Are you an atheist? (4 Viewers)

[Bladerunner]

Rabbi I know you did not have nothing to do with rejecting my post to Anthony. Never the less, here is what my previous post to you should have said: "I have read most of it Rabbi, but don't really understand what you 'want'.." My apologies, it had been a long day and I had very little time to compose and check it before posting it and going to bed. It is getting that time of year where things here get hectic and there will be little time for anything else much less the forum.

I also understand Vassago has the right and that is Ok with me, just did not understand what I said wrong???????????????????????.

Again, you referred that I showed you no or little respect. I simply do not understand this part?

I will be glad to answer any of your questions to the best of my knowledge and any help I can throw in from the Net.

 

[Bladerunner]

Rabbie ---got it right. For the life of me I have not seen this error before and I see what another was talking about my changing your religion. lol

It has been an innocent mistake with no thought of disrespect to you or your faith. Again I apologize.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Just as a quick example of a contradiction

GEN 1:20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
GEN 2:19, And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air.
in your opinion were the fowls created from the water or from the ground.
Just a simple question for you but since you maintain that the Bible is infallible you need to explain these contradictions.

Rabbie if you look at Genesis I & II, at first they look the same and yet they say completely different things chronologically.

Genesis 1 tells us that God created all things in a time period of 6 days.
Genesis 2 gives a summary of how God created all things.

If you look at GEN 1:20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven......."Let" is not a Create command.....but rather a thought......

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good......

After (their,his) kind is species specific therefore each was specific and separate for each other.

Since Gen 2: is a summary of God's actions in the first six days of creation, it just tells how he made them (creatures and ourselves) and/or from what.

Gen2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air.

To answer your question, Fowls of the air were created using the ground and not water


Blade

 

[Vassago]

You know what, screw this.

Other than the 'whackjob' comment, which I'll freely admit was definitely a personal attack, everything else in the post Vassago deleted was a simple statement of fact, based directly on Bladerunner's behavior, statements, and info links provided by him in this thread and the gun control thread.


I get smacked down for that while he's allowed to run around calling me a traitor to my country, a terrorist, and part of a criminal conspiracy to massacre Christians. He posts links to white supremacist sites that are reported and nothing is done about it, and I get my post deleted for simply stating facts.

I'm done contributing here. So long and thanks for all the fish.

You admit that the post went over bounds but seem upset it was deleted? I'm confused. Nobody "smacked down" anyone. I thought our conversation was rather light-hearted. I'm sorry you felt like you were the only one it was directed toward. I'm also sorry to see you make the decision to leave because of it.

I don't read every post in every thread. I also don't see all reported posts as the moderator staff here is definitely heavily involved in keeping the reported posts in check. If you feel like any reported post is not handled correctly, you can certainly reach out to me directly and I'll be happy to look into it.

Sure, he might post links to some heavily opinionated and controversial sites, but I haven't seen anything in the articles that directly looks racist or otherwise offensive. I admit though that again, I may have missed them. Please direct me to a post in question.

Your entire post was full of rather strong opinions directed at another member. That's why it was deleted. It's not permanently deleted, I invite the site's moderators to review it as well and certainly let me know if they feel I went too far.

I also deleted the posts directly related to that post that led to the personal attack. I know that some of them were pretty tame, but in order to not further instigate the situation, I felt it was best to remove them as well as they didn't really serve much substance either.

If you didn't receive a message from me, you are fine and there was nothing necessarily wrong with your post, it was just too tied in with the offensive posts.

I hope that clears it up.

 

[dan-cat]

Sure, he might post links to some heavily opinionated and controversial sites, but I haven't seen anything in the articles that directly looks racist or otherwise offensive.

This was the post in question, I reported it at the time and informed Blade of it. No response from the moderators nor withdrawal from Blade.

 

[Bladerunner]

Rabbie: I ran across this post of yours , I believe it to be #1579, you stated in a conversation to another member this paragraph:
"To a large extent since the Theory of Evolution is accepted by many Christians it is no longer a key part of the argument. Certainly in Britain and Europe the theologians in general go for the line that their god kick-started life on this planet and then allowed evolution to take its course. I know this is in contrast with the creationist theory but that seems mainly to be USA based."

I think this goes in line with the debate we were having. I was still trying to figure out to what degree the Churches of Europe agreed with evolution. Do you have articles, etc. concerning the opinion you provided above?

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

This was the post in question, I reported it at the time and informed Blade of it. No response from the moderators nor withdrawal from Blade.

Dan-cat could you provide the post number so I may review it.

Blade

 

[Brianwarnock]

Dan-cat could you provide the post number so I may review it.

Blade

Took about 20 seconds to find it, 1660 in the gun thread

HTH

Brian

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Took about 20 seconds to find it, 1660 in the gun thread

HTH

Brian

Takes half a second to click it and then read the post number? How did you do it Brian? Am I missing something?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Takes half a second to click it and then read the post number? How did you do it Brian? Am I missing something?

Arthritis and a slow connection?

Actually it was supposed to 2 seconds, don't know how it became 20.

Brian

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Arthritis and a slow connection?

Actually it was supposed to 2 seconds, don't know how it became 20.

Brian

Wasn't Elvis Costello in Arthritis and the Slow Connections?

 

[Vassago]

This was the post in question, I reported it at the time and informed Blade of it. No response from the moderators nor withdrawal from Blade.

I don't see anything inherently racist about the article. I will say it's probably poor taste to post articles from a website that clearly tries to dodge the line between racist and not, but doesn't quite hit the mark with some of the "news" headlines on the left.

Is this the only link reported?

 

[dan-cat]

I don't see anything inherently racist about the article. I will say it's probably poor taste to post articles from a website that clearly tries to dodge the line between racist and not, but doesn't quite hit the mark with some of the "news" headlines on the left.

Is this the only link reported?

Thanks for looking into it Vass. I sure don't envy the moderator's role.

However I have to say that I did chuckle at your referring to a website that sells Rudolph Hess merchandise as 'poor taste'. I'll call it a diplomatic euphemism and leave it at that.

 

[Bladerunner]

Dan-cat: The url in question was the first item under a google search. It is what you ask for and I delivered.

Now to be truthful, I do not look at advertising when I am looking at articles. That includes the ads on this forum. Sorry fellows.

We had a conversation going on that included the overrunning of Europe by the Islamic Muslim radicals by namely installing Sheria Law. This url contains a article that addresses this concept I put forth. I really did not care who wrote it, since all article should be able to stand on their own merit and this one does just that. There are several articles out there that backed this one up.

To all, if I have offended you, I am sorry for posting an article that seems to written by a far right wing group author. I abhor these people and will make no excuses for them now or in the future. While I am at it, the far left freaks are no better in my eyes and both of these groups in my opinion are a blithe to society. Having said that, society still accepts and tolerates them to the point of allowing them to be on the world wide internet. Are we supposed to confine ourselves to those sites that are possibly "Uncomfortable" for others?

To put things right, I apologize to everyone for posting a website that depicted a far right wing group(s) in the advertisements?

Vassago: 'my poor taste by your opinion', was caused by my ability to look beyond the advertisements of a website vs its articles. In addition, if I have given the other members of this thread and forum the opinion that I am not what I profess to be, then it is time I take my leave of Access-Programmers.Forum.

Blade:

 

[Vassago]

Dan-cat: The url in question was the first item under a google search. It is what you ask for and I delivered.

Now to be truthful, I do not look at advertising when I am looking at articles. That includes the ads on this forum. Sorry fellows.

We had a conversation going on that included the overrunning of Europe by the Islamic Muslim radicals by namely installing Sheria Law. This url contains a article that addresses this concept I put forth. I really did not care who wrote it, since all article should be able to stand on their own merit and this one does just that. There are several articles out there that backed this one up.

To all, if I have offended you, I am sorry for posting an article that seems to written by a far right wing group author. I abhor these people and will make no excuses for them now or in the future. While I am at it, the far left freaks are no better in my eyes and both of these groups in my opinion are a blithe to society. Having said that, society still accepts and tolerates them to the point of allowing them to be on the world wide internet. Are we supposed to confine ourselves to those sites that are possibly "Uncomfortable" for others?

To put things right, I apologize to everyone for posting a website that depicted a far right wing group(s) in the advertisements?

Vassago: 'my poor taste by your opinion', was caused by my ability to look beyond the advertisements of a website vs its articles. In addition, if I have given the other members of this thread and forum the opinion that I am not what I profess to be, then it is time I take my leave of Access-Programmers.Forum.

Blade:

I figured it was an accident based on the way the conversation was going. I meant that the website was poor taste. I should have done a better job constructing my sentence. Relax.

I agree on far left and far right mentality. It scares me how much some people cannot think on their own and just immediately agree with everything a party says. There are far too many middle and gray areas for that way of thinking. I appreciate a politician who votes against his party from time to time, even though that certainly hurts your political career if it's too extreme.

Why must people still vote for the two party system? It's infuriating when a candidiate can get 12% in polls running independent, but only gets 3% in the election because people vote differently. What are people afraid of? Wasted votes? Needing to pick the winner? If you aren't voting for someone you believe is best for the job, you vote's already a waste.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I figured it was an accident based on the way the conversation was going. I meant that the website was poor taste. I should have done a better job constructing my sentence. Relax.

I agree on far left and far right mentality. It scares me how much some people cannot think on their own and just immediately agree with everything a party says. There are far too many middle and gray areas for that way of thinking. I appreciate a politician who votes against his party from time to time, even though that certainly hurts your political career if it's too extreme.

Why must people still vote for the two party system? It's infuriating when a candidiate can get 12% in polls running independent, but only gets 3% in the election because people vote differently. What are people afraid of? Wasted votes? Needing to pick the winner? If you aren't voting for someone you believe is best for the job, you vote's already a waste.

Hitler may have been right about his road building policies - but I wouldn't be looking to his followers as reliable news sources for traffic updates. Never mind matters of immigration and race.

Blade should have found a better source to be taken remotely seriously or to not be viewed with extreme suspicion.

 

[Bladerunner]

I agree on far left and far right mentality. It scares me how much some people cannot think on their own and just immediately agree with everything a party says. There are far too many middle and gray areas for that way of thinking. I appreciate a politician who votes against his party from time to time, even though that certainly hurts your political career if it's too extreme.

Why must people still vote for the two party system? It's infuriating when a candidiate can get 12% in polls running independent, but only gets 3% in the election because people vote differently. What are people afraid of? Wasted votes? Needing to pick the winner? If you aren't voting for someone you believe is best for the job, you vote's already a waste.

I find myself agreeing with you on most of it. However, until a third party (yes it is needed) can have a reasonable chance of winning, we are just putting our heads in the sand and throwing the vote away. Now, I don't know if you are conservative or liberal. It really does not matter but can you not see the tearing of the very fabric on the country. The taking away of the rights of the states, the ongoing attempt to federalize the police forces that protect our cities.

Example: They tell you of the number of Black men killed by policemen but fail to show the statistics sthat show 60% of those killed by policemen across the country are WHITE. The other 40% are Hispanic, Black-American, etc.
Now the feds are checking out the police departments and trying to take over, much like they did in New-Orleans and tried to in Fergusen, MO.

Here is a url that will take you to Bill ORielly (The Factor). No, he is a commentator of the facts and has taken down many bullies that have molested the little people (you and I) more than once. Keep in mind that I am only referring to the Talking Points at the beginning and the rest is up to you.: I agree with him on the talking points here. He says it so much better than I could.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html

Also keep in mind that this url is static so it will change as subsequent daily programs are aired.

Have a good week.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Hitler may have been right about his road building policies - but I wouldn't be looking to his followers as reliable news sources for traffic updates. Never mind matters of immigration and race.

Blade should have found a better source to be taken remotely seriously or to not be viewed with extreme suspicion.

SO- we are to disregard all those that disagree with us. I should therefore turn my back on those here that are atheist. Another antithesis like Islam to Christianity??????????

Dr. Phil once said that he was raised up in a Baptist environment. He also said that because of that he read every book he could get his hand on about Satan. WHY? the clergy question him? To know thy enemy (in this case) was his answer.

Again that article was the first in a google seach and I did not and do not look at the advertisements of any websites I visit including those that have porn on them. That does not make their opinion invalid. If yoiu have not read Playboy articles then you are lacking something. If you are there for the pictures, then you have totally missed the point I am trying to make.

I believe that you are getting ideology and opinions mixed up. As I said, I abhor their ideology, it is the opposite to every thing I stand for but I will not disregard an article from their site because it makes someone Un-Comfortable.......Conservatism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism is a Ideology. While these Ideologies help form some of a persons opinions, if these people let the ideologies control all of their opinions then they are nothing more than a SLAVE to the very cause they fight for.! We see them all the time both in this forum and in our daily lives.

For those of you who have no tolerance for other groups ideologies/opinions to the point that they are excluded from you life in general, I pity you. You have no directional control over your life..

Our real enemy right now is Radical Islam. Focus on that and all will be fine.

Blade

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Our real enemy right now is Radical Islam. Focus on that and all will be fine.

Blade, with due respect - and I am serious about this one - you are incorrect. Our real enemy is ANY form of religious extremism in any sect, denomination, or congregation. Those extremists represent hate in its purest form - the expulsion of others from their self-perceived Garden of Eden here on Earth. Islam is generally peaceful, but not the sub-group that follows Wahabbism. They are the war-mongers. But take a look at the hate of the Westboro Baptist Church, who pickets funerals of gay soldiers who, for love of country, made the ultimate sacrifice. They laid down their lives for others to have a chance for goodness. Yet they don't see that their own Saviour laid down HIS life for others to have their chance. We can talk about the extremists of many religions, but it always comes back to the ideas of expulsion rather than inclusion. Did not your Savior advise turning the other cheek, not seven times but seventy times seven? Do the letters of the Apostles not contain admonitions to gently offer teaching in hopes that it will sprout? And if it does not, is there not the parable of the sower and the seeds that tell you to not begrudge a field with low harvest, for that is its nature?

Blade, I am a former Methodist turned atheist - but I remember a lot of what I learned. I turned away from the magic and mysticism but I didn't turn away from forgiveness and the ways of inclusion. Some ideas are good no matter their origin. I just have limits on my credibility and that is why I turned atheist.

We can debate a lot of things, but this definition of yours cannot be allowed to stand. It is a narrow-minded viewpoint that refuses to see the REAL danger of religion - the excuse that it gives others to express hatred in the name of a loving deity. Islam has no monopoly on that idiocy.

 

[Vassago]

I find myself agreeing with you on most of it. However, until a third party (yes it is needed) can have a reasonable chance of winning, we are just putting our heads in the sand and throwing the vote away. Now, I don't know if you are conservative or liberal. It really does not matter but can you not see the tearing of the very fabric on the country. The taking away of the rights of the states, the ongoing attempt to federalize the police forces that protect our cities.

Example: They tell you of the number of Black men killed by policemen but fail to show the statistics sthat show 60% of those killed by policemen across the country are WHITE. The other 40% are Hispanic, Black-American, etc.
Now the feds are checking out the police departments and trying to take over, much like they did in New-Orleans and tried to in Fergusen, MO.

Here is a url that will take you to Bill ORielly (The Factor). No, he is a commentator of the facts and has taken down many bullies that have molested the little people (you and I) more than once. Keep in mind that I am only referring to the Talking Points at the beginning and the rest is up to you.: I agree with him on the talking points here. He says it so much better than I could.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html

Also keep in mind that this url is static so it will change as subsequent daily programs are aired.

Have a good week.

Blade

I am neither liberal or conservative. I hate labels. I think for myself. I'm pretty sure I summed that up in my post.

That being said, I can't stomach hearing his voice longer than .01 seconds. He's far far far too one-sided and typical for me and never really cites his "facts."