Was the Atom Bomb for Japan the right thing to do?

[dan-cat]

If your government stopped all illegal immigrants from entering the country, what do you think would happen? These companies wouldn't increase their wages and hire an all-American workforce. Once the profit margins were thin enough, they'd close down.

They would outsource to China...oh hold on, they already do...

 

[Alc]

They would outsource to China...oh hold on, they already do...

Problem solved.

The employees go from being a mix of illegal workers (who are willing to work for low money) and American workers (who aren't) to being all foreign workers (who are willing to work for low money). The American workers no longer have to work alongside these damn 'illegals' and everyone's happy.

I'm sure there's a flaw there, somewhere, but I can't quite see it...

 

[Alc]

If the US of A (and they had full support) had of A Bombed the shit out of fucked up places.......then I would not be putting up with shit from a new employee.......and their rights etc.

Out of curiosity, Mike, which of their 'rights' has/have got you so annoyed?

 

[Crowbar]

If your government stopped all illegal immigrants from entering the country, what do you think would happen? These companies wouldn't increase their wages and hire an all-American workforce. Once the profit margins were thin enough, they'd close down.

I am quite sure that if your job was taken by some dirtbag who is willing to do it for minimum wage, your attitude would change rather quickly. Hold on, that day is coming soon.

 

[Crowbar]

I think you need to do a little more research on who the 'dirtbags' are. It is the proprietor of the business that controls the wages and the workforce not the employees. The illegals are being treated with just as much disrespect by their employers as the legals who have been ousted by them. The illegals are not stupid, they know this.

Contempt breeds contempt.

I stand corrected, both the illegals, and the people who hire them are dirtbags.

 

[Crowbar]

The fact that you are talking about illegals means the government has NOT allowed these people in.

I wish that were the case, but sadly the law says they can't sneak in here, they must do it the right way, but even sadder, the government refuses to either stop them or prosecute them.

Don't be mistaken, when they sneak across the border, it is illegal.

 

[Alc]

I am quite sure that if your job was taken by some dirtbag who is willing to do it for minimum wage, your attitude would change rather quickly. Hold on, that day is coming soon.

There are many, many immigrants to the UK and Canada (both legal and otherwise). Going back to when I was working for around minimum wage (applies only to the UK), the fact that I was in competition with illegal 'foreigners' for the job was just one of the downsides. The advantage I had was that I could progress to higher-paying jobs, if I applied myself, while they couldn't, simply because the more they earned, the more conspicuous they became. It would have been a bit ridiculous of me to complain about them being there, as the only reason they were was that there weren't enough locals who wanted to do the work. If there had been, they'd have starved.

 

[Crowbar]

There are many, many immigrants to the UK and Canada (both legal and otherwise). Going back to when I was working for around minimum wage (applies only to the UK), the fact that I was in competition with illegal 'foreigners' for the job was just one of the downsides. The advantage I had was that I could progress to higher-paying jobs, if I applied myself, while they couldn't, simply because the more they earned, the more conspicuous they became. It would have been a bit ridiculous of me to complain about them being there, as the only reason they were was that there weren't enough locals who wanted to do the work. If there had been, they'd have starved.

While you make valid points, breaking the law is wrong. If we allow all of society's laws to go un-enforced, our society as we know it will completely break down. If they can get away with breaking immigration laws, then why can't I rob a bank, or beat up someone I don't like (or pick any other law) and get away with it.

 

[dan-cat]

While you make valid points, breaking the law is wrong. If we allow all of society's laws to go un-enforced, our society as we know it will completely break down.

Don't worry Crowbar, once illegal immigrants cease to become profitable they will be used as scapegoat material that you are so keen to subscribe to.

 

[Alc]

While you make valid points, breaking the law is wrong. If we allow all of society's laws to go un-enforced, our society as we know it will completely break down. If they can get away with breaking immigration laws, then why can't I rob a bank, or beat up someone I don't like (or pick any other law) and get away with it.

So make it not worthwhile for the employers to hire illegal workers. If the penalties were severe enough, they wouldn't do it and there would be no need for workers to come in illegally. You can't blame people for wanting to make a better life for themselves?

To use your bank robbery analogy: At present, you don't rob banks. You're not desperate for money and the risks are too high. However, if you and your family were starving and crime were the only way out, you may be forced to lose some principles, like it or not. If these people know there are jobs going begging in the USA, they'll come for them. If the employers knew they faced serious jail time (for example) for employing illegal workers, the supply of such jobs would dry up and so would the influx.

 

[GaryPanic]

So make it not worthwhile for the employers to hire illegal workers. If the penalties were severe enough, they wouldn't do it and there would be no need for workers to come in illegally. You can't blame people for wanting to make a better life for themselves?

To use your bank robbery analogy: At present, you don't rob banks. You're not desperate for money and the risks are too high. However, if you and your family were starving and crime were the only way out, you may be forced to lose some principles, like it or not. If these people know there are jobs going begging in the USA, they'll come for them. If the employers knew they faced serious jail time (for example) for employing illegal workers, the supply of such jobs would dry up and so would the influx.

good argument - also some laws become redundant .. No Sunday trading was one -, there are other laws like walking down the road with an offensive wife (which should be made illegal) -

some laws are punative against the general population ...and protect a select few ( the posh knobs) aimed to keep the little people from getting justice .. even in todays "enlighted" days its still tits up

Here in the Uk if a employer is caught employing illegals then you can basically stop trading as the fine is per person and bloody high (from memory its either 20k or 50k )..
being part of the EU doesn't help too much either (Although i am in favour of it -if we could get rid of the crooks running it)

 

[Alc]

there are other laws like walking down the road with an offensive wife (which should be made illegal)

Ws that a typo, or do you speak from experience?

 

[dan-cat]

there are other laws like walking down the road with an offensive wife (which should be made illegal)

rofl

 

[Atomic Shrimp]

People aren't coming over here, taking our jobs again, are they? I thought they were just taking the jobs we all considered too dirty, too back-breaking or too humiliating for us.

 

[GaryPanic]

Ws that a typo, or do you speak from experience?

not my wife... but you see em.. its just that ugly women seems to be more offensive to the eyes than ugly men ( and why do ugly men pull good looking women - I don't get it..)

lol

 

[Rich]

( and why do ugly men pull good looking women - I don't get it..)

lol

Money

 

[Rich]

While you make valid points, breaking the law is wrong. If we allow all of society's laws to go un-enforced, our society as we know it will completely break down. If they can get away with breaking immigration laws, then why can't I rob a bank, or beat up someone I don't like (or pick any other law) and get away with it.

Were the segregation laws fair too?

 

[oumahexi]

However, if you and your family were starving and crime were the only way out, you may be forced to lose some principles, like it or not.

I think most people would, it's the art of survival. Even the more fortunate of us, I'm sure, cannot say we have never broken the law in one way or another (eg taking home a pen from work... theft is theft, is it not?) Illegals and other misfortunates just have greater needs, either to feed their families of keep them on substances - that would generally be the "other misfortunates".

 

[oumahexi]

not my wife... but you see em.. its just that ugly women seems to be more offensive to the eyes than ugly men ( and why do ugly men pull good looking women - I don't get it..)

lol

Perhaps they have good personalities? Amazingly, not every beautiful woman knows she is in that category. Likewise, not every ugly woman is aware she would never be a homecoming queen. This is why God invented the Hijab, sadly too many beauties hide under them too.

 

[GaryPanic]

Perhaps they have good personalities? Amazingly, not every beautiful woman knows she is in that category. Likewise, not every ugly woman is aware she would never be a homecoming queen. This is why God invented the Hijab, sadly too many beauties hide under them too.

good personality or not - I cannot imagine you kissing the elephant man...
(lol) - but you might be right - I have met and enjoyed the company of some less attractive women and have felt envious of their partners whom at first glance could of done better - but once you met their partner can total understand why they are with x (this goes for both men and women)...