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For the remarkably late carbon dating to make any sense they would have to explain how the bones were found in Jurassic strata.

Science relies on coherent results. Where there is no coherence the only conclusion that can be reached is the data is faulty. The strata is obviously considerably more reliable than the carbon dating.

The sensible conclusion is that the sample has been contaminated with much younger carbon.

Funny how only theistic scientists ever come up with such implausible results.

OH, Another controversial area. Here is a creation scientific site article written by another Doc Man (PhD.), Steven A. Austin, Ph.D.

http://www.icr.org/article/ten-misconceptions-about-geologic-column/


I know, I know it is junk Science,,,,,,just like the secular science is.........
Simply weight the facts, they are layed out by Dr. Austin???? Another Choice for you......



Blade



 
I don't need doubt to know God exist but there are those out there that have doubts themselves and are tittering on the fence. You atheist must prove that the Earth and the Heavens were not made by God beyond a shaddow of a doubt (Evolution). With all your secular scientific methods, results, theories and Laws either under controversial or have been proven wrong, You Have Failed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and so has Darwins Theory of Evolution

Blade
Blade why can't you understand that there is no problem in accepting both God and Evolution for many Christians. The main stream Christian churches here in the UK believes that evolution is part of God's plan and so reject your theory that it is an atheist conspiracy. You really need to look at all the evidence not just the pieces that suit your somewhat restricted view.

I agree with The Doc Man that you have a perfect right to believe what you want even if those beliefs are contrary to all the evidence available
 
Blade why can't you understand that there is no problem in accepting both God and Evolution for many Christians. The main stream Christian churches here in the UK believes that evolution is part of God's plan and so reject your theory that it is an atheist conspiracy. You really need to look at all the evidence not just the pieces that suit your somewhat restricted view.

I agree with The Doc Man that you have a perfect right to believe what you want even if those beliefs are contrary to all the evidence available
While evolution process are your talking about Rabbie: The one that we evolved from the sea or the one that we do change according to our environment in very small increments. We also evolve via procreation. Two parents of differing genetics. (i.e. My grandfather was 6.6 and that was many years ago during lean times--Great depression)....My father 5.7 mother 5.2. Me about 6.0 and my son is 6.4 during better times than I had. My grandfathers genetics is coming thru after all those years. So if you are talking about the genetics evolution and some small changes caused by the environment then Yes, I agree but we did not come from the sea. Besides it would take millions of years if the first evolution I spoke of had any kind of chance of working. We now know that those millions of years did not happen because of faulty assumptions. At least not by the evidence those of this thread have offered.

If the Canteberry Archbishop believes in the 1st part of evolution he is not much of a Christian now is he, because GOD said he created Adam from the dust during the 6th day.

Yeah I read what DocMan stated. I will and do have a belief but like you I try to punch holes in your so-call science and all that junk evidence you tout as the end it all tale.. That is the secular science that is trying its best to prove there is no GOD. They have pretty much have had their way until recent years.

I believe that is the same as you are doing just from the other side. So, I , You , DocMan and others agree to disagree. Just don't change the subject to that "You can believe what you want to crap" You have the same option,,, Its called a "CHOICE". But that lets your science off the hook does it not?


Blade
 
The good news of this thread is we will all find out if God exists before its finished.

Either the second coming will occur - or we will all have died and burned for eternity or not.

Life's short - why waste it here? Especially those who think this is the only life they are getting.

Atheism hasn't afforded much meaning or direction to life seemingly!
 
Anthony - Atheism (and, for that matter, religion) cannot offer meaning or direction to life - though for different reasons.

Religion, because it is a choice and because it is possible to change religions, cannot offer you meaning or direction until you have chosen your religion - and you have several vastly different religions from which to choose. First, you have Judaism, Christianity (a few hundred sects/denominations thereof), and Islam are based on the Abrahamic God. Each of them has some differences. Then you have Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, and many other religions. Each of them offers different directions.

Atheism cannot offer you meaning or direction because we generally do not believe that there is a general and uniform purpose to life. Purpose is a matter of our individual choice. I.e. WE choose, define, and develop our purpose. We don't wait for some mystical being to direct us, particularly since it is our belief that no such being exists.

We believe that the religious people among us define their purpose in the act of choosing their religion. Of course, some children don't even have that right since their parents apply all sorts of pressure to force children into some religious belief. I must admit that it took me a long time to overcome the religious indoctrination (akin to brainwashing or operant conditioning) imposed on me by my parents. After that, I had to learn one of the few lessons in the Bible that is actually worth anything - forgiveness. I had to learn how to forgive them for passing along unsubstantiated lies as though it were truth.
 
Blade -

Besides it would take millions of years if the first evolution I spoke of had any kind of chance of working. We now know that those millions of years did not happen because of faulty assumptions. At least not by the evidence those of this thread have offered.

Peer-reviewed articles in reputable journals have shown that the millions of required years did, indeed, exist. If you cannot provide peer-reviewed scholarly articles proving the short life span of the Earth then you have nothing.

You talk a lot about how you feel that the pieces-parts of your Bible come together. But as it happens, the pieces-parts of peer-reviewed articles in geology, biology, astronomy, paleontology, archaeology, etc. DO come together to paint a much older picture of the Earth than your feeble myopic viewpoint produces. The 4.3 billion years that is the current estimated age of the Earth is well-accepted among scientific communities. You complain because there wasn't enough time for the species evolution to occur. But if you figure that mutation, adaptation, and other processes had literally hundreds of millions of years to occur, the odds tip in our favor.

Science follows a method of observation and experiment to explain something based on new data or new theories. Creation science follows a method of attempting to tear down established scientific facts and principles. If you read an article that tries to tear down some law or principle and does not offer an equally good alternative that fits the facts, then the article is often a pile of junk. Let me also point out that a "peer reviewed" article usually does not mean that some bishop somewhere thinks the article is right - unless the bishop ALSO has a degree in some useful field.

Take, for example, Fr. Lemaitre, the college mathematician and Jesuit priest who devised the basics of the first viewpoint on the Big Bang theory. He was well aware of the Biblical admonitions to STUDY that which God had created. He studied them. Came up with the BB theory.

OK, so we study the stars, because Genesis says God created them. We have a name for the study - astronomy - but we are still studying the things your Bible tells us God has made. Then there are the animals and plants (Zoology and Botany). Again, you are admonished to study that which God has made. We have names for the study, but does that invalidate the results of the study? God supposedly made the Earth, so when we study its structure, does it matter that we call that study Geology?

According to your Bible, we were given dominion over the Earth, its plants, and its animals, and were told to study them. So WHY should we ignore what we find when we were told to look in the first place? That is one of many questions that religious folks cannot answer adequately for me.

Now, when we study those topics and develop a method of rigorously validating those results, and we then find a way to disseminate the results via technical journals, tell me where we have gone wrong. WHY do you not accept that the tech journals are merely a formalized way of studying and disseminating that which we have learned? And why do you not realize that religious journals have a hidden (but not very well hidden) agenda?
 
Wait, now Blade is quoting from the Young-Earth Creationist playbook? Around a year ago, he said he accepted that the Earth is billions of years old. I wonder WTF happened to make him change his mind and go COMPLETELY Pre-millenial Dispensationalist on us.
 
Wait, now Blade is quoting from the Young-Earth Creationist playbook? Around a year ago, he said he accepted that the Earth is billions of years old. I wonder WTF happened to make him change his mind and go COMPLETELY Pre-millenial Dispensationalist on us.

I believe I also stated that a time distortion (warp) also happened. I believe those little radio-halos help show this is what happened. But then that is junk science.

Hey Frothy;;;;;;;; long time not speak?

Blade
 
I believe I also stated that a time distortion (warp) also happened. I believe those little radio-halos help show this is what happened. But then that is junk science.

Hey Frothy;;;;;;;; long time not speak?

Blade

I think he said he's blocked you - so can only see it when others quote you!


When Blade continues to argue that the Bible is fact and that scientests are religious fanatics who worship science and are too closed-minded to accept facts, did you honestly expect people to just let him slide? I can't even see his posts and was rolling my eyes just at the things that are showing in the quotes.

I doubt he'll like me saying so. But hopefully I have interpreted what he has already stated correctly.
 
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Civil discussion please! I know we keep a pretty slack environment and welcome heated debates, but personal attacks are not welcome, especially at certain levels.

It's just the internet. There's no reason to get angry because someone doesn't agree with your point of view. This is especially true with religious topics as it's almost impossible to change someone's mind, especially on a forum. If you feel yourself getting angry, take a break, go for a walk, stretch and try to calm down before making another post. You'd be surprised how silly you realize it really is to get mad at a screen.

We're all adults here, I think... ;)
 
Civil discussion please! I know we keep a pretty slack environment and welcome heated debates, but personal attacks are not welcome, especially at certain levels.

It's just the internet. There's no reason to get angry because someone doesn't agree with your point of view. This is especially true with religious topics as it's almost impossible to change someone's mind, especially on a forum. If you feel yourself getting angry, take a break, go for a walk, stretch and try to calm down before making another post. You'd be surprised how silly you realize it really is to get mad at a screen.

We're all adults here, I think... ;)
 
I came across this site. I would be interested to know how those who believe that the bible is the absolute truth regard these contradictions.
Please don't try to pretend that they don't exist and treat this as a serious question.
 
You know what, screw this.

Other than the 'whackjob' comment, which I'll freely admit was definitely a personal attack, everything else in the post Vassago deleted was a simple statement of fact, based directly on Bladerunner's behavior, statements, and info links provided by him in this thread and the gun control thread.

I get smacked down for that while he's allowed to run around calling me a traitor to my country, a terrorist, and part of a criminal conspiracy to massacre Christians. He posts links to white supremacist sites that are reported and nothing is done about it, and I get my post deleted for simply stating facts.

I'm done contributing here. So long and thanks for all the fish.
 
Vassago:

Did you and Rabbi think my answer to Anthony was out of bounds?

Blade
 
I came across this site. I would be interested to know how those who believe that the bible is the absolute truth regard these contradictions.
Please don't try to pretend that they don't exist and treat this as a serious question.

I have read most of it Rabbi, but don't really understand what you. Contradictions to what? will be glad to discuss each one individually if that is what you want?

Blade
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Blade, any chance that you could write in English, and Rabbie will be upset that you have changed his religion again.

You did well to read the stuff on that site, it was too hard going for me.

Brian
 
Blade, any chance that you could write in English, and Rabbie will be upset that you have changed his religion again.

You did well to read the stuff on that site, it was too hard going for me.

Brian
Brian, I have learnt to be tolerant of Blade's lack of respect although I do find his use of language a little eccentric:D
 
Vassago:

Did you and Rabbi think my answer to Anthony was out of bounds?

Blade
Vassago as the forum administrator has the right to make these decisions. I had no part in them and in fact I have not read the deleted posts. I do agree that we all should avoid personal attacks and show each other respect especially when we disagree.

IMO it is OK to say that we think an opinion is wrong but not to attack the person. I know it is sometimes a very fine line but with a little good will we can all keep the forum a pleasant place to visit.
 
I have read most of it Rabbi, but don't really understand what you. Contradictions to what? will be glad to discuss each one individually if that is what you want?

Blade
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Just as a quick example of a contradiction

GEN 1:20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

but

GEN 2:19, And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air.

So

in your opinion were the fowls created from the water or from the ground.

Just a simple question for you but since you maintain that the Bible is infallible you need to explain these contradictions.
 

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