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I am neither liberal or conservative. I hate labels. I think for myself. I'm pretty sure I summed that up in my post.

That being said, I can't stomach hearing his voice longer than .01 seconds. He's far far far too one-sided and typical for me and never really cites his "facts." :)

Ok to not liking labels,

As far a Bill's facts is concerned, his facts, because of his Enemies, almost have to be perfect. Why would he have to disclose them?. Very few times have I heard any alternative facts come out and very few times if any, have I heard him recant his findings. There is one fact that cannot be ignored, He would NOT be # 1 in the ratings if he were giving out falsehoods or bad facts on his show. However (again), there are a lot of people out there that do not want to hear the facts other than those that are put forth by the democratic liberal medias CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, etc. and there are also a lot of people out there that do not want to hear any thing from any of the above. These people are what we are basing the future of our country on.

This country is split down the middle between the conservatives and the liberals. At some point in the very near future, my opinion, you my friend may have to make a choice and jump off that fence onto one side or the other.

Blade
 
Blade, with due respect - and I am serious about this one - you are incorrect. Our real enemy is ANY form of religious extremism in any sect, denomination, or congregation. Those extremists represent hate in its purest form - the expulsion of others from their self-perceived Garden of Eden here on Earth. Islam is generally peaceful, but not the sub-group that follows Wahabbism. They are the war-mongers. But take a look at the hate of the Westboro Baptist Church, who pickets funerals of gay soldiers who, for love of country, made the ultimate sacrifice. They laid down their lives for others to have a chance for goodness. Yet they don't see that their own Saviour laid down HIS life for others to have their chance. We can talk about the extremists of many religions, but it always comes back to the ideas of expulsion rather than inclusion. Did not your Savior advise turning the other cheek, not seven times but seventy times seven? Do the letters of the Apostles not contain admonitions to gently offer teaching in hopes that it will sprout? And if it does not, is there not the parable of the sower and the seeds that tell you to not begrudge a field with low harvest, for that is its nature?.
First of all, The Westboro Baptist Church is unafilliated church and has only 40 members. It is considered a hate group and uses this hate against Gays, Jews and Politicians. You, my friend are using this anomaly as a way to hate all Christians or at the very least use them as a reason to be an atheist, a person who has decided to punish God!

Gay soldiers do serve their country no more or no less than others have. Since being Gay in any form is a choice, it will between them and God as to their future after death. As far as I am concerned, I thank them for their service and wish them well. It is above my Pay-Grade to judge them or any one else.

"Yet they don't see that their own Saviour laid down HIS life for others to have their chance. " Don't really understand this?

"Islam is not a peaceful religion". Have you read it. Doubt it or you would not have that opinion. While your at it try reading the Hadif and the Sunnah as well. These are about the life of Mohommand. One thing to keep in mind, Like Wahabbism, Gays and atheist will be killed in a muslim society, immediately. While the Christians believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, they also believe that it is your sin and does not affect them and their sins. You and You alone have to make choices that best work for you.

Wahhobism is seen in Saudi Arabia. Iran practices another type and ISIS practice another type.
.We can debate a lot of things, but this definition of yours cannot be allowed to stand. It is a narrow-minded viewpoint that refuses to see the REAL danger of religion - the excuse that it gives others to express hatred in the name of a loving deity. Islam has no monopoly on that idiocy?.
Yes, I see a lot of Christian groups out there killing or trying to kill those who do not believe in their God.Don't you??????? Islam Does and radical Islamist terrorist carry it out. While I believe there are Moderate Muslim Islamist who do not believe in killing or following the Koran to the letter, they appear to be content to let the radical Islamic terrorist do their killing for them instead of speaking out against the Radical Islamic Terrorist. OR OR OR maybe, they are afraid of the same Radical Islamic Terrorist for the reasons I stated in an earlier post. Christianity poses no threat to you being an atheist nor does it pose a threat to any gays out there with the exception of course being marriage under God is between and man and a woman.

Blade
 
Since being Gay in any form is a choice

Oh, Blade, this is SUCH a false statement that you can only have made it through lack of your own research. I cannot believe that you would otherwise have allowed yourself to say such a stupid thing. You have been misled by others and have not bothered to verify their lies.

I CHALLENGE you (yes, confrontationally CHALLENGE you) to research the following on your favorite browser: homosexual + brain scan (or you could do PET scan rather than brain scan.)

If you did, you would find research starting in the 1990s from the UK showing that the human brain comes in TWO configurations - male and female - and that FACT can be shown using Positron Emission Tomography (PET) scans. The actual scan images are published and can be seen to be different.

The initial study identified male and female brains. But once they started including larger numbers of people in the later stages of the study (and thus brought up the statistics to be more inclusive), they were able to find cases where male brains were found in female bodies and vice versa. I.e. the plumbing and wiring didn't match. And dicte mirableau, those people with the mismatches correlated extremely strongly to homosexual preferences. Now I don't know how YOUR logic works, but to me it is simple: If the brain configuration says your preferences are those of the gender that doesn't match your genitalia, you don't have a lot of choices. If you have a brain/genital mismatch, you are going to be gay.

Many people talk about gay being a choice. That, my friend, is an outright and bald-faced LIE or a statement made from total ignorance. Gays have exactly the same choices that straight folks do - have sex or live a lie or don't have sex. End of choices. "Living a lie" is done for convenience or camouflage because of the closed-minded lunatics who engage in gay-bashing at any level from taunting to the torture inflicted on the late Matthew Shepard some years ago involving barbed wire.

You may ask why I get so vehement about this. Here is your answer. A member of my extended family is gay. She is a 12-year veteran of the USAF, a hard-working member of the community who owns her own house and keeps it up very nicely. She pays her taxes, avoids legal entanglements, and donates some of her time to battered women's shelter charities. She is highly educated and is also a loving, caring individual. All she wants is to have simple parties with her friends (male and female alike) and to live with the person she loves (who is also gay.) But the religious yammerheads of the world can only see that she is gay and they ignore the other 99.9% of her life.

If these people have mismatched brain configurations, that came as a condition of BIRTH because the brain configuration becomes fixed during gestation. That means that God made those people that way, or genetics did. This gives you a terrible dilemma. Either God wanted these people to be gay (in which case why does ANY religion condemn them?), OR genetics is more powerful than God when it comes to making people in His own image and that makes me wonder why you would worship a God so powerful as to create a world but so weak as to be unable to control genetics.

it will between them and God as to their future after death

If God ONLY looks at sexual preferences and ignores everything else about a person's life, what good is He? The Bible does not say that only one facet of your life will be used in judgment. It explicitly says otherwise. The entirety of your life is in the book of Judgment, not just one line that says your name and "gay" or "straight."
 
Ok to not liking labels,

As far a Bill's facts is concerned, his facts, because of his Enemies, almost have to be perfect. Why would he have to disclose them?. Very few times have I heard any alternative facts come out and very few times if any, have I heard him recant his findings. There is one fact that cannot be ignored, He would NOT be # 1 in the ratings if he were giving out falsehoods or bad facts on his show. However (again), there are a lot of people out there that do not want to hear the facts other than those that are put forth by the democratic liberal medias CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, etc. and there are also a lot of people out there that do not want to hear any thing from any of the above. These people are what we are basing the future of our country on.

This country is split down the middle between the conservatives and the liberals. At some point in the very near future, my opinion, you my friend may have to make a choice and jump off that fence onto one side or the other.

Blade

I disagree. I think most people are very in the middle about most things. Very few follow one label indiscriminately and agree with everything they say. I also will not jump off of any fence. I'm not going to sacrifice any of my beliefs to fit in with others.

Private mainstream media companies are all a joke. Faux News isn't any better.

There is one fact that cannot be ignored, He would NOT be # 1 in the ratings if he were giving out falsehoods or bad facts on his show.

This made me spit my drink. Are you kidding me? I hope so anyway...
 
Oh, Blade, this is SUCH a false statement that you can only have made it through lack of your own research. I cannot believe that you would otherwise have allowed yourself to say such a stupid thing. You have been misled by others and have not bothered to verify their lies.
This is another global warming scenario where the findings do not support the facts. To be blunt, show me the person or persons and the gene they have found that causes people to be gay.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Just one..........Until them if you have a penis or a ****** , You are....

As a former medical person, I can tell you whether a person is a male or female from a sample of their blood without doing a DNA test. Sometimes, a female or a male has lower values in some indices of the blood that one could call the other sex. However, as closer look at other indices and the true side of gender comes out.

Show me on Gene that causes this. All this brain scans are smoking mirrors just like the Global Warming fiasco.

Blade
 
Oh, Blade, this is SUCH a false statement that you can only have made it through lack of your own research. I cannot believe that you would otherwise have allowed yourself to say such a stupid thing. You have been misled by others and have not bothered to verify their lies.

You may ask why I get so vehement about this. Here is your answer. A member of my extended family is gay. She is a 12-year veteran of the USAF, a hard-working member of the community who owns her own house and keeps it up very nicely. She pays her taxes, avoids legal entanglements, and donates some of her time to battered women's shelter charities. She is highly educated and is also a loving, caring individual. All she wants is to have simple parties with her friends (male and female alike) and to live with the person she loves (who is also gay.) But the religious yammerheads of the world can only see that she is gay and they ignore the other 99.9% of her life.
She sounds like a nice person and the religious yammerheads that do not see her as a person and have tolerance for her beliefs, then they are wrong. They have judged where it is not in their pay-grade.

Matthew 7:1-3::Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?


You can rest assured that these people will receive their just dues. They too have to answer for their sins. Can you say the same for your judgement of others. There is no reckoning or justice to be served if it is not served-up by man because in your world there is no GOD.


You having been a Christian should tell you that.



Blade
 
I disagree. I think most people are very in the middle about most things. Very few follow one label indiscriminately and agree with everything they say. I also will not jump off of any fence. I'm not going to sacrifice any of my beliefs to fit in with others.

Private mainstream media companies are all a joke. Faux News isn't any better.



This made me spit my drink. Are you kidding me? I hope so anyway...

Rem when it did not use to be that way. How do we know what is going on if the news is not accurate or extensive. Take this new bill in the senate to give Obama the ability to create a Treaty without anyone, without the Congress (both) being able to have a say. Do you trust him that much??. It was the Dem Liberals that put it down. The repubs wanted it,,,WHY,,,I am waiting on that bit of information. We here in TN have two Rhinos that are very liberal. (rem, you said most people were in the middle) Well most people are financially conservative and lean toward being socially liberal. I have no problems with that since most of the time I am worried about the financials of the country. 19 Trillion in debt...... Anyway getting back to the senators, I will assume that they will be voted out next time they are up, people here are feed up. Fox News at least tells about most things that are going on.and gives you both sides. You might hear about it on the others or you might not but if you do, it will certainly be one side (liberal).

Sorry you lost your drink but here are the facts: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/05/11/cable-news-ratings-for-friday-may-8-2015/401956/

They have other days to look at but they are pretty much the same.

Blade
 
This is another global warming scenario where the findings do not support the facts. To be blunt, show me the person or persons and the gene they have found that causes people to be gay.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Just one..........Until them if you have a penis or a ****** , You are....

Blade, grow up and THINK for yourself. I sent you instructions that will lead to observed facts from a rigorous scientific study that was able to correlate brain configuration to homosexuality. It is not my duty to do ALL of your research for you. Besides, the jury is out on whether the brain configuration is entirely genetic or whether it involves some type of gestational anomaly. In either case, the brain configuration develops pre-birth at a time when there is NO WAY for the fetus to make a choice. Regardless of whether it happens as a result of genetics or anomalous pregnancies, THERE IS NO CHOICE! And if there is no choice, then condemnation of someone for having the bad luck to live with a condition they cannot control simply means that the condemners are looking for someone to pick on.

As to your second (implied) comment: If you have a penis or a ******, you are .... a sexual being. Want to add labels? If so, known which one of those two attributes is true just isn't enough. Tell me the brain configuration as well as the plumbing. THEN and ONLY THEN it would be possible to more specifically fill in the blanks at the end of your implied question.

I repeat: DO THE RESEARCH. I gave you the link. Open your mind when you do the reading. Don't let someone else's lies told to you in childhood stop you from making a reasoned decision based on observable scientific fact.
 
This is another global warming scenario where the findings do not support the facts. To be blunt, show me the person or persons and the gene they have found that causes people to be gay.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Just one..........Until them if you have a penis or a ****** , You are....

As a former medical person, I can tell you whether a person is a male or female from a sample of their blood without doing a DNA test. Sometimes, a female or a male has lower values in some indices of the blood that one could call the other sex. However, as closer look at other indices and the true side of gender comes out.

Show me on Gene that causes this. All this brain scans are smoking mirrors just like the Global Warming fiasco.

Blade

You are confusing gender identity with sexual preference for starters. They are not one and the same.

As far as global warming, WE ARE COMING OUT OF AN ICE AGE! Of course the Earth is warming! I don't understand how anyone with any interest in history can assume it's not. Debating our influence on the warming is one thing, but debating on if the Earth is even warming seems redundant. Everything we know says it is because it is eventually supposed to.
 
As far as choice goes, I believe that much of what we do is hardwired and a lot of it comes from our environment. There's probably influence on both sides of the equation that impact our sexual preferences later in life. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENDER IDENTITY!
 
Blade, grow up and THINK for yourself. I sent you instructions that will lead to observed facts from a rigorous scientific study that was able to correlate brain configuration to homosexuality. It is not my duty to do ALL of your research for you. Besides, the jury is out on whether the brain configuration is entirely genetic or whether it involves some type of gestational anomaly. In either case, the brain configuration develops pre-birth at a time when there is NO WAY for the fetus to make a choice. Regardless of whether it happens as a result of genetics or anomalous pregnancies, THERE IS NO CHOICE! And if there is no choice, then condemnation of someone for having the bad luck to live with a condition they cannot control simply means that the condemners are looking for someone to pick on.

As to your second (implied) comment: If you have a penis or a ******, you are .... a sexual being. Want to add labels? If so, known which one of those two attributes is true just isn't enough. Tell me the brain configuration as well as the plumbing. THEN and ONLY THEN it would be possible to more specifically fill in the blanks at the end of your implied question.

I repeat: DO THE RESEARCH. I gave you the link. Open your mind when you do the reading. Don't let someone else's lies told to you in childhood stop you from making a reasoned decision based on observable scientific fact.


Why do you think I have not done any research on this subject? I have read many articles even some where the so-called brain scans brain scans are considered unreliable because of faulty assumptions. Also when you have two gay parents, why do 71% children grow up more likely to be gay or at the least bisexual. How do you explain that?

I told you my opinion and it is not going to change until a gene is found and is totally determined to cause Homosexuality. In my opinion by all the research I have read, being Gay is a Choice and again, I do not and will not criticize the choice or the person who makes the choice.


Blade
 
Why do you think I have not done any research on this subject? I have read many articles even some where the so-called brain scans brain scans are considered unreliable because of faulty assumptions. Also when you have two gay parents, why do 71% children grow up more likely to be gay or at the least bisexual. How do you explain that?

I told you my opinion and it is not going to change until a gene is found and is totally determined to cause Homosexuality. In my opinion by all the research I have read, being Gay is a Choice and again, I do not and will not criticize the choice or the person who makes the choice.


Blade

Have you got a source for that 71% stat? Then maybe it can be explained? Ta
 
I repeat, being Gay is NOT a choice. Your choices are to have sex or not. You can choose what kind to have but you will NOT be able to choose which kind "feels right" for you. Blade, can YOU choose to NOT be a heterosexual? Yet when we make the corresponding comment for gays you simply stand up and pontificate.

I grew up in New Orleans and earned my college money as a musician in the French Quarter. (I'm a keyboard person.) During our breaks, when we talked to our clientele, those that were gay NEVER ONCE said anything about choice. To them, it was something they knew from their earliest days. I was an avid bridge player (contract or duplicate, friendly or tournament - made no difference to me). My best tournament-level partner was gay. Everyone wondered why she and I never got married. It was because she liked the same kind of partner I did. Didn't stop us from being friends. She and I talked at some length. I trusted her to be honest with me because she had already told me the most terrible secret in her life, the one that caused her to live a lie until society caught up with reality a bit more. She said there was never an element of choice as to preferences, only as to the specific person who would be her life-long partner.

I feel sad for you, Blade. You have closed your mind to the possibility that you have made an error. As to the "two gay parents" - the likelihood of that happening is very small. Small enough that your 71% claim is suspect. Quote your source and I'll show you that they had an axe to grind. If your source is some "Family Values" group then they automatically lose credibility points because they have an agenda. It is the same reason that so many folks down-play Fox News as a joke. It is also no wonder that YOU seem to like them. I apologize if that sounds a bit dismissive, but then again, Fox News is more than a bit biased. The fact that you don't seem to notice that is very significant in your inability to detect and dismiss articles that have axes to grind.
 
Whether children are more likely to be gay or bisexual may be due to nature or nurture or a combination of both. If "70%" of children ADOPTED by gay couples chose a gay/bisexual lifestyle, it would be almost overwhelming evidence for nurture ie environment as against genetic factors. Your evidence is inconclusive.
 
Whether children are more likely to be gay or bisexual may be due to nature or nurture or a combination of both. If "70%" of children ADOPTED by gay couples chose a gay/bisexual lifestyle, it would be almost overwhelming evidence for nurture ie environment as against genetic factors. Your evidence is inconclusive.

Without a gene to prove that you are a different sex than that you were born with, So is your evidence.


Blade
 
!! Am I not on your side!! I agree that there is no positive genetic evidence (The UK College of Psychiatrist had to retract their statement that "people are born gay")
My evidence, if anybody ever bothered to collect it, would confirm that being gay is a learned experience which becomes a lifetime choice for some people.
 
I feel sad for you, Blade. You have closed your mind to the possibility that you have made an error. As to the "two gay parents" - the likelihood of that happening is very small. Small enough that your 71% claim is suspect. Quote your source and I'll show you that they had an axe to grind. If your source is some "Family Values" group then they automatically lose credibility points because they have an agenda. It is the same reason that so many folks down-play Fox News as a joke. It is also no wonder that YOU seem to like them. I apologize if that sounds a bit dismissive, but then again, Fox News is more than a bit biased. The fact that you don't seem to notice that is very significant in your inability to detect and dismiss articles that have axes to grind.

Just as I thought, it all comes down to what I, I believe. I give you a look at things from my side of the tracks and you give us a look at things on your side of the track. Weeeell, at least people on this thread get to see both sides and THINK for themselves.

Is it not enough that I accept your choice without reservation or do you want blood and God as well????

Blade
 
OK but I already know what your going to say!!!!!!!!!

http://www.frc.org/issuebrief/new-study-on-homosexual-parents-tops-all-previous-research

Look under the heading of 'What the Study Found'

Blade

Long before I got to the Limitations of The Study I had come to the conclusion that they were not comparing like situations. They talk of a Gay Father or a Lesbian Mother, note the singular, they are not comparing a two parent family such as lives by me, two Lesbian ladies with a child they have had for years.

Brian
 

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