Are you an atheist? (1 Viewer)

[Mihail]

Thank you, Galaxiom (BTW: where is the "thanks" button? )
As I said, there are a lot of years from when I have read the Bible.
I bookmarked the page and I think that I'll have fun by reading it at all.

 

[Galaxiom]

You're not far off a Mel Gibson esque - Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world - kind of sentiment in your full quote - just targeted to a broader church?

I didn't say that Jews are responsible for all the wars. Such an accusation is designed to drive attention away from the point.

The Hebrews used an age old human technique of vilification of those who they intended to conquer. The next step paints them as a threat. The third step tells how killing them is the only righteous thing to do.

The way of God is the way of war.

Exodus 15:3 says it quite well:

The Lord is a man of war;
The Lord is His name.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+15:3&version=NKJV

Yet another "one true name" for Abraham's god?

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I didn't say that Jews are responsible for all the wars. Such an accusation is designed to drive attention away from the point.

The Hebrews used an age old human technique of vilification of those who they intended to conquer. The next step paints them as a threat. The third step tells how killing them is the only righteous thing to do.

The way of God is the way of war.

Exodus 15:3 says it quite well:

The Lord is a man of war;
The Lord is His name.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+15:3&version=NKJV

Yet another "one true name" for Abraham's god?

Yes I know you didn't and didn't say you did , I asked

Is your point that religion is the cause of all the wars in the world. Because that's how I broadly read what you were saying.
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Which isn't so dissimilar, just based on a broader church.

The way of God is the way of war? - but most religions preach peace and mostly practice peace, do they not?

 

[Mihail]

Is your point that religion is the cause of all the wars in the world. Because that's how I broadly read what you were saying.
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I don't understand this from Galaxiom but, if he said that I must say that is entirely false.

The wars has, with no exception, economics causes.
I speak here about real causes, not about legendary causes (Helena from Troy is the first example that come in my mind).

But how to motivate the stupid soldiers to fight for a cause that they don't understand ?
Or, if they understand, they have no personal benefit ?

By telling they that this is a holly war.
By telling they that the God itself is implied in this (the "WISH" clause).
By telling they that they are the "selected" people and the enemy is also an enemy of God.

Do you recognize Hitler ? And not only.
Do you recognize the crusades ?
... or the "Jihad" ?
... or the "100 years war"
or... or... or...

Show me, if you can, a single war where the combatants are not motivated (also, not only) by religion belief.

"The religion is a powerful tool that help the (already) powerful man to keep the weakness people in chain" - quoted (not very exact) from the greatest Romanian poet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihai_Eminescu

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I don't understand this from Galaxiom but, if he said that I must say that is entirely false.

The wars has, with no exception, economics causes.
I speak here about real causes, not about legendary causes (Helena from Troy is the first example that come in my mind).

But how to motivate the stupid soldiers to fight for a cause that they don't understand ?
Or, if they understand, they have no personal benefit ?

By telling they that this is a holly war.
By telling they that the God itself is implied in this (the "WISH" clause).
By telling they that they are the "selected" people and the enemy is also an enemy of God.

Do you recognize Hitler ? And not only.
Do you recognize the crusades ?
... or the "Jihad" ?
... or the "100 years war"
or... or... or...

Show me, if you can, a single war where the combatants are not motivated (also, not only) by religion belief.

"The religion is a powerful tool that help the (already) powerful man to keep the weakness people in chain" - quoted (not very exact) from the greatest Romanian poet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihai_Eminescu

Land, wealth, greed, revenge, nationalism, racism , coercion, subjugation, payment , food - theres many a reason why wars start and combatants fight.

Religion can play a part in that of yes but I am not buying into the idea that atheism is above it all. That's seemingly is why war is being talked of here - that it proves religion or atheism as better than the other.

I think war is a red herring in an argument between whether atheism or religion is the better option. A cheap shot. From either side.

In all respect I wont answer further to yourself Mihail as I haven't the time generally for a 3000+ post thread. I apologise in advance my friend.

I merely wanted to pick Galaxiom up on a few anti religious statements he threw in , which to me were presented without evidence, let alone balanced well interpreted evidence.

 

[dan-cat]

Well you have made a incorrect assumption that I believe the bible to be the word of God?.

I seem to remember calling him for a similar error. Extraordinary how he unknowingly exhibits the same qualities that he attacks.

 

[Mihail]

@AnthonyGerrard

Land, wealth, greed, revenge, nationalism, racism , coercion, subjugation, payment , food - theres many a reason why wars start and combatants fight

Let me sort your list:

A) Land, Wealth, Greed, Subjugation, Payment, Food
This are, all, economics causes that can start a war.

B) Revenge, Nationalism, Racism and here I'll add, the Religion
This are not real causes to start a war.
This all are methods to motivate the stupid (more or less) soldiers to fight in a war.

C) Coercion
This is a method. Can be applied to the defeated population in order to gain economics benefits or to your own soldiers in order to force (motivate ?) they to fight (if you will not fight you will be treat as a traitorous or as a traitor)

Let me show you the short movie for a mini-war where I was one of the "combatants".

In December 1989 was so named "Romanian Revolution".
Before this event (until 22 December), Romania was a communist country. In 23 December Romania has become, suddenly, a capitalist country.

Now the events movie:
A small group has "conquered" the Romanian television.
After few minutes they started to said (using this television)

- We are informed that terrorist groups attack the civilian in whole the great towns.
and a part of population get out of their houses in order to stop this "terrorist"

- We are informed that terrorist groups try to put bane in the water web
and another part of population get out of their houses in order to stop this

- ... try to destroy the factories
here they "catch" me

- ... Russian commandos are in our country
Some of us don't like Russians.

- ... Hungarian peoples try to gain control in their area
(Nationalism)

- ... try to kill as and to put out of order our (OUR) communications by destroying bridges, roads etc

- Ceausescu family (the presidential family at that time) has money in Switzerland's banks.

Of course, the religion was not forget:

- ... try to destroy our churches because "they" are communists non-believers.

and the variant for atheists:
- ... try to destroy our ancient churches that are part of our history.

No one (NO ONE) of this has proved at a later time.

As well as Saddam Hussein nuclear and/or biological weapons.
So what ?

Ceausescu family was assassinated (as well as Saddam)
A new power is raised (as well as in Iraq)

We (including me), stupid soldiers, wonder even now who orchestrate all this scenario.

So, my friend, as I said:
the religion was never a cause, but was, at any time, a powerful tool (weapon).

 

[Rabbie]

(BTW: where is the "thanks" button? )

It's in the bottom right hand corner of each post

 

[dan-cat]

So, my friend, as I said:
the religion was never a cause, but was, at any time, a powerful tool (weapon).

He never argued against this. He was stating that religion is one of an armory of such tools.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I seem to remember calling him for a similar error. Extraordinary how he unknowingly exhibits the same qualities that he attacks.

Maybe we can all make mistakes - but the regularity Galaxiom fails to follow any of the rigour he requires in others beliefs to form his own beliefs and opinions is remarkable.

 

[Mihail]

@Rabbie
Now it is. When I asked it wasn't.

@dan-cat
Who is "He" ? Is not important your answer here, because my post wasn't an argue against someone.
Was an argue in order to sustain my affirmation ( #3519)

The wars has, with no exception, economics causes.

 

[Bladerunner]

I don't understand this from Galaxiom but, if he said that I must say that is entirely false.

The wars has, with no exception, economics causes.
I speak here about real causes, not about legendary causes (Helena from Troy is the first example that come in my mind).

But how to motivate the stupid soldiers to fight for a cause that they don't understand ?
Or, if they understand, they have no personal benefit ?

By telling they that this is a holly war.
By telling they that the God itself is implied in this (the "WISH" clause).
By telling they that they are the "selected" people and the enemy is also an enemy of God.

Do you recognize Hitler ? And not only.
Do you recognize the crusades ?
... or the "Jihad" ?
... or the "100 years war"
or... or... or...

Show me, if you can, a single war where the combatants are not motivated (also, not only) by religion belief.

"The religion is a powerful tool that help the (already) powerful man to keep the weakness people in chain" - quoted (not very exact) from the greatest Romanian poet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihai_Eminescu

All Wars the U.S. has been in.


Have a nice Day:>)

Bladerunner

 

[Brianwarnock]

All Wars the U.S. has been in.


Have a nice Day:>)

Bladerunner

I wonder if the Islamic people waging their war against THE GREAT SATAN would agree with that.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

I wonder if the Islamic people waging their war against THE GREAT SATAN would agree with that.

Brian

Good day to you Brian: I did not say anything about battles. We have lost many of them but wars, no. Besides, the terrorist war is ongoing and yet to be decided. In fact for it to go away, the whole world will have to join in.

Have a nice Day :?)



Bladerunner

 

[Brianwarnock]

Good day to you Brian: I did not say anything about battles. We have lost many of them but wars, no. Besides, the terrorist war is ongoing and yet to be decided. In fact for it to go away, the whole world will have to join in.

Have a nice Day :?)



Bladerunner

Hi, no mention was made of winners or losers, just of wars , ongoing or over. The west , of which you are part, are in a major war with the jihadists, and the USA is their major enemy.
Note that I also did not say it was your fault.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

Hi, no mention was made of winners or losers, just of wars , ongoing or over. The west , of which you are part, are in a major war with the jihadists, and the USA is their major enemy.
Note that I also did not say it was your fault.

Brian

Brian; In post #3527, I was simply replying to MIHAIL assertion that all wars were fought in the name of God. His sentence about combatants being motivated by religious beliefs is probably true 90% of the time. However, that does not mean they fought the war because of religion.

On the other hand, Islam fights all its wars because of religious beliefs. In most cases it is also the instigator of the war. My guess is there is too much blood spilt to lay down their arms so they continue fighting.

The battles I was talking the most about was with Islam in the middle east. However, we did have big setbacks in WWII, Korean and Vietnam wars. In fact , I think we lost the Vietnam War.

I know you did not say anything out of the way. was just making conversation with you friend.

One thing I might point out, we may be the head of the spear (Great Satan), but the whole world will feel their (Islam) wrath before it is over. Now that our Pres. decided to leave Iraq prematurely and appears to have given in to Iran concerning their nuclear abilities, I fear we are in the last days before a third world war. The rise of Al-Quada and Iran is concern for all of us and when Iran gets its nuclear weapon, takes over Iraq, the last days before a third world war will have begun. While there is always a diplomatic way out, each day that becomes less likely.

Have a great day Brian:>)


Bladerunner

 

[Mihail]

Will you very angry against me if I say that I understand the terrorists that fight against yours countries ?

Let me explain this:
Either USA, either their best friends, UK, are powerful countries.
How can fight a small country with this superpowers ? The terrorism is, in my opinion, the single way.
Even the "terrorism" is, in my opinion, a word invented by this superpowers in order to blame those that fight against this superpowers and/or in order to legitimate their (I refer also to the superpowers) actions.

Show me, along the history, a small country that fight against an empire, in a free champ. It is not possible.
Remember Pyrrhus: One more victory like this and we'll be defeated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

So, the terrorism is the single weapon available in this very unequally battle.

Again, should not understand that I agree the terrorism.
But I disagree more the USA's politic.
In my opinion, USA is no more than a stealer that is hided behind the "democracy" word.

 

[Mihail]

@Bladerunner

Brian; In post #3527, I was simply replying to MIHAIL assertion that all wars were fought in the name of God.

I hope you are kidding here.
I said once and I'll repeat:
Any war, with no exception, has ECONOMICS causes.
The religion is a tool used to motivate the stupids. Nothing more.

 

[Bladerunner]

@Bladerunner

I hope you are kidding here.
I said once and I'll repeat:
Any war, with no exception, has ECONOMICS causes.
The religion is a tool used to motivate the stupids. Nothing more.

Wow----OK I misunderstood your posting then. My apologies.
The Islamic terrorists fight in the name of their God!

Terrorism is a way of fighting that puts terror into the opponents minds. You see this when someone wants to control a population. It does not control the population of a superpower but simply murder innocent people. When turkey falls, you should see the fireworks across the black sea. Keep your head low my friend.

Unfortunately you have to become the animal they are in order to think like them. The trick is not to lose control and stay that animal.


Have a nice day :>)

Bladerunner

 

[Mihail]

@Bladerunner

The Islamic terrorists fight in the name of their God!

YES. The stupids are motivated by religion, as I said.
But the true cause of this war is the OIL, not the gods.

It does not control the population of a superpower

Maybe, but is a try. Better than to become modern slaves in a "democracy" controlled by USA.
Tell me that this population has no fear after the big towers fall down, and I'll say that you lie.

but simply murder innocent people

Agree, but this is not quite "simply".
Maybe is simply for Americans to bomb Iraq or Yugoslavia because what you name "innocent people" because they are from New York, become "collateral victims" if they are not Americans.

It is a war here. And the gods are not guilty.
Or, maybe, they are because they have putted a great lake of oil under the Arabian's sand ? Is you who should have an answer for this because this problem is in your area of skills