Are you an atheist? (8 Viewers)

[nanscombe]

Not bad Mihail, I do keep an eye on what's going on around here, I just haven't posted a lot recently.

 

[Mihail]

Hello again !
I solved my issue and now I come back in order to disturb the believers.

What about a new direction in this thread?
How you understand the poll's results ?

In my opinion only the blue bar indicate the true atheists.
Why ? Because the red bar indicate another type of believers (non atheists): they believe, with no reason, and beyond the evidences, that is no god, nowhere. Exactly as a religious believer (the green bar) that think, with no evidences (please, don't tell me that the Bible is an evidence. Ask Rabbie; I'm sure that he can - as well as me - to write his own bible in a few months), that it is a god.

Yours opinions ?

 

[scott-atkinson]

I think deep down everybody wants to believe because they have been brought up in a culture where religion is taught in school in some form, but their logic and science gives them a different perspective..

If a being was to appear to me tomorrow and declare himself a God I would probably, be shocked, and then try to attack it...

Religion over the ages has been used as a reason that something that cannot be explained has happened, or is happening... as science has unlocked many of these mysteries, our use of Religion to explains things has been less and less...

I now find that Religion is used to explain things such as Disasters, like the Tsunami on Boxing Day in 2004, when we all know logically that it was caused by displacement of the earth's mantle under the sea causing a massive earth quake in the ocean, which Science has already proven that our earth is constantly shifting it's mantle plates... nothing remotely Godly about it...

Religion gives a lot of people hope in their darkest moments, and that is good, but in the same way that I feel enlightened after I have read a good book or have seen a powerful emotional movie that has moved me, or have been saddened by watching my children in pain, or been happy to see them happy..

Religion has had it's day... it is time to move on...

 

[Mihail]

If a being was to appear to me tomorrow and declare himself a God I would probably, be shocked, and then try to attack it...

I don't understand that you will "attack" it with weapons in order to kill that entity.. So, I think that no one should understand this .
I understand that you will try to convince yourself that that entity is, indeed, a god.
This approach is reasonable: "If you are a god, so you should have the properly tools in order to convince me about this. So, go on !"
This approach is not the same with a "true believer" 's approach:: "Will be impossible for you to show me an alternative because that not exist: read the Bible ! But we can talk; why not ?"

 

[Bladerunner]

I don't understand that you will "attack" it with weapons in order to kill that entity.. So, I think that no one should understand this .
I understand that you will try to convince yourself that that entity is, indeed, a god.
This approach is reasonable: "If you are a god, so you should have the properly tools in order to convince me about this. So, go on !"
This approach is not the same with a "true believer" 's approach:: "Will be impossible for you to show me an alternative because that not exist: read the Bible ! But we can talk; why not ?"

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Rem: One reversible CHOICE up until death. Make it a good one!

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Have a nice day :>)

Bladerunner

 

[scott-atkinson]

Attacking the Being was probably a bit harsh, but then things that people dont understand tends to scare them and when they get scared...

Of course if a being appeared to me and declared themselves to be a God, I would ask for proof, and would not be convinced until the being provided proof that was profoundly directed at myself and meant something meaningful to me...

For example, my Father was murdered when I was nine years old, nothing to do with God's will, a mentally disturbed person stabbed him. If a being was to convince me he was God, I would ask that he allow me to speak to my father just one last time in person, because if anybody could grant that wish, God could...

 

[Brianwarnock]

Be carefully what you ask for Scott . He might grant your wish by killing you so that you can speak to your father in the after life before you get transferred down to stoke the fires.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

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Rem: One reversible CHOICE up until death. Make it a good one!

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Have a nice day :>)

Bladerunner

I don't understand this.

Brian

 

[scott-atkinson]

Be carefully what you ask for Scott . He might grant your wish by killing you so that you can speak to your father in the after life before you get transferred down to stoke the fires.

Brian

Now that's a cheery thought Brian, I bet your a scream at Parties...

 

[Mihail]

@Scott
I'm sorry for your father and, of course, for you too.
Rest in peace.

Seems that you have your own understanding of the God .
Ask any believer and will find out that the Lord is, first of all, LOVE.
Because His infinite LOVE He allowed all this (and more) :http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ro/2008/04/bibles-greatest-massacres.html

On the other hand I appreciate that you have a way to test it (not say that Brian not warned you ) because I haven't.

But what about the poll's results ?
How you (all of you) interpret this results ?

PS (for Brian)
I can't see your vote in the poll

 

[Vassago]

How can you say for sure that this one being allowing you to speak to your "father" is God if he brings you to him or the other way around? What if he just has future technologies capable of implanting these images in your brain? What if he can actually read your mind for facts? You never know what exists outside this world.

 

[nanscombe]

Some mortals have been helping bereaved people to speak to deceased loved ones for years.

Although a lot of people seem to ridicule professional mediums these days.

 

[Brianwarnock]

PS (for Brian)
I can't see your vote in the poll

I thought that I had voted at the time of my first post #68, I will vote again

Brian

 

[Mihail]

How can you say for sure that this one being allowing you to speak to your "father" is God if he brings you to him or the other way around? What if he just has future technologies capable of implanting these images in your brain? What if he can actually read your mind for facts? You never know what exists outside this world.

I think that someone with a technology like this is so advanced than he/she will never try to induct in a brain the god idea. Or this "being" will not appear at all or, if will decide that is the time to do this, will try, by using all the arguments, to tell us that he/she IS NOT a god.

@Nigel

Although a lot of people seem to ridicule professional mediums these days.

That because the results haven't a decent a rate of repeatability.

 

[nanscombe]

I think that someone with a technology like this is so advanced than he/she will never try to induct in a brain the god idea. Or this "being" will not appear at all or, if will decide that is the time to do this, will try, by using all the arguments, to tell us that he/she IS NOT a god.

... unless it is in their interest to control / exploit the lower species.

There are plenty of Science fiction tales of such beings using a few parlour tricks to fool another, or other members of their own, species into slavery.

Stargate SG-1 with its Goa'uld and the Ori.

Star Trek with the God of Sha Ka Ree, from the film Star Trek V.

Then there was 'Q' from Star Trek: The Next Generation who was more mischievous than evil.

 

[Mihail]

... unless it is in their interest to control / exploit the lower species.

There are plenty of Science fiction tales of such beings using a few parlour tricks to fool another, or other members of their own, species into slavery.

... and of course that they fail because Bruce Willis (or a blond female)
BTW:
Do you know why Bruce Willis wasn't into the starring list of Titanic ?
Because he did save all the peoples (sorry for my grammar for the past; hope is still understandable).

I agree with the Star Trek idea, and I have some good reasons:

• When a civilization own such a technology will be a lot more expensive to turn us in believers in order to do some work for they then to use sophisticate machines.
• We are god's for the monkeys, but never try to transform all of them in slaves (even if some are used to catch fruits from trees)
• The ancient gods (as well as the actual Lord) don't ask for some work or products or money for they (Him).
  Their (His) "employes" ask for all of this in their (His) name.

and more.

One more joke (again you should translate this from my English in yours):
Every church ask for money from the believers. What really happen with this money ? Read here:

The Catholic priest:
I draw a circle (D = 1m) on the ground then I push the money to the sky.
When the money fall down, the sum inside the circle is for me and the rest for the Lord.
The Orthodox priest:
I do the same but I think that the sum of outside the circle is for me and the rest for Lord
The Jew priest (Rabin ?):
Oh, you are fullish peoples.
I do the same but with no circle.
The Lord keep from Himself how much He need and the rest are for me.

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Have a nice day !

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[Vassago]

I believe there are species out there who would be willing to control us. Just look at humans. We do it to "less advanced" humans. History proves that. Crusades? Native Americans?

 

[scott-atkinson]

I believe there are species out there who would be willing to control us. Just look at humans. We do it to "less advanced" humans. History proves that. Crusades? Native Americans?

What self respecting race of super intelligent beings wouldn't want a planet of 3 Billion able bodied slaves..

 

[youyiyang]

I chosen to 2 and have just seen the poll results that most people believe in God. Maybe the answer I chosen is weak for my belief is uncertain. Yes, I have confused by this for a long time. As I grew up in China, my original belief is Buddha which is ashiest and I loved the ways of thinking in Buddha in my childhood. But when I grow up later and maybe in Shanghai, the biggest city in China which is a real big hub for many many goods and thinking in this world, I prefer to believe in God several years ago especially when I thinking in a western manner. So I was confused. But later I get a conclusion that maybe the God and Buddha is two sides of a coin, a coin to ONE truth that they are not confusing. The point is the difference of looking angles. The Buddha thinking dominated China for thousands of years but modern Chinese young people rush to the Church, Why? I think maybe we, Chinese, are merging into the World. The people who believe in God created a world better than the Old China.Why not people live outside of China begin to believe in Buddha if China will be better than other parts of world in a future. Or, people can chose to his belief in his way as the world is becoming a family.
Sorry for my bad English and maybe unrelated to the question.

 

[David R]

Following the logic. Who did the American Natives take the land from? Somebody was here, it may have been Stone Aged Europeans. Hypothetically the Europeans could have a larger claim on the Americas then Native Americans. How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go.

You're just trolling now, right?

There was no 'Europe' in the Stone Age. Even if it WERE true that there were people here before the Native Americans (who likely crossed in from Siberia), that's nothing like what we did several hundred years ago through lies, backstabbing, and violence.