UN did not negotiate a cease fire?
  • As time has progressed, it turns out that some of the UN employees were actually Hamas operatives. The clear implication, the UN has been on the side of Hamas. The flip side, the UN is an antisemitic organization stealthily working for the destruction of Israel.
@BlueSpruce: You condemn Israel for taking the actions it has taken, yet it appears that you have not condemned the UN for failing to keep the peace. If Hamas is not disarmed, the UN can't be expected to do accomplish that task since they are on the side of Hamas. So who should disarm Hamas? Should Hamas have to be disarmed by force, Palestinians will die. Will you be accusing that yet to be named military force of genocide?
Your claims that the UN has Hamas operatives and is on their side is ridiculously outlandish. If the UN did not disarm Hamas, then srael should do it by force, but do it right without killing Palestinians in the process.
 

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