Attack on Israel (6 Viewers)

[The_Doc_Man]

It's my understanding that Israel has always found an excuse to prevent Palestinians from having their own State. After Israel's invasion, I think the Palestinians will be singing a different tune. They don't have much choice.

Your understanding is categorically wrong. Rejection of two-state solutions has always occurred because of the Arab side of the situation. They actually want a one-state solution... their state, which they get by destroying Israel. Every solution that involved a two-state peace deal fell apart because the Islamic side of the bargain broke the peace. Pat Hartman previously published links to detailed histories of what actually happened. Israel has tried several times but the peace only lasts for a while. Then everything blows up again. (Literally as well as figuratively.)

 

[Cotswold]

I cannot recall a single instance of a Jew stabbing anyone in Britain simply because of their religion.
Or of any of them exploding bombs in public places with the sole intention of causing death and injury to many.

 

[Pat Hartman]

If they don't voluntarily disarm, then disarm them by force, but stop killing innocent Palestinians in the process.

OK. Apparently you have no clue what is going on. We've been over this a gazillion times but you haven't believed us. You're just believing the antisemitic rhetoric. How EXACTLY do you propose to do that? Just saying it isn't going to make it happen. EVERYONE, including the Israelis would prefer to just kill Hamas and spare the "innocent" civilians except of course Hamas. Why is that not possible? I think you are going to actually have to put on a thinking cap and really think about the situation on the ground and figure out WHY this isn't possible. Maybe, if the Israelis used drones that targeted specific individuals, it could happen but when Hamas always hides behind the skirts of women and children. How does the bullet go around the human shield and kill the terrorist but never injure the hostage? You don't seem to be aware that Israel gives advance warning of what it is targeting in order to give the civilians a chance to escape. Why do they not escape? Come on, why do they not escape? How do you intend to fix that?

 

[Pat Hartman]

It's my understanding that Israel has always found an excuse to prevent Palestinians from having their own State. After Israel's invasion, I think the Palestinians will be singing a different tune. They don't have much choice.

Then you really need to find a reliable source for your history. Try Britannica. SPECIFICALLY review what happened in 1948 when the state of Israel was formed. WHY didn't Palestine become a state on the same day?????????????????? I'll summarize it for you. Egypt invaded Israel and on the way annexed Gaza. Jordan invaded Israel and on the way annexed Samara and Judea. So the parts of the Palestinian Mandate that the British allocated to the State of Palestine simply vaporized and Israel HAD NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH IT. History is so important to your understanding of current events and it is frightening how ignorant most people are. But, ignorance is curable if only you care enough to find actual history instead of the Al Jazeera version. The Britannica articles explain WHY Palestine was not prepared to form a country and why they were unable to repel Egypt and Jordan. It also explains why Israel succeeded. Hamas is why Palestine didn't form in 2004.

Then review what happened in 1967 to find out how Israel came to annex Gaza and Samaria and Judea. Then review what happened in ~2004 when Israel withdrew completely from Gaza.

It all comes down to the Muslims insisting on a ONE-state solution. They get everything and the Jews get dead.

 

[BlueSpruce]

It all comes down to the Muslims insisting on a ONE-state solution. They get everything and the Jews get dead.

Well, that tune has changed with the Palestinians. "All Muslims insist on a one state solution" is not true, you're generalizing again. Let's take baby steps by giving Palestinians enough land with sea access to form their state, and see what happens. If they use that land to lob missles, then invade, annex, and deport them. Why doesn't Israel invade Iran, who are the root problem? Do you think all Arab Nations in the region are going to unite and invade Israel to revive the Persian Empire?

 

[AccessBlaster]

If they use that land to lob missles, then invade, annex, and deport them.

Isn't that how we got here? BTW deport them to where?

 

[BlueSpruce]

BTW deport them to where?

The Moon?.. If no country wants them, Israel can send them to the gas showers.

 

[Steve R.]

Well, that tune has changed with the Palestinians. "All Muslims insist on a one state solution" is not true, you're generalizing again.

False! What do you think the genocidal chant of "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" mean. Name some Palestinians who have condemned that genocidal phrase.

with sea access

Gaza is on the Mediterranean coast. A lovely place were a seaside resort could be built. Trump would like that opportunity.

deport them

Historically that is the solution. Too bad the world has gone soft with non-solutions. Deport them to Yemen.
PS: Don't forget that a lot of this problem comes from the fact that the Palestinians attempted to overthrow the King of Jordan and they were deported from Jordan! Israel should enjoy the same benefit. Deportation. No Palestinians, no war.

Do you think all Arab Nations in the region are going to unite and invade Israel to revive the Persian Empire?

They attempted and failed. You don't know history.
PS: Iran is not an Arab state. So if the Arab states were to supposedly unite once again, they would be reviving something similar to the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Let's take baby steps by giving Palestinians enough land with sea access to form their state,

Why not let Egypt give them land or maybe Jordan or Syria or Iraq? Why does Israel have to give them anything? Notice that none of those countries will accept Palestinian refugees. Ask yourself why. They have lived in Gaza for almost 80 years and have managed to turn it into a sh*thole. They have fomented insurrections in all countries where they have been admitted in numbers since 1948. They turned Lebanon from a moderate Christian nation to a terrorist run Muslim nation. They tried to overthrow the governments of Syria and Jordan. Kuwait expelled ~ 200,000 of them after the first gulf war because they were working with Iraq to destroy Kuwait. Hamas deliberately destroyed housing and viable businesses left by the Jews when Israel made them leave. Granted the Israelis have destroyed much of Gaza in the previous couple of years but before that, they destroyed it themselves!!!!! To the point where they even dug up water pipes to use to build rockets. Who cares if the "civilians" have potable water!

Historically that is the solution. Too bad the world has gone soft with non-solutions. Deport them to Yemen.

You think Trump takes a lot of crap for deporting illegal aliens to countries other than their country of origin? What do you think would happen if Israel tried that? What rational country wants to take this garbage? I can't even believe that Israel is willing to release several thousand Palestinian criminals back to Gaza. That is just asking for trouble. I would have insisted they go to some other willing country and if no one wanted them, they stay in jail

They attempted and failed. You don't know history.

See if you can count the number of invasions. You really need to understand the background because your "solutions" have already been tried MULTIPLE times and all failed. The Palestinians want the Jews dead and they want the whole territory and they will settle for nothing less. The reason Israel even had any control over Gaza is because of the 6-day war. Duh! Then they tried it again in 1973 and got creamed again. Some people never learn. All subsequent attacks have been for show.

I don't know if this list is complete (you can't trust Wikipedia with history any more).

List of wars involving Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Given the results of the other ceasefires, who knows how long this one will last. At least the other Muslim nations (except Iran) are also tired of the constant conflict and seem to be pressuring Hamas to surrender.

 

[BlueSpruce]

Israel is willing to release several thousand Palestinian criminals back to Gaza. That is just asking for trouble.

It's 250, not 1,000, but do agree it's a big mistake.

So if Israel has given them so many opportunities, and it failed, why don't they just exterminate all Palestinian men, women, and children? They destroyed over 95% of Gaza cities, so why not eliminate them all? Then they only have to worry about Muslim's revenge. Evil begets Evil. All Israel has done is increase anti-semitism.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

invade, annex, and deport them

Deport them to where? NOBODY WANTS THEM!!!! You are either a hidden Muslim or you have not kept track of current and recent ... and not-so-recent events in that area of the world. You SERIOUSLY need to find sources that explain what has happened in that corner of the Mediterranean Sea. It is about 1/3 of the world away from you in Florida so for you those events are out-of-sight, out-of-mind.

I believe that your news sources are so narrow - and apparently so biased - that you have no clue about what is going on. There are several words that I could use that would be highly improper, so I will gently say - you are grossly uninformed. I believe you to be capable of learning the truth but you first have to realize that your knowledge is incomplete. This is as politely as I can say it since I don't wish to call you names.

 

[BlueSpruce]

Deport them to where? NOBODY WANTS THEM!!!! You are either a hidden Muslim or you have not kept track of current and recent ... and not-so-recent events in that area of the world. You SERIOUSLY need to find sources that explain what has happened in that corner of the Mediterranean Sea. It is about 1/3 of the world away from you in Florida so for you those events are out-of-sight, out-of-mind.

I believe that your news sources are so narrow - and apparently so biased - that you have no clue about what is going on. There are several words that I could use that would be highly improper, so I will gently say - you are grossly uninformed. I believe you to be capable of learning the truth but you first have to realize that your knowledge is incomplete. This is as politely as I can say it since I don't wish to call you names.

So if Israel has given them so many opportunities, and it failed, why don't they just exterminate all Palestinian men, women, and children? They destroyed over 95% of Gaza cities, so why not eliminate them all? Then they only have to worry about Muslim's revenge. Evil begets Evil. All Israel has done is increase anti-semitism.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

why don't they just exterminate all Palestinian men, women, and children?

Because Jews have higher moral standards than you give them credit for having. They warn their victims and give them a chance to leave a targeted area. They DO supply aid (food, medical) to the Gazan people. The have refrained from carpet bombing refugee camps. Does that sound like someone who wants to exterminate their enemies?

 

[BlueSpruce]

Because Jews have higher moral standards than you give them credit for having. They warn their victims and give them a chance to leave a targeted area. They DO supply aid (food, medical) to the Gazan people. The have refrained from carpet bombing refugee camps. Does that sound like someone who wants to exterminate their enemies?

So if Israel has given them so many opportunities, and it failed, why don't they just exterminate all Palestinian men, women, and children? They destroyed over 95% of Gaza cities, so why not eliminate them all? Then they only have to worry about Muslim's revenge. Evil begets Evil. All Israel has done is increase anti-semitism.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

If you have to ask that question, you have clearly made up your mind and nothing will sway you. I will continue to answer your tech questions but on this topic, it is clear that you are unwilling to learn anything that might upset your preconceived notions. You clearly cannot imagine what is happening because you can't understand the depths of fanaticism that are currently being exposed in that area. You cannot believe the degree of martyrdom and so you build an illusion in your mind as to the real evil.

I am reminded of a quote from (cartoon / comic-strip character) Pogo Possum: We have met the enemy and he is us.

 

[BlueSpruce]

If you have to ask that question, you have clearly made up your mind and nothing will sway you. I will continue to answer your tech questions but on this topic, it is clear that you are unwilling to learn anything that might upset your preconceived notions. You clearly cannot imagine what is happening because you can't understand the depths of fanaticism that are currently being exposed in that area. You cannot believe the degree of martyrdom and so you build an illusion in your mind as to the real evil.

I am reminded of a quote from (cartoon / comic-strip character) Pogo Possum: We have met the enemy and he is us.

To summarize, Israel is no better than the Nazi's were. Actions speak, and I can see through all the "smoke screen" arguments.

 

[Steve R.]

To summarize, Israel is no better than the Nazi's were. Actions speak,

The Palestinians slaughtered over 1,200 people in a vile sneak attack. Their mantra is the genocidal chant: "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." Actions speak: Palestinians are the Nazi's.

Then they only have to worry about Muslim's revenge.

You have it backwards the Muslims have been the aggressors for over 1,000 years. It is the Christian nations that will have to finally stand up and seek "revenge".

 

[The_Doc_Man]

To summarize, Israel is no better than the Nazi's were. Actions speak, and I can see through all the "smoke screen" arguments.

I pity you for how badly you have been fooled. Go in peace.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The Moon?.. If no country wants them, Israel can send them to the gas showers.

That's messed up

 

[Pat Hartman]

They destroyed over 95% of Gaza cities, so why not eliminate them all?

Israel is trying very hard to not kill civilians. How many times do we have to mention that? Hamas keeps them hostage in the hopes that some will die in the attack. Israel warns ahead of time what will be targeted to give civilians a chance to escape. But Hamas needs human shields and forces civilians to stay. Is there some part of that you don't understand? Please try to confirm so you get it.