Are you an atheist? (1 Viewer)

[ConnorGiles]

Hi Connor, Believe we were talking about Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. with the exception of Hitler all were Marxist/communist// one step away from socialism. While Hitler was said to believe in God, his writings show that he did not and actually dispised the Jewish people.

Not for religious reasons may I add.

It has been argued that Atheism is not something would cause a person to kill innocent people but rather their agenda (i.e.. communism) vs. Religion where people were killed in the name of God. Yet, these lands were taken by ruthless people who killed and raped innocents as they went. When taking back this land that God gave them, yes, they kill as many as they could.

That is indeed an agenda, Atheism is a lack of religion. Next to no people have been killed because they choose to believe in a god rather than none at all.

I refer to the question I ask Galaxiom in a previous post. Apply this to your Europe and answer it. What would you do? If you could not ra** a small child or cut up an old person then you have morals that you got from somewhere, certainly not from atheism. I'll even bet you got them from religion. So, no matter what you say, you have a little religion in you somewhere and probably using the veil of Atheism to suit you lifestyle

That would actually be decency, all acts of kindness did not come from a religious source Blade. Some would even argue that it comes down to a primal instinct of "If I help them now, They will help me later".

And as I have said before, Atheism is a lack of religion. Not a veil - The only difference between atheism and theism is the absence of (so called) god/s

I can assure you, No religion is present in me Hey I just came back from Rome (which is an extremely religious city) and visited multiple churches and even the Vatican to marvel at the architecture (I must say I had a good time). I do appreciate what religion has motivated but in no way has this influenced my opinion that there is a god.

Much like college students of today, they throw off the label of Christianity in order to fit into the immoral lifestyles of some with very Liberal views. No matter what you say, 85-90% of Americans (via a poll) believe in God. That is a far cry from the poll taken from this thread and is also a far cry from any polls taken in the European theater. Atheism is alive an growing over there where you are... Wonder Why?

You didn't say which god that entails. There are a multitude of religions alive within the US and many have their own gods. In your religion it states there is only 1 god. so lets round that number down to how many of you over there are christian or catholic or muslim etc...

Also their are a multitude of reasons why someone would become an atheist rather than a theist such as feeling abandoned (which would lead to the opinion god was never there) finding their own significant reasons as to why their couldn't be a god and the list continues.

And one more thing - just did a quick search on your statistics, where are you getting them from? My search came up with 69.5% believe in a personal god (again not stating which, so this includes all of them - May I remind you this includes the spaghetti monster )

EDIT: Reading up I noticed your percentage has risen a whole 5-10%! where is this coming from ?!

 

[Bladerunner]

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And as I have said before, Atheism is a lack of religion. Not a veil - The only difference between atheism and theism is the absence of (so called) god/s ...

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the absence of morals and presence of what 'nothing is off limits'. Atheism---Nothingness. we came from nothing, The universe came from nothing or was here all along, we just simply appeared on day which would explain why we all have about 95% of the same DNA???RIGHT?

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I can assure you, No religion is present in me Hey I just came back from Rome (which is an extremely religious city) and visited multiple churches and even the Vatican to marvel at the architecture (I must say I had a good time). I do appreciate what religion has motivated but in no way has this influenced my opinion that there is a god...

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I can assure you that those same churches and others as well were beautiful however, they did not persuade me to become Catholic. What has this got to do with the "price of eggs"?????

Bladerunner #4748: Much like college students of today, they throw off the label of Christianity in order to fit into the immoral lifestyles of some with very Liberal views. No matter what you say, 85-90% of Americans (via a poll) believe in God. That is a far cry from the poll taken from this thread and is also a far cry from any polls taken in the European theater. Atheism is alive an growing over there where you are... Wonder Why?

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You didn't say which god that entails. There are a multitude of religions alive within the US and many have their own gods. In your religion it states there is only 1 god. so lets round that number down to how many of you over there are christian or catholic or muslim etc...

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the Hebrew God, Catholic God and Christian God are all the same from the same books written 2500 years ago. Islam was written in 600 AD by Mohammed (their so-called prophet). If you want to know about his activities, killing, raping, marrying underage children, then read the Sunnah and the Hadif. The Koran looks like a pussy cat to them.

To be fair there are other religions that believe in a God but most of these are 'Gods unto themselves'. Pagans, Satanist, etc.

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Also their are a multitude of reasons why someone would become an atheist rather than a theist such as feeling abandoned (which would lead to the opinion god was never there) finding their own significant reasons as to why their couldn't be a god and the list continues....

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Yes, there is but I was speaking of college students and other lifestyles outside the morals taught in the Bible. It all boils down to Morals. Since we came from a Primordial ooze and sprang from an animal or primate, our only thought is to Kill , for food and territory. Where did you get your morals. I got mine from the Bible. Tell me, where did man get his morals if all men (everybody) were products of random events. SOmething sprang from nothingness.

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And one more thing - just did a quick search on your statistics, where are you getting them from? My search came up with 69.5% believe in a personal god (again not stating which, so this includes all of them - May I remind you this includes the spaghetti monster )

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http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/Americans-Continue-Believe-God.aspx
I did not say Christians, I said
"Believed in >>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!!!!!!God!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"
9 out of 10 or 90% I was pretty close, NO????????????????

Blade

 

[ConnorGiles]

the absence of morals and presence of what 'nothing is off limits'. Atheism---Nothingness. we came from nothing, The universe came from nothing or was here all along, we just simply appeared on day which would explain why we all have about 95% of the same DNA???RIGHT?

This comment actually states how little you know about how evolution works.

I can assure you that those same churches and others as well were beautiful however, they did not persuade me to become Catholic. What has this got to do with the "price of eggs"?????

Religious Conversion through achitectural means, not unheard of.

the Hebrew God, Catholic God and Christian God are all the same from the same books written 2500 years ago. Islam was written in 600 AD by Mohammed (their so-called prophet). If you want to know about his activities, killing, raping, marrying underage children, then read the Sunnah and the Hadif. The Koran looks like a pussy cat to them.

To be fair there are other religions that believe in a God but most of these are 'Gods unto themselves'. Pagans, Satanist, etc.

If I'm not mistaken, That was a religious 'Dig' at the Islamic religion.

One good thing about atheism, we have no profound dislike for a certain religion. We just disagree with all of them.

Yes, there is but I was speaking of college students and other lifestyles outside the morals taught in the Bible. It all boils down to Morals. Since we came from a Primordial ooze and sprang from an animal or primate, our only thought is to Kill , for food and territory. Where did you get your morals. I got mine from the Bible. Tell me, where did man get his morals if all men (everybody) were products of random events. SOmething sprang from nothingness.

So you are narrowing down the poll base to fit your argument? - Didn't I slightly cover this in my previous comment. Common interest is a primal instinct. "If I help him now, He helps me later" - The same could be said for being nice. What about all of those years BC - Did they just run out in the streets slicing anyone they wanted? No...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/Americans-Continue-Believe-God.aspx
I did not say Christians, I said
"Believed in >>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!!!!!!God!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"
9 out of 10 or 90% I was pretty close, NO????????????????

Blade

Very Inaccurate source Blade, For starts it doesn't say how many were asked? could have been 10 people in a church.

Also don't you see, Only 3 religions you mentioned have the same god. So you simply proclaim the other religions are liars or are false? I would say they would say the same about your own religion Blade. You cannot see how much your percentage would change if the question was adjusted to "How many people believe in the Christian,Catholic,Hebrew God?"

And can I just add to a previous statement you made - "Why is there a growing atheist base in europe?".

That may be down to the fact that when days pass, Evidence is found. With every morsel of evidence is another reason to retract the idea of a deity.


(In my opinion!)

Personally I can see why humans created such a being. To have hope, To have control (The hierarchy), To have someone to blame (Satan). But as time passes the need for this almighty deity decreases. Just like an Imaginary friend does as a child.

Let me expand on the control point to my above paragraph. Watching that video you linked on the debate, Hitchens raised some quite valid points.

Religion is everything a predatory creature needs to have power over its prey. The pope is worshipped as the closest to god, he doesn't need money as everything is paid for and provided and I'm pretty sure his seconds have the same treatment.

What Predator wouldn't take first class treatment and power for free?

(Remember, It's My Opinion)

 

[Galaxiom]

If someone invaded you home land (Aussie for short), killed, maimed, your kin folk, coutnrymen and pushed you to the ends of your land next to the sea and all of a sudden you had someone come in and say, ok go ahead and attack them, I will give you protection, however while your at it, kill every living enemy Man, woman and child.

Throughout history ruthless people have motivated and justified genocide on the word of some god. The formula varies little. Vilify the target, portray them as a threat, whip up hysteria, kill them and take what was theirs.

Tribes such as the Hebrews of the Old Testament claimed that they prevailed in this slaughter through the "grace" of their god. However the outcome is indistinguishable for the Hebrews simply being a very violent and aggressive tribe. This seems far more plausible.

Moreover, the Hebrew massacres were not as you described. The Hebrews were the invaders. They showed up from Egypt claiming that their god had given "The Promised Land" to "The Chosen Race" and proceeded to massacre everyone who lived there because their God told them to.

When two tribes tricked the Hebrews into a peace treaty they were punished by enslavement for their "deceit". Abrahamic religion, including Christianity, is not and never has been about peace.

The Bible is nothing more than the trumped up musings of profoundly arrogant primitive misogynists with an obsession for death and bloody sacrifice.

 

[Galaxiom]

the Hebrew God, Catholic God and Christian God are all the same from the same books written 2500 years ago. Islam was written in 600 AD by Mohammed (their so-called prophet).

Islam he same God by another name. It is based on the same old exaggerated myths that originate from preliterate times. They too eagerly await Armageddon where their god will slaughter all those not part of their cult.

Yes, there is but I was speaking of college students and other lifestyles outside the morals taught in the Bible. It all boils down to Morals.

The faithful love to claim the Bible is the source of morality. Far from being a worthy moral guide the Bible is littered with examples of sickeningly primitive philosophy. It exalts the worst of human behaviours including genocide, slavery, ra** and incest.

It teaches that punishment is applied for four generations. Worse still God punishes all women for eternity with "increased pain of childbirth" because Eve disobeyed Him. God's psychopathic attitudes are far from "forgiveness" but are tools of fear to manipulate people.

The world will not know peace until our societies shake off the monotheist religions of Abraham's minions.

 

[Bladerunner]

You know, that REALLY irks me, because the day after 9/11, Cheney called Dick Clark (the civil servant, not the TV guy) into his office and relayed the message that the administration had determined that Iraq was behind the attacks, and that Dick had better find the evidence.

Hell, people who worked on the 2000 campaign have come out and said that, before the elections were even over, Bush and Cheney were working on plans for invading Iraq.

you are really gullable aren't you??.... Its all Bush's fault eight years after a change in the administration. a pity

 

[Bladerunner]

This comment actually states how little you know about how evolution works.

Oh, and what that be,,,,,now be specific. lets hear your version of Evolution and not a URL. Did or did we not come out of nothing.???????Hummmmmmm. Lets hear it., I am all ears.

Religious Conversion through achitectural means, not unheard of.

OK,,,,I thinK??????

If I'm not mistaken, That was a religious 'Dig' at the Islamic religion..

Yes it is, It does not believe in Jesus Christ who only ask everyone to love thy neighbor. Islam states if you are a non-believer, you are to die.

One good thing about atheism, we have no profound dislike for a certain religion. We just disagree with all of them.

Yeah, I agree we need to make it easy for you atheist and everyone else. Make One Decision. What is so hard about that. Quit crying, you made yours. Hopefully, God will give you enough time before you die to reevaluate your (todays) decision. ummmm. one other question: If you (Atheist) have no profound dislike for religion then why is your agenda geared toward getting rid of Religion. Atheism cannot compete nor can it survive in large numbers where there is religion.

So you are narrowing down the poll base to fit your argument? - Didn't I slightly cover this in my previous comment. Common interest is a primal instinct. "If I help him now, He helps me later" - The same could be said for being nice. What about all of those years BC - Did they just run out in the streets slicing anyone they wanted? No...

No, the poll base was the same as I stated in the other post. you are just trying to change it. Yes, Primal Instincts,,,,,,we protect our stuff. and ourselves. ......."The If I help him now, he Helps me Later" statement is the mentality used in communes. everybody helps everybody and everybody gets to eat. Only the ruling class of this commune eats a little better. Sorry,,,,,,,, even a socialist nation has a ruling class and a working class, which are you going to be in????????? as far as BC is concerned, you mean like the BC now happening over in the Middle East. ISIS. Killing innocent women/ children who don't believe and never did nothing to harm them or their sect, kin, nation, etc.. Is that what they (in BC times)were defending against? you and I just don't know now do we? I guess you are just going to sit there and let them kill you friends, neighbors and loved ones for not believing because that is their goal. Beside Christians, you Atheist and Gays are at the top of their list. Good luck with the pity pleading.

Very Inaccurate source Blade, For starts it doesn't say how many were asked? could have been 10 people in a church.

I suppose you have a more accurate poll, say one with 8 out or 10 people being atheist???????????? I have no Idea who they used for the polls, I would assume they are right (especially the GALLUP polls) or they would go bankrupt. Sorry don't buy you reasoning here.

Also don't you see, Only 3 religions you mentioned have the same god. So you simply proclaim the other religions are liars or are false? I would say they would say the same about your own religion Blade. You cannot see how much your percentage would change if the question was adjusted to "How many people believe in the Christian,Catholic,Hebrew God?"

Yes, The Catholic and Christianity (Gentiles) believe in Jesus Christ. The Jewish people believe in Jesus but have a problem with having to go through him to get to the Father (GOD). The bible predicted this and stated that they will turn away from his commands and be punished by having to go through the tribulations. In the end, it is stated they will come back to God (as they have done so many times in the past). Either way, the results would be the same. Do you Believe in GOD? YES

And can I just add to a previous statement you made - "Why is there a growing atheist base in europe?".
That may be down to the fact that when days pass, Evidence is found. With every morsel of evidence is another reason to retract the idea of a deity.

or maybe down to the fact that liberalism / socialism is abound in the European Union. Along with these, goes Atheism.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Sorry Galaxiom, cannot get to your post at this time but will address it shortly.
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Blade

 

[ConnorGiles]

Oh, and what that be,,,,,now be specific. lets hear your version of Evolution and not a URL. Did or did we not come out of nothing.???????Hummmmmmm. Lets hear it., I am all ears.

There are many Theories behind how we started out Blade. Latest one is that the world and the universes always existed. Personally I would put it down to chance that a certain combination of cells and the exact right circumstances happened and it went from there. The evolutionary ladder. We took millions upon millions of years to get here through countless evolutionary forms through genetic mutations. When one form of genetic adaption proved to be better suited to the environment then that trait would live on through the next generations until we are here today.

Please tell me how you can justify dinosaur remains and many other animals fossils found?

Or snakes that are born with legs? the list goes on...

Yes it is, It does not believe in Jesus Christ who only ask everyone to love thy neighbor. Islam states if you are a non-believer, you are to die.

But yet if you don't believe in Jesus Christ you are damned to an eternity of damnation and pain. Every religion is just as bad. It is those sorts of consequences that scare people into believing.

Yeah, I agree we need to make it easy for you atheist and everyone else. Make One Decision. What is so hard about that. Quit crying, you made yours. Hopefully, God will give you enough time before you die to reevaluate your (todays) decision. ummmm. one other question: If you (Atheist) have no profound dislike for religion then why is your agenda geared toward getting rid of Religion. Atheism cannot compete nor can it survive in large numbers where there is religion.

We have no agenda, (Well I don't) - I personally couldn't care less if you believe in God, Allah, Jeff from over the fence. All the same to me.

No crying here either, Just stating that without evidence all you have is faith.
But what is a god without faith? If you prove god exists then faith wouldn't be needed and then god would cease to exist. The perfect cover.

"I say there is a god, Don't try and prove him to be real otherwise he won't exist - But if you don't believe in him, He will be angry and sentence you to pain and damnation for eternity after you die."

No, the poll base was the same as I stated in the other post. you are just trying to change it. Yes, Primal Instincts,,,,,,we protect our stuff. and ourselves. ......."The If I help him now, he Helps me Later" statement is the mentality used in communes. everybody helps everybody and everybody gets to eat. Only the ruling class of this commune eats a little better. Sorry,,,,,,,, even a socialist nation has a ruling class and a working class, which are you going to be in????????? as far as BC is concerned, you mean like the BC now happening over in the Middle East. ISIS. Killing innocent women/ children who don't believe and never did nothing to harm them or their sect, kin, nation, etc.. Is that what they (in BC times)were defending against? you and I just don't know now do we? I guess you are just going to sit there and let them kill you friends, neighbors and loved ones for not believing because that is their goal. Beside Christians, you Atheist and Gays are at the top of their list. Good luck with the pity pleading.

I'm not trying to change anything, You are trying to narrow a poll to make your argument sound better. Primal instincts are a given in any species. Maybe even supplied via evolution.

Why would I let them? Just because I am an atheist doesn't mean I won't interfere via physical means. Another thing, Why do you separate gays from religion or atheism? Can't Gays be religious or atheist or is that just your opinion? Personally I know a few Christian gay couples.

I suppose you have a more accurate poll, say one with 8 out or 10 people being atheist???????????? I have no Idea who they used for the polls, I would assume they are right (especially the GALLUP polls) or they would go bankrupt. Sorry don't buy you reasoning here.

I never claimed to have an accurate poll, but given your poll doesn't say where these people were polled or even how many really does take down its credibility. They could have asked 10 people in a church. Ofcourse the most part of them would be religious. By the way an answer to your 8-10 people being atheist, (maybe even more) poll a room full of evolutionary scientists.

Yes, The Catholic and Christianity (Gentiles) believe in Jesus Christ. The Jewish people believe in Jesus but have a problem with having to go through him to get to the Father (GOD). The bible predicted this and stated that they will turn away from his commands and be punished by having to go through the tribulations. In the end, it is stated they will come back to God (as they have done so many times in the past). Either way, the results would be the same.

Ahh, religious predictions - they've always turned out so well.

Here's a few : http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/04/six-failed-bible-prophecies/

Do you Believe in GOD? YES

NO

or maybe down to the fact that liberalism / socialism is abound in the European Union. Along with these, goes Atheism.

OR maybe each individual person has a choice (As you said did you not?) If they choose not to believe in god due to credible evidence found via evolution and other means, then that's okay with me.

 

[Frothingslosh]

The Bible is nothing more than the trumped up musings of profoundly arrogant primitive misogynists with an obsession for death and bloody sacrifice.

To be fair, most of the teachings attributed directly to Jesus are fairly benevolent and enlightened, especially for their time.

It's just a crying shame that most Christians ignore them in favor of good old Old Testament hatred and bloodshed. And don't even get me started on Peter's influence and apparent misogyny.

 

[Brianwarnock]

One thing that is puzzling me is that people are stating catholic and Christian as separate religions. I think this was started by Bladerunner but not sure.

I am certain that all of the Catholics I know consider themselves Christians, so could anyone who has mentioned them separately please explain why?

Brian

 

[Frothingslosh]

Bladerunner did once make a statement that implied that he thought Catholic and Christian were two different things, but in his defense, when I called him in it he did say that he knew both were Christian.

That said, a lot of the REALLY right-wing Protestants think Catholics aren't Christian (just go look up Jack Chick - I'll wait), and it's a common error made by many non-Christians as well.

Insomuch as Christianity is defined by belief in Jesus being the prophesied Messiah, Catholics are most definitely Christian. What they absolutely are NOT is Protestant.

 

[Brianwarnock]

What they absolutely are NOT is Protestant.

Don't I know it! I had one Catholic and one Irish Protestant parent, how they got together I don't know but their families did not like it and showing the usual Christian tolerance did not speak to each other, infact I think my Protestant grandparents only tolerated my mother in order to see their grand kids.

Brian

 

[Galaxiom]

Don't I know it! I had one Catholic and one Irish Protestant parent,

Not so different from this old song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqs4EbU02As

Religion has always been a factor to arbitrarily separate people and put them in conflict.

 

[Frothingslosh]

Don't I know it! I had one Catholic and one Irish Protestant parent, how they got together I don't know but their families did not like it and showing the usual Christian tolerance did not speak to each other, infact I think my Protestant grandparents only tolerated my mother in order to see their grand kids.

Brian

You too, huh? My Catholic maternal grandparents disowned my mother after she married my Protestant father.

 

[Bladerunner]

Throughout history ruthless people have motivated and justified genocide on the word of some god. The formula varies little. Vilify the target, portray them as a threat, whip up hysteria, kill them and take what was theirs.

Tribes such as the Hebrews of the Old Testament claimed that they prevailed in this slaughter through the "grace" of their god. However the outcome is indistinguishable for the Hebrews simply being a very violent and aggressive tribe. This seems far more plausible.

Moreover, the Hebrew massacres were not as you described. The Hebrews were the invaders. They showed up from Egypt claiming that their god had given "The Promised Land" to "The Chosen Race" and proceeded to massacre everyone who lived there because their God told them to.

When two tribes tricked the Hebrews into a peace treaty they were punished by enslavement for their "deceit". Abrahamic religion, including Christianity, is not and never has been about peace.

The Bible is nothing more than the trumped up musings of profoundly arrogant primitive misogynists with an obsession for death and bloody sacrifice.

can you give me a reason why you think the Hebrews were the invaders when all evidence points to the Assyrians? Are you talking about the Bronze (early, middle, or late)or the beginning of the Iron Age. If you want to study the bible just tell me, I will gladly help you out.

Keep in mind that in the early days times were hard, people illiterate and wars were ongoing.

Or may be you were talking about Immanuel Velikovsky who published Ages in Chaos. Maybe Israeli archeologist Rudolph Cohen work on the invading armies of MBI or maybe Italian archeologist Immanuel Anati conclusions about the invasion of Israelites in the Early Bronze Age vs the invasion the same cities during the Iron Age.

Really need you to be specific here. Atheist books will not help you. They only lie about anything that would get in the way of their agendas. Your going to have to dig a little deeper.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Islam he same God by another name. It is based on the same old exaggerated myths that originate from preliterate times. They too eagerly await Armageddon where their god will slaughter all those not part of their cult.

You are right of course. Whether we await the coming Armageddon as a living person or a corpse matters not, since it will still be coming. The prophecies of the Bible are being fulfilled with the events in the middle east on a daily basis. A slaughter you say. Is it not what will/would happen to all those who believe(Christians, Catholics and Hebrew) from the leader (an Atheist) that will lead the world to the last war? Believe they call him or she the 'Anti-Christ'. Christians and Hebrews are already being persecuted at an alarmingly increasing rate.

As far as the God and Islam, again it was written 600 AD ---AD (after Death of Christ) by a Nut that claimed he was a prophet and everyone had to live as he lived to go to heaven. The there is this::

Lo! We did reveal the At-Taurah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And barter not My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.
—Quran, sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayat 44[1]
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The faithful love to claim the Bible is the source of morality. Far from being a worthy moral guide the Bible is littered with examples of sickeningly primitive philosophy. It exalts the worst of human behaviours including genocide, slavery, ra** and incest.

And you got your Morals from??????????????????????

It teaches that punishment is applied for four generations. Worse still God punishes all women for eternity with "increased pain of childbirth" because Eve disobeyed Him. God's psychopathic attitudes are far from "forgiveness" but are tools of fear to manipulate people.

It would appear that we all lost that faithful day. We could have been living in paradise but then ,,,well you know the story. Of course if we di live in paradise, you would not be a atheist/?
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The world will not know peace until our societies shake off the monotheist religions of Abraham's minions.

And the only way to shake off this religion is Genocide! What say you?
I believe that has and is still being tried as we speak.
Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

There are many Theories behind how we started out Blade. Latest one is that the world and the universes always existed. Personally I would put it down to chance that a certain combination of cells and the exact right circumstances happened and it went from there. The evolutionary ladder. We took millions upon millions of years to get here through countless evolutionary forms through genetic mutations. When one form of genetic adaption proved to be better suited to the environment then that trait would live on through the next generations until we are here today.

Please tell me how you can justify dinosaur remains and many other animals fossils found?

Or snakes that are born with legs? the list goes on...

Lets see, ,,,,,,amphibians into reptiles, dinosaurs too. Question? has a skeleton of a land animal that is in the transition phase, say Amphibian to Dinosaur, etc. Just one now would be sufficient to confirm the evolutionist theory. God made all land animals on the sixth day,,,,,,,same birhtday as Adam and Eve.

But yet if you don't believe in Jesus Christ you are damned to an eternity of damnation and pain. Every religion is just as bad. It is those sorts of consequences that scare people into believing.

No ethernity of pain and damnation. the 'lake of fire and brimstone' is the second death, a kind of final death where no erserrection can take place. Poof Gone. Or live in paradise for believing in Jesus and following his teachings. No second death here.

The Koran, Hadif and Sannah provide all the evidence you need to determine for yourself if Islam is a peaceful religion. Jesus says to love thy neighbor, Islam wants to kill you for no believing.REgardless as to what they say, Islam is not a peaceful religion, thus is not part of the Christian network or the Hebrew/Jewish faith.

We have no agenda, (Well I don't) - I personally couldn't care less if you believe in God, Allah, Jeff from over the fence. All the same to me.

No crying here either, Just stating that without evidence all you have is faith.
But what is a god without faith? If you prove god exists then faith wouldn't be needed and then god would cease to exist. The perfect cover.

"I say there is a god, Don't try and prove him to be real otherwise he won't exist - But if you don't believe in him, He will be angry and sentence you to pain and damnation for eternity after you die."

Good deal!

Why would I let them? Just because I am an atheist doesn't mean I won't interfere via physical means. Another thing, Why do you separate gays from religion or atheism? Can't Gays be religious or atheist or is that just your opinion? Personally I know a few Christian gay couples.

A Christian Gay? is as I stated before, 'They will have their day in court the same as all of us do. It is not my job to judge them. "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Have you ever ween a Chrisitan Atheist. Like Positive and Negative Anti-matter

I never claimed to have an accurate poll, but given your poll doesn't say where these people were polled or even how many really does take down its credibility. They could have asked 10 people in a church. Ofcourse the most part of them would be religious. By the way an answer to your 8-10 people being atheist, (maybe even more) poll a room full of evolutionary scientists.

The Gallop polls are one of the most respected, supposedly accurate poll in the USA. Evolutionary Scientist have a world view of Naturalism which contain Atheism, Existentialism and Agnosticism. Same difference to me and others that are Theist.

Ahh, religious predictions - they've always turned out so well.

Here's a few : http://madmikesamerica.com/2011/04/six-failed-bible-prophecies/
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OR maybe each individual person has a choice (As you said did you not?) If they choose not to believe in god due to credible evidence found via evolution and other means, then that's okay with me.

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Yes you have a choice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I was just showing you other credible evidence on the other side of the coin.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

To be fair, most of the teachings attributed directly to Jesus are fairly benevolent and enlightened, especially for their time.

It's just a crying shame that most Christians ignore them in favor of good old Old Testament hatred and bloodshed. And don't even get me started on Peter's influence and apparent misogyny.

Go ahead and lets get into Peters teachings if you want to. it won't hurt my feelings.

 

[Bladerunner]

Galaxiom you spoke of God approving slavery, ra**, etc. Here are some verses for your reading!\\

"He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)

NT on slavery

Since many of the early Christians were slaves to Romans, they were encouraged to become free if possible, but not worry about it if not possible. The Roman empire practiced involuntary slavery, so rules were established for Christians who were subject to this slavery or held slaves prior to becoming Christians. The rules established for slaves were similar to those established for other Christians with regard to being subject to governing authorities. Slaves were told to be obedient to their master and serve them sincerely, as if serving the Lord Himself. Paul instructed slaves to serve with honor, so that Christianity would not be looked down upon.


Contrary to the claims of many skeptics, the New Testament proclaims that all people are equal in the eyes of God - even slaves:

• There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)
• knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. (Ephesians 6:8)
• And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him. (Ephesians 6:9)
• a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all. (Colossians 3:11)

The Hebrews were slaves to Egypt prior to the Exodus. After 400 years, God almost destroyed Egypt before the Pharaoh let his people GO!




Blade