Louisiana Americans burning British flags

[Galaxiom]

Some years ago I worked in the renewable energy industry. BP is a major player in that industry and a substantial manufacturer of solar modules.

They started promoting it as "Beyond Petroleum."

However I think it now means "Biosphere Pollution".

 

[Galaxiom]

.... as for being defensive about my country where is that?

I took it as implicit in the rejection of criticism as soon as I mentioned negative comments about the history of the UK.

 

[Galaxiom]

I've always admitted that the war in Iraq was Bush's attempt at oil to feed the shareholders of his own oil companies. I believe Bush will go down as the worst President this country has ever seen. The people that died in his senseless war died for nothing because a war on "terror" (what I believe should be the war OF terror) is never-ending. You can't have a war on something that isn't substantial and when the players don't play by the rules of war. There will always be "terrorists" and Bush was the worst one. He used Americans fear after 9/11 to start this war.

Well said Vassago.

I also admit that we use more oil than the rest of the planet, but that's more due to a lack of other transportation methods than anything else. There's still a lot of land in America that is all woods and farms, you have to have a car to get anywhere in my city. If I lived in Japan, it would be different, especially Tokyo.

You could cut back a lot by using more sensibly sized vehicles. The sheer size of the SUVs in the US is a real shock to anyone from Australia. Here we see the occasional giant Ford ute known as an F250 or F400. Some people use them to tow motorhomes but only a few are stupid enough to actually commute in them.

A friend of mine jokingly referred to seeing what must have been an F1000000 on a visit.

The Hummer is an excellent example of a completely irresponsible waste of oil.

 

[Vassago]

Well said Vassago.



You could cut back a lot by using more sensibly sized vehicles. The sheer size of the SUVs in the US is a real shock to anyone from Australia. Here we see the occasional giant Ford ute known as an F250 or F400. Some people use them to tow motorhomes but only a few are stupid enough to actually commute in them.

A friend of mine jokingly referred to seeing what must have been an F1000000 on a visit.

The Hummer is an excellent example of a completely irresponsible waste of oil.

Thanks. You'll find that most Americans have smaller cars now and are going hybrid when possible. What you see on tv isn't necessarily what is actually happening. I've always drove cars with excellent gas mileage.

 

[Galaxiom]

It is encouraging to hear things are beginning to move in the right direction. The decisions of the USA can be world changing because of the sheer size of the market and the far reaching influence on worldwide investment.

It is a tragedy that GWB and the Republicans managed to cheat their way back into power for a second term. So much opportunity lost on moving towards sustainable energy.

If something positive can come from the tragedy in the Gulf of Mexico it will be the realisation that the real costs of petroleum technology far exceed what it costs to drill a hole and refine the gunk that comes out. Unfortunately few seem to have realised the three trillion dollars spent in Iraq are part of the cost of oil.

Too bad Obama will probably only last a single term before the reign of the Republicans again turns back the progress in favour to profit their constituent power holders.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I took it as implicit in the rejection of criticism as soon as I mentioned negative comments about the history of the UK.

I didn't reject criticism, merely asked about the direction of the thread.
Do you read and understand what is written or just make up your own posts?

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

It has been called British Petroleum Company since mid-1950s but has used BP as a trade mark since way before that as referring to "Best Possible"

Selective quoting is the same as lying by ommission.

British Petroleum merged with Amoco (formerly Standard Oil of Indiana) in December 1998,[28] becoming BP Amoco plc.[29] In 2000, BP Amoco acquired Arco (Atlantic Richfield Co.)[30] and Burmah Castrol plc.[31] In 2001 the company formally renamed itself as BP plc[29] and adopted the tagline "Beyond Petroleum," which remains in use today. It states that BP was never meant to be an abbreviation of its tagline.

Brian

 

[Rich]

You forgot to mention that the evil Churchill also used Australian troops in the middle east to prevent the peace loving Nazi regime from getting its hands on the oil, you also forgot to mention that the evil British along with its commonwealth allies were the only hope for freedom for millions around the world, what a marvellous omission from the history professor, good job it was constructive criticism

 

[Adam Caramon]

I didn't reject criticism, merely asked about the direction of the thread.
Do you read and understand what is written or just make up your own posts?

From my time on these forums, I've noticed you're very defensive of anything that sheds a negative light upon the UK. That's understandable because it is your home country, but if we all puff up our chests anytime someone says negative things about our home country we would never get anywhere.

you also forgot to mention that the evil British along with its commonwealth allies were the only hope for freedom for millions around the world

Care to elaborate?

 

[Brianwarnock]

From my time on these forums, I've noticed you're very defensive of anything that sheds a negative light upon the UK. That's understandable because it is your home country, but if we all puff up our chests anytime someone says negative things about our home country we would never get anywhere.
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I guess it would be unreasonable of me to ask for references, but I have to disagree. However if you think that Galaxiom is correct in his assertions in this thread then I can understand where you get your ideas from.

Brian

 

[Rich]

Care to elaborate?

Well let's see, France,Poland,Holland,Norway etc etc, were under the Nazi jackboot whilst the US was still asleep in front of the box. The known anglophobes on the forum are at it again

 

[Vassago]

As much as I agree the Iraq War was started for the wrong reasons by us, if I recall correctly we did have allies there and many were from the UK...

 

[Rabbie]

Well let's see, France,Poland,Holland,Norway etc etc, were under the Nazi jackboot whilst the US was still asleep in front of the box. The known anglophobes on the forum are at it again

Think you left out Belgium

Edit. Missed the etcs

 

[Adam Caramon]

Well let's see, France,Poland,Holland,Norway etc etc, were under the Nazi jackboot whilst the US was still asleep in front of the box.

Interesting point of view.

I guess it would be unreasonable of me to ask for references, but I have to disagree. However if you think that Galaxiom is correct in his assertions in this thread then I can understand where you get your ideas from.

Not necessarily unreasonable, but it would take a lot of time for me to compile them, and I am sure when I did we would still have a difference of opinion on each statement. If it makes you feel better you're usually quite reasonable when the topics don't involve the UK.

 

[dan-cat]

The article, though poorly written, has done its job here.

Made something much more out of nothing by flying on the tails of nationalistic pride. A low-down tactic used by sleazy tabloids but very effective.

 

[Vassago]

The article, though poorly written, has done its job here.

Made something much more out of nothing by flying on the tails of nationalistic pride. A low-down tactic used by sleazy tabloids but very effective.

Not really, I think most of the members here dismissed it exactly as a very ineffective tactic at causing debate. The author's opinions are definitely noted.

 

[dan-cat]

Not really, I think most of the members here dismissed it exactly as a very ineffective tactic at causing debate. The author's opinions are definitely noted.

Look at post 39. You've jumped from discussing the integrity of the article to US foreign policy. The tactic of the article has made this leap for you.

 

[Pauldohert]

A credible journalist would provide references to the material that their opinions are based on. Without them the reader is unable to judge whether the writer's opinions are well grounded.

I'd say given the nature of the publication, it's all quite deliberately inflammatory.

Do papers in the US really provide references throughout articles.

Anyway it is as dangerous to disbelive everything you read in the paper as to believe it, if there are no references.

But that precisely what you have done.


The stomping concurs with an article in the times and the telegraph.

Oil consumption
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/pie/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption

US population about right.

Bhopal is correct is it not?

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US position on Kyoto, seems a reasonable view on its climate change, Iraq is a widely held belief if not fact.


So inspection of the first few - seems fairly reasonable - so why do you choose to dismiss it all as incorrect.

It looks rather like its just convenient for you to dismiss it, with lack of references being the poor excuse.



With its consumption rate the US is the problem.

 

[Vassago]

So inspection of the first few - seems fairly reasonable - so why do you choose to dismiss it all as incorrect.

It looks rather like its just convenient for you to dismiss it, with lack of references being the poor excuse.

The only two things I felt were worth dispute were the "facts" that flags were burned and flags were stomped on, suggesting that Americans were blaming the British somehow. I've seen no true news reports that either took place and never heard anyone blaming the British. It sounded a little too made up for my taste. The rest of the article is almost entirely strictly opinion, which you can't dispute as true or false.

 

[Fifty2One]

I quoted all of the post you put so what are you referring to me as selective quoting? And what is with the selected quote of portion of a wiki below it?

Selective quoting is the same as lying by ommission.
Brian