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One big step forward was the removing of Guns in the UK.

Blade can you tell me what percentage of UK citizens possessed guns before the ban? A breakdown of Farmers, gamekeepers, hunters, sporting shooters and ordinary citizens would be useful but probably not available.

The reason I ask is that at the ripe old age of 73 the only two people I know that owned guns were Gillie Foster and mr Walker , a farmer. My first girl friend's father had a small farm , but I never saw a gun there.

Brian
 
Blade can you tell me what percentage of UK citizens possessed guns before the ban? A breakdown of Farmers, gamekeepers, hunters, sporting shooters and ordinary citizens would be useful but probably not available.

The reason I ask is that at the ripe old age of 73 the only two people I know that owned guns were Gillie Foster and mr Walker , a farmer. My first girl friend's father had a small farm , but I never saw a gun there.

Brian

Hi Brian I know this is a loaded question but I will have to say no, No I do not know how many people lost their guns. However, the number of guns really does not matter since it is the act of taking them away. They took a freedom you might have enjoyed awayin order to satisfy what, someones fear, paranoia, control (as in socialism).etc. etc. etc. You lost a Freedom that you will never get back. It also makes it easier to piggyback other laws to this now and in the future for other freedom restrictions.

Blade
 
Galaxiom. Why do you believe in Atheism beside the fact that there is not evidence (in your words) to his existence. Is Atheism necessary for your happiness?

Blade
 
Galaxiom. Why do you believe in Atheism beside the fact that there is not evidence (in your words) to his existence. Is Atheism necessary for your happiness?

Blade

Strange, every definition of atheism I have ever read says that it is a lack of belief, perhaps you can tell us what it is a belief in.

Brian
 
Hi Brian I know this is a loaded question but I will have to say no, No I do not know how many people lost their guns. However, the number of guns really does not matter since it is the act of taking them away. They took a freedom you might have enjoyed awayin order to satisfy what, someones fear, paranoia, control (as in socialism).etc. etc. etc. You lost a Freedom that you will never get back. It also makes it easier to piggyback other laws to this now and in the future for other freedom restrictions.

Blade

It was not a loaded question but if only a very small percentage had guns then the ban, which it have previously condemned as a knee jerk reaction, does not effect the vast majority of the people. I prefer the freedom of not having to worry if the road rage nut case is going to pull a gun.

Brian
 
It was not a loaded question but if only a very small percentage had guns then the ban, which it have previously condemned as a knee jerk reaction, does not effect the vast majority of the people. I prefer the freedom of not having to worry if the road rage nut case is going to pull a gun.

Brian
we have not really had to worry about road rage until recently. The trouble is the bad guys carry guns and are not afraid to use them. Even though you supposedly have no guns, you still have deaths by gun. Yes, they are few but it still happens.

I think we have already covered this area.

Blade
 
But the liberals want socialism. One step away from communism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, etc. Of course a prerequisite for these is Atheism.

Religions have managed to enforce totalitarian regimes so I don't see how atheism is a prerequisite.

Indeed I would say the reality is quite the opposite.

In theory, God is the ultimate dictator though in reality we experience only the dictatorship of those presuming to know His will.
 
You said something about Armageddon and all those that do not believe will die? There is a coming war. believers in God and those who do not. The Bible lays it out pretty well. You will take the mark of the beast or you will not.

Well yes, according to the "prophecy" that you accept without question.

Unfortunately there are many religious people working to fulfill that prophecy. Why do you think Islamists are picking fights where ever they can? They want the fight because they believe they will win.

Atheism exist to kill us Chrisitians and like it or not because you believe, you have as much ownership of these atrocities as you claim we do.

Atheism is the absence of something and as such doesn't exist per se, so your claim is insensible.

The atrocities are firmly in the camp of the religious. Your books tell the stories quite clearly.


Keep in mind that ever since Jesus died for all of our sins at the cross, the religious message has been 'love thy neighbor'.

Thankyou for raising the point for dying for sin. It has always been a curious thing.

God designed absolutely everything about the Universe and beyond. Apparently then he designed the rule that says, "Any form of sin requires a death of something innocent to be forgiven."

He had to have His own son, the ultimate innocent, crucified in order for Him to forgive us. Clearly God has not changed his tune since the Old Testament at all. Could this "God" actually just forgive without the need for slaughtering?

The really perverse part is that the Bible explicitly explains how many innocent animals are to die as an equivalent penalty and how this deal can be negotiated with the priest based on your wealth. That and the instruction on which side of the altar to pour the blood.

What kind of message is this about the nature of morality? From this supposed "guide to living"?

Those not fully aware of what is in the Bible should take the time to read what it actually says on such matters. It isn't hard to find it online. Some sites offer your wide choice of many different versions of the "immutable truth".

Take your pick because the words in any version speak for themselves. My favorite chapter is where Joshua and his followers invade their Promised Land while brutally slaughtering tens or hundreds of thousands of people who already lived there. You won't be able to put it down.

The followers of Abraham's Monster try to pretend otherwise but the truth is that they are involved in what are quite literally primitive death cults. Those who worship the God of Abraham perpetuate it.
 
The followers of Abraham's Monster try to pretend otherwise but the truth is that they are involved in what are quite literally primitive death cults. Those who worship the God of Abraham perpetuate it.

Seems it is not the faith in itself at the root of the evils but the miss-application of the principles of the faith?
 
Seems it is not the faith in itself at the root of the evils but the miss-application of the principles of the faith?

The principle of faith is the abandonment of reason, making the person, by definition, unreasonable. It is the root of the problem.

Go and read the holy books and then tell me about evil.
 
The principle of faith is the abandonment of reason, making the person, by definition, unreasonable. It is the root of the problem.

Go and read the holy books and then tell me about evil.

Is this unreasonable 'faith', just faith in some things or just selected things which is unreasonable?
 
Is this unreasonable 'faith', just faith in some things or just selected things which is unreasonable?

It becomes a problem whenever someone chooses to make a decision on the basis of faith rather than reason.

For example, GW Bush and Tony Blair both decided to ignore the UN weapons inspectors tasked with determining whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

They both publicly stated that they had prayed to God to guide their decision about going to war.

This irrational decision directly led to countless deaths. Both should have been convicted of the crimes.
 
You know, that REALLY irks me, because the day after 9/11, Cheney called Dick Clark (the civil servant, not the TV guy) into his office and relayed the message that the administration had determined that Iraq was behind the attacks, and that Dick had better find the evidence.

Hell, people who worked on the 2000 campaign have come out and said that, before the elections were even over, Bush and Cheney were working on plans for invading Iraq.
 
To start with seems you're a bit gullable to think their praying to God really lead them to the decision to go to war. It was a damage control thing... In any case faith is not inherently evil, it's how it's applied. Apply extremism to most anything and unexpected and sometimes bad things can happen...
 
To start with seems you're a bit gullable to think their praying to God really lead them to the decision to go to war. It was a damage control thing... In any case faith is not inherently evil, it's how it's applied. Apply extremism to most anything and unexpected and sometimes bad things can happen...

Hi Ken You are right. They want me to accept the deeds of others who call on their faith to aid them. But when others as Stalin, Mao, Hitler,(shall I go on) kill millions, they somehow are a different sect and do not share any responsibility?

Galaxiom........ If someone invaded you home land (Aussie for short), killed, maimed, your kin folk, coutnrymen and pushed you to the ends of your land next to the sea and all of a sudden you had someone come in and say, ok go ahead and attack them, I will give you protection, however while your at it, kill every living enemy Man, woman and child. What are you going to do? Well Lord, I had rather not, just give us a boat and we will go somewhere else. Or like every human since Adam would want revenge. If you don't you are not human. (Guess your a God then... Problems for the atheist side of you (hate yourself)
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) a joke my friend a joke but you see where I am going.. What would you do? Rem. These people had no education, most were illiterate and and relied on word of mouth for any information. I might add word of mouth thru a human mouth You atheist want to get rid of religion. It is inherent to the word Atheist and believe it or not. Rem, I have seen you at your worse,with red bulging eyes, slobber out of the corner of your mouth. It was very vivid that you had the human frailties and were actually part of the human race instead of a God.
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A lot of deaths have occurred throughout history. We can debate whether Bush did the right thing but we need to include Obama who refused to leave soldiers in Iraq. Thus ISIS and More deaths.

The way you throw Atheism around as the best thing around, one would think it is God sent or something. You are part of it and you cannot wash it away.

Blade
 
Looking at the mornings news is depressing.

*Christians killed by the hundreds by Islamic Terrorist, **death threats to the owners of a pizzeria where there has been no violation of the no discrimination law. *** A state law mimicking a Federal Law signed into law buy the Governor of the state.


[All questions by others are paraphrased!]

*Islamic Terrorist are stepping up death to any professed Christian (and there are many) plus they are questioning the people about knowing certain lines that are present in the Koran(Curan'). If they do not know these lines, then they are put to death as well. This my friends is simple pure EVIL.

Of course the Islamic Terrorist main objective is to overthrow the local governments, to install the Islamic version of a theocratic government and social setting (Shira' Law) much like Iran. Yet, there is no outrage by anyone other than Israel and a hand full of Arabic countries that are threatened to be swallowed-up by this movement. Like Hitler, we just let it happen. Obama is our Neville Chamberlain, and the world suffers. The demise of the Christian religion is a goal here! For all those self-proclaimed atheist out there, They (Radical Islamic Terrorist) will kill you and any gays as well. You are also 'Infidels' according to the Koran

**The owners were asked by a 'planted' reporter: ' will you serve all who come into your place of business including any Gays? Will you cater any Gay Weddings?' The answer was:: Yes, we will serve all in our place of business including Gays. No, because we do not believe in Gay Marriage, we will not cater any Gay Wedding. They actually told the reporter there was another pizza place down the road that would cater Gay Weddings. Then all hell has broken loose. No tolerance here.

***A law in Indiana to promote Religious Freedom has caused a firestorm. WHY? it was virtually the same as the Federal law that was signed by Bill Clinton (don't know what to call him). When the governor signed the bill into law, ALL HELL broke loose. No Tolerance here either

This is the problem with the left. There is no tolerance for any religious beliefs of any kind, even if it does not affect them (the left liberal person) directly.
Just a HATRED for Religion.

On this Good Friday, I would like to remind all those people who do not believe in Jesus Christ, he died for our sins. All humans, yes, including YOU, living and dead will in the end be judged! (Hey, you should be proud, your atheism does not have this level of justice, does it?) You will get to argue your point to the Man himself. I cannot make that decision for you, It is your Choice? I urge you to make the right one.

'Gods NOT Dead' is a good movie to watch. It gives a little bit of both sides in a more religious setting than the debates have done.

May you have a Happy Easter Sunday!

p.s. In the USA polls show the nearly 80% of the population believe in God. Yes, we are a nation of GOD! whether you like it or not.

Blade
 
I have to admit, this article immediately made me think of Blade, Dick, A2E, and Aziz, among others:

Poll: Gays More Popular Than Evangelicals in the US

Hi Frothy: Good article.... I have no problem with Gays!..


For the life of me, why do you want to call me a Bigot (A hater)? As far as your view of Jesus, it is ok, it is your opinion and Choice.

Have a nice Easter.

Blade
 
Irregardless, the people who killed millions were atheist and the people killed were Christians.

Ima just pick out this, How do you know that they were all atheist for starts?

So if someone kills someone across the street and one is atheist and one is a christian. Suddenly it is because he hated religion. Doesn't personal hate or interest come into this occasion somewhere?
 
Ima just pick out this, How do you know that they were all atheist for starts?

So if someone kills someone across the street and one is atheist and one is a christian. Suddenly it is because he hated religion. Doesn't personal hate or interest come into this occasion somewhere?

Hi Connor, Believe we were talking about Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. with the exception of Hitler all were Marxist/communist// one step away from socialism. While Hitler was said to believe in God, his writings show that he did not and actually dispised the Jewish people.

It has been argued that Atheism is not something would cause a person to kill innocent people but rather their agenda (i.e.. communism) vs. Religion where people were killed in the name of God. Yet, these lands were taken by ruthless people who killed and raped innocents as they went. When taking back this land that God gave them, yes, they kill as many as they could.

I refer to the question I ask Galaxiom in a previous post. Apply this to your Europe and answer it. What would you do? If you could not ra** a small child or cut up an old person then you have morals that you got from somewhere, certainly not from atheism. I'll even bet you got them from religion. So, no matter what you say, you have a little religion in you somewhere and probably using the veil of Atheism to suit you lifestyle. Much like college students of today, they throw off the label of Christianity in order to fit into the immoral lifestyles of some with very Liberal views. No matter what you say, 85-90% of Americans (via a poll) believe in God. That is a far cry from the poll taken from this thread and is also a far cry from any polls taken in the European theater. Atheism is alive an growing over there where you are... Wonder Why?

Blade
 

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