Are you an atheist? (13 Viewers)

[Bladerunner]

Blade:

Hi Doc...I will keep trying to get into it, might be my security measures here on my computer.

The word fear is used about 300 times in the bible. Each verse and sometimes chapter defines how it was used. Here are two examples.

It was because the midwives feared God that they obeyed him instead of the authorities by sparing the Hebrew babies (Exodus 1:17). Pharaoh brought disaster on his nation because he did not fear God (Exodus 9:29-31).

In one case it destroyed a nation and in another it saved Moses.

You always hear,,,'God fearing Man', It can be taken two ways, a man that is deeply religious and a man that fears that he will fail God's will. Yesteryear and today God's will is defined by the local church. In ancient times, not following God's commands probably meant your death. just ask the Pharaoh of Exodus. lol

*Keep in mind that prior to Jesus being crucified for our sins, Gods laws he handed down were laws for the Hebrew people in ancient times. This is the reason why ancient times are called the ' Dispensation of Law'. Of, course most of them are real good rules to live by but are not necessary to anyone in the "AGE of GRACE" (started some 2000 years ago).

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Genesis 3:16. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.*

In the ancient world, the man was the head of the household, because he was the protector and the provider out of necessity and the woman played a supporting role. In yesteryear world, the household was changing, the woman in the house wanted more and they got it. In a lot of cases, women were and still are mistreated. It is just that in yesteryear, religion was blamed for it not the man.

To me being the head of the household does not mean forcing the woman to have sex or being able to beat her up (Islam permits both of them) on a whim, etc. but then again it is just one man's opinion. The other part of the equation is; as you grow up, you get the values of your parents and as you become an adult,well--- sometimes the nut does not fall far from the tree. Thank goodness, some men changed or had good role models (like my father) to begin with.

In today's world, marriage has become a written contract between a man and woman that has to be signed by forty lawyers on each side.

You cannot look sideways at a just about any female with out them going off on you (equal rights, sexist,etc.). lol

Doc: Is the man still suppose to protect the woman?

I have held doors open for ladies, tipped my hat . What I got in return was, "Why are you so damn sexist". My answer is: 'It is just the way I was raised by my parents back in a time where people respected each other.'

Have a great day

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I will not attempt to dissect the poem, Blade, but know that it contains many cases of what we call non-sequitur clauses.

Example: You call me rich then do not ask me. It does not follow that I would ask the rich for something because I have self-reliance.

Example: You call me mighty then do not honor me. It does not follow that I would honor the might because Might does not make Right. I would honor that which was consistently right.

Example: When I abandon you, then do not blame me. ... But many of us feel that we were abandoned long ago. We ARE abandoned. You don't answer prayers. You are distant. You don't even tell us "NO" - You just ignore us. So... I blame you for being the first one to leave.

to Doc and Libre.....

This was written in Gothic Medieval German on a German Cathedral door. Other than that I do not know who wrote it or why?.. Hey, At least I know what you think about it or should I say God.

Have a good day.

Blade

 

[AccessBlaster]

I have held doors open for ladies, tipped my hat . What I got in return was, "Why are you so damn sexist". My answer is: 'It is just the way I was raised by my parents back in a time where people respected each other.'

Have a great day

Blade

That has to be the exception. I have literally held hundreds of doors for hundreds people, and never ever got a negative response. I have gotten nonresponses but never negative. I hold doors for people, not for them rather for myself. I enjoy it.

Secondly do you feel you are driving people towards the gospel or does it matter? I would think the main goal of any Christian would be promote the gospel (the good news). I see little difference between the two sides....no good news.

 

[Bladerunner]

I find it utterly laughable that certain microcephalic mouthbreathers here in America insist on thinking Obama is Muslim despite all the evidence to the contrary. If he's Muslim, then the fact that he eats bacon, shaves, drinks beer, attends a Christian church, has repeatedly stated that he's Christian, and even had a scandal during his first campaign because of the pastor of the Christian church he attended at the time indicates that he must be the worst Muslim ever.

The article you quoted is nothing but blatant racism, but that is hardly surprising considering the source.

There you go again with that damn liberal agenda stuff---racism my ass.
He was born a Muslim, he attended Muslim school for a period of time.
He has never rejected the tenets of Islam
It is permissible to lie in Islam ---Check this out!

http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-...ts-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

and if you able to catch it just right, the ring he wears when signing bills has this on it. Allah AkBar on it like this: الله أكبر
in other words signs them under Allah....but since you think Allah is the same God of Creation ,,,,,it is ok.

You keep on believing that and he will,,,,no he has already taken us too far down road that cannot be turned around. Hey, I also believe that he will not leave office either. And I believe, that much to you likes, hegutted the Bill of Rights when he signed the National Defense Authorization Act in 2012. (

Indefinite detention without trial on U.S on citizens and arrest by Military Personnel on American SOIL.

He is systematically tearing down this country and there are still something like 14 months left. He has promoted racism, promotes Black lives matter, Is silent on the killing of Policemen, etc. Shall I go on?

oh, well what do I know.......

Have a Good one Frothy

...Is it ok if I call you Frothy or would you prefer the whole name?

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I will not attempt to dissect the poem, Blade, but know that it contains many cases of what we call non-sequitur clauses.

Example: You call me rich then do not ask me. It does not follow that I would ask the rich for something because I have self-reliance.

Example: You call me mighty then do not honor me. It does not follow that I would honor the might because Might does not make Right. I would honor that which was consistently right.

Example: When I abandon you, then do not blame me. ... But many of us feel that we were abandoned long ago. We ARE abandoned. You don't answer prayers. You are distant. You don't even tell us "NO" - You just ignore us. So... I blame you for being the first one to leave.

In 1963, we took God and prayer out of our schools. In 1973, we started allowing the killing of unborn babies (now some 45 million of them) and in 2015 we gutted his definition of marriage between a man and a woman.
Yes, I believe that he probably has already abandoned us and we like all the other civilizations will fall into nothingness. The poem I posted already applies to us as it once did to Europe. We will become like Europe and then will become a one world government (UN) with a one world Monetary system all under one umbrella/

When I abandon you, then do not blame me....No, I cannot Blame him, we have stirred this witch's brew all by ourselves.

The Bible states nothing about America in any of its prophecies of the end days. It does state that the '[FONT=Palatino,Book Antiqua] young lions of Tarshish' the US will not help anyone in the middle east war that is coming.

We the US have an imminent date with either a depression greater than that of 1930's or HyperInflation as the United States collapses in on itself. If the Harpozo happened prior to either event, it would make me very happy.
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Have a great evening

Blade

 

[Frothingslosh]

There you go again with that damn liberal agenda stuff---racism my ass.
He was born a Muslim, he attended Muslim school for a period of time.
He has never rejected the tenets of Islam
It is permissible to lie in Islam ---Check this out!

http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-...ts-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

and if you able to catch it just right, the ring he wears when signing bills has this on it. Allah AkBar on it like this: الله أكبر
in other words signs them under Allah....but since you think Allah is the same God of Creation ,,,,,it is ok.

You keep on believing that and he will,,,,no he has already taken us too far down road that cannot be turned around. Hey, I also believe that he will not leave office either. And I believe, that much to you likes, hegutted the Bill of Rights when he signed the National Defense Authorization Act in 2012. (

Indefinite detention without trial on U.S on citizens and arrest by Military Personnel on American SOIL.

He is systematically tearing down this country and there are still something like 14 months left. He has promoted racism, promotes Black lives matter, Is silent on the killing of Policemen, etc. Shall I go on?

oh, well what do I know.......

Have a Good one Frothy

...Is it ok if I call you Frothy or would you prefer the whole name?

Blade

What is the weather like in your part of Crazyworld? I'm sure you get outside on occasion when you need to restock your tinfoil before the black helicopters return to drop more lizard people to hunt for you, after all.

 

[Frothingslosh]

There you go again with that damn liberal agenda stuff---racism my ass.
He was born a Muslim, he attended Muslim school for a period of time.
He has never rejected the tenets of Islam
It is permissible to lie in Islam ---Check this out!

http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-...ts-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml

and if you able to catch it just right, the ring he wears when signing bills has this on it. Allah AkBar on it like this: الله أكبر
in other words signs them under Allah....but since you think Allah is the same God of Creation ,,,,,it is ok.

You keep on believing that and he will,,,,no he has already taken us too far down road that cannot be turned around. Hey, I also believe that he will not leave office either. And I believe, that much to you likes, hegutted the Bill of Rights when he signed the National Defense Authorization Act in 2012. (

Indefinite detention without trial on U.S on citizens and arrest by Military Personnel on American SOIL.

He is systematically tearing down this country and there are still something like 14 months left. He has promoted racism, promotes Black lives matter, Is silent on the killing of Policemen, etc. Shall I go on?

oh, well what do I know.......

Have a Good one Frothy

...Is it ok if I call you Frothy or would you prefer the whole name?

Blade

By the way, I am bookmarking your post and come January 20, 2017, I will be firmly rubbing your face in your own stupidity. Just so that you're aware.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Blade,

It is of no concern to me that Obama is any particular religion. He doesn't push that religion (whatever it is) down our throats in the name of religion, unlike some people here. He does what he does because that is his political stance.

I see Mr. Obama as a product of his times. Pulling out of the Middle East wars is an extension of what this country has wanted to do for a long time. The Viet Nam conflict and now the Middle East conflict are issues for which there is limited support at best. Continual involvement in war is not popular unless you make ammunition for a living. Which means that at least some of the push is for the benefit of the so-called military-industrial complex, not necessarily for the benefit of the USA as a whole.

We are not the world's traffic cop and should not be. Therefore, if Mr. Obama chooses to not support the wars overseas, he is merely reflecting the political stance of lots of his constituents. I can't truthfully say that in the changing political climate of the world he is wrong to try to disengage from wars that are unwinnable. Essentially the wars are unwinnable because they are more on the order of civil wars (between Wahabbi, Sunni, and Shiite sectarian groups) where we would have to violate our own concept of freedom of religion to pick a side. If we pick one sect, we have in essence made a decision between different religions. It would be the same as if we chose (let me be arbitrary here) that Methodism was the "right" religion and all others were wrong. Do you see the analogy? Do you recognize that the conflicts really would force us to violate our own concept of freedom of religion?

What happens when the war is over is that life can quiet down and people can stop to think about how to improve their lot in life. And if it happens that the nation that just ended a conflict starts yet another internal conflict because the previous winners cannot hold on to their winnings... is that really our problem? This country went through a lot of similar historical turbulence including the time after the end of the Revolutionary war and the beginning of the United States government as a new nation on Earth. We've had our civil wars (including THE Civil War) and our internal clashes - such as the Civil Rights unrest that started in the 1960s but there were others throughout our history if you bothered to look. Why should we forget our history and make decisions for other countries? Let THEM sort our THEIR issues first. Then, if we don't like what they do, we just don't trade with them.

Along the lines of how religions guide our personal interactions with others: It is not my concern that a man beats his wife for any particular religious purpose. If he does that, he is an idiot regardless of his religion. It is possible that he does what he does out of having been religiously indoctrinated. In that case, I blame religion - but the problem is still that the person who physically abuses another person is still a thug, idiot, or worse.

Oh, one last little thing: Blade, my comments about fear stemmed from the article (that you had trouble opening online) in which the author tried to say that "phobeo" doesn't always mean "fear" in the Greek texts, in the context of "fearing God." In my opinion, he was being an apologist.

Of COURSE you have to fear God if you are going to be a "good little worshiper" - because the God in question is arrogant, narcissistic, authoritarian, mercurial, and vengeful. Just like the leader of many street gangs today, you do as he says because you fear he will squash you out of existence if you don't. My point was that the author of the article was trying to say that "fear" (in Greek) didn't mean what it meant when used in the Bible, even though the Bible was translated from the Greek texts in question. This is a typical example of Biblical apologist double-speak. Thanks, but no thanks. A literal translation is all I need. I don't need some jerk-wad telling me what words mean when their meanings are well-known already.

 

[Bladerunner]

That has to be the exception. I have literally held hundreds of doors for hundreds people, and never ever got a negative response. I have gotten nonresponses but never negative. I hold doors for people, not for them rather for myself. I enjoy it.

Secondly do you feel you are driving people towards the gospel or does it matter? I would think the main goal of any Christian would be promote the gospel (the good news). I see little difference between the two sides....no good news.

Hi AccessBlaster....it has been a while ........good to talk to you again.

First, I do hold doors, etc. , like you, for the person to show respect. Just raised that way. As old as I am, I still say Sir and ma'am to people regardless of their age, just raised that way and my children do the same. As to the negative responses, I get very few but those few are really noticeable which is why I brought them up. Mostly young women who have an axe to grind or something,,,,I don't know???

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You question about the gospel is a good one and the answer is NO.

According to some dictionary, Gospel means the teachings of Jesus Christ. I do not teach that. What I do try to teach is the fact that the Holy Bible is a specifically designed book by a supernatural person,, God, who is outside of our time continuum. He not only created the earth and the heavens but he also knew what was going to happen before it happened. Our scientist are just now finding that out. With aid of Computers, we can not only search the Bible for similarities, but we can check out the meanings of phrases and words, in all three of the translations (Hebrew, Greek and Latin) and even the original codex (scrolls) held by the Catholic Church.

Yet, with all of our technology, a Rabbi in 1500 AD spoke of 10 dimensions, four knowable and 6 unknowable that he derived from Genesis. Yet, our scientist with the aid of a Haldron collider and quantum mechanics are just now chasing those very 6 other dimensions. The Bible speaks of the time after his resurrection that Jesus knocked on the LOCKED door of his disciples and yet, was in the room without walking through the walls. Quantum mechanics, shows us that electrons can be in many places at almost the same time without touching anything in between. People it is real.

Another Rabbi in Spain around 1200 AD, spoke about the 400 years the promised land would be held by the Ottoman empire (1500 - 1900). The return of it to Israel (1901), all 300 years before it happened. Yet we know through history records, it did happen exactly as he told it. He did say that the prophet Isaiah told him about this future. Isaiah died around 698 BC. People, this was outside of the Bible. It is REAL.

It shows that world wide events that are happening and those that will happen have already been written . He Knows what is going to happen. (i.e Jesus told the Hebrew people (prophecy) in 32 AD that Jerusalem in the future would be surrounded on three sides by a conquering Army. When this happened, everyone could escape through this side that was not covered.) It actually happened just that way, and not a Christian (because they believed, all others died) was killed during that destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD by Titus and the Roman Empire. People It is real.

I could go on but as Frothy once said that when scripture is written or talked about in here, it is ignored.

I want to show you the Bible is real and welcome any questions you may have.

1. God is shows us that he is real through the Bible by its written word.

2. That knowing the Gospel will not get you into heaven. No good deeds you do here on earth will get you into heaven. They will get you rewards once you get there.

3.There is only one way and I have said it many times before. Your sins were taken care of along time ago on the CROSS. All you got to do now is recognize that and ask Jesus for his help.

Only Your Eternal life is at stake here.

AccessBlaster, sorry I got a little carried away.

Have a nice day

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

I admit that's an unsettling prospect, Blade, but long ago I had to deal with my fears of the boogeyman, as everyone does. The threat of the boogeyman - in one form or another has been used by religious proselytizers, missionaries, and preachers for as long as there has been religion.
"If you don't believe what I am telling you, then you're going to Hell."
I won't live my life or alter my beliefs based on threats of boogeymen, or promises of paradise.
I'm true to myself. I've examined my core beliefs as truly as I am able.
Better than that, I cannot be.

You didn't answer my question about the magic coin.

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Hi Libre: sorry it took so long for me to answer.....

In the Beginning, Satan caused EVE to eat of that bad bad apple. We would have been in paradise had that not happened. Yet, it did and we eat of it every day.

God tells us that he is restraining the evil of Satan and man himself. That in the end days (Jacobs Troubles) he will undo that restraint. In other words, it is only going to get worse.

No, your birth was not just a random happening. No, Evolution of the species is not real.

If you do not believe in God or Jesus, you cannot believe in Satan. Having said that, I have a question. Why is it that all through history Good has always been fighting Evil. Anywhere you go, in any time period? The answer is that there is only Good and Evil!

We know that Lucifer was a fallen angel and we know that God him the realm of earth to rule over. We also know that according to Job (the oldest book in the Bible), the Satan will do anything to anyone in order to get your soul. Do you know the story..... ?

You will probably say that well...God let it happened. Yes, he let it happen for a reason. When all was said and done, he give everything back to Job (except his wife and children that died) in multiple of what he had. Yes, Job did remarry and had many children.

Do we suffer like that these days, NO......no yet......

There are only two sides of this coin,,,,,,, The Good and The Bad.

It seems you have already made you decision. That is very unfortunate. That in no way causes me to think bad of you or anything like that. In fact, I don't even pity you because you have made a knowable decision and will be held responsible for it.

About the 'magic coin', you will have to ask that again,,,,,,I missed that one. Sorry,,,my secretary's eyes are failing.

Have a great and productive day

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

Blade,

It is of no concern to me that Obama is any particular religion. He doesn't push that religion (whatever it is) down our throats in the name of religion, unlike some people here. He does what he does because that is his political stance.

I see Mr. Obama as a product of his times. Pulling out of the Middle East wars is an extension of what this country has wanted to do for a long time. The Viet Nam conflict and now the Middle East conflict are issues for which there is limited support at best. Continual involvement in war is not popular unless you make ammunition for a living. Which means that at least some of the push is for the benefit of the so-called military-industrial complex, not necessarily for the benefit of the USA as a whole.

We are not the world's traffic cop and should not be. Therefore, if Mr. Obama chooses to not support the wars overseas, he is merely reflecting the political stance of lots of his constituents. I can't truthfully say that in the changing political climate of the world he is wrong to try to disengage from wars that are unwinnable. Essentially the wars are unwinnable because they are more on the order of civil wars (between Wahabbi, Sunni, and Shiite sectarian groups) where we would have to violate our own concept of freedom of religion to pick a side. If we pick one sect, we have in essence made a decision between different religions. It would be the same as if we chose (let me be arbitrary here) that Methodism was the "right" religion and all others were wrong. Do you see the analogy? Do you recognize that the conflicts really would force us to violate our own concept of freedom of religion?

What happens when the war is over is that life can quiet down and people can stop to think about how to improve their lot in life. And if it happens that the nation that just ended a conflict starts yet another internal conflict because the previous winners cannot hold on to their winnings... is that really our problem? This country went through a lot of similar historical turbulence including the time after the end of the Revolutionary war and the beginning of the United States government as a new nation on Earth. We've had our civil wars (including THE Civil War) and our internal clashes - such as the Civil Rights unrest that started in the 1960s but there were others throughout our history if you bothered to look. Why should we forget our history and make decisions for other countries? Let THEM sort our THEIR issues first. Then, if we don't like what they do, we just don't trade with them.

Along the lines of how religions guide our personal interactions with others: It is not my concern that a man beats his wife for any particular religious purpose. If he does that, he is an idiot regardless of his religion. It is possible that he does what he does out of having been religiously indoctrinated. In that case, I blame religion - but the problem is still that the person who physically abuses another person is still a thug, idiot, or worse.

Oh, one last little thing: Blade, my comments about fear stemmed from the article (that you had trouble opening online) in which the author tried to say that "phobeo" doesn't always mean "fear" in the Greek texts, in the context of "fearing God." In my opinion, he was being an apologist.

Of COURSE you have to fear God if you are going to be a "good little worshiper" - because the God in question is arrogant, narcissistic, authoritarian, mercurial, and vengeful. Just like the leader of many street gangs today, you do as he says because you fear he will squash you out of existence if you don't. My point was that the author of the article was trying to say that "fear" (in Greek) didn't mean what it meant when used in the Bible, even though the Bible was translated from the Greek texts in question. This is a typical example of Biblical apologist double-speak. Thanks, but no thanks. A literal translation is all I need. I don't need some jerk-wad telling me what words mean when their meanings are well-known already.

Doc....it seems that you and I agree on somethings and other things we can agree to disagree.

It is clear that you like Libre have made you choice. Like Libre, I feel this is unfortunate.

I don't ever think I was called a jerk-wad before,,,,,must be something new but I know by the way you used it, its meaning is Bad........Good and Bad.....always Good and Bad

Have a nice day Doc

Blade

 

[dan-cat]

In fact, I don't even pity you because you have made a knowable decision and will be held responsible for it.

This is why I reject your point of view out of hand.

If you were able to view the results of Libre's decision, right here and now, on earth, you WOULD feel pity for him or have severe emotional issues.

It is only because your belief pushes the results of Libre's decision beyond your scope of experience that it remains remotely palatable for you.

This is the way it must be to retain such a belief. You must disconnect yourself emotionally from the plight of others. To not feel pity. Transferring the consequences of disbelief to the realm that you cannot experience allows you to do this.

You talk about the consequences of disbelief but you don't feel them.
That is the terrible consequence of your belief. You cannot help those who are in the worst strife of all and the only comfort you can glean is that it was their decision. To me that is no comfort at all.

 

[Bladerunner]

It is clear that some on this thread feel that what I am writing about is wrong (for several reasons).

I have tried to answer your questions as truthfully as I can. I have tried to get you to see that GOD is the real thing and what SIMPLE step (1) you have to take to ensure a life of immortality. I don't gain anything by doing this, yet I feel that there is a blinding wall over some of those eyes that post in this forum. This is what I wanted to remove at least for some.

However, I also feel and see that any further (as some put it 'Preaching') attempts at educating you to the fact that the Bible is a specifically designed Book will be futile unless there is a wanting of that information by some of those on this thread.

Therefore, from this day forward, if someone has a question(s) out there, I will try and answer it.

If someone directs a post at me, I will also answer it.

If someone states a falsehood about God or the Bible, I will correct it with references.

If you want to attack me in a post, without any statement or question, I will not reply.

If no one does one of the above, then I will not be back on this thread. simple as that.

I will not promise that I can keep to the above statements because in the past my promises have rather worthless..lol..... I will, however, try very hard,

Rem,this,,,,,you sins have already been paid for in BLOOD. All you have to do is recognize that and ask for help from Jesus. It is that SIMPLE!

I hope everyone has a huge number of great days ahead and may God Bless every one of you!

Bladerunner

 

[dan-cat]

This is what I wanted to remove at least for some.

Why some? This comes across as very sinister. Perhaps unintentional.

However, I also feel and see that any further (as some put it 'Preaching') attempts at educating you to the fact that the Bible is a specifically designed Book will be futile unless there is a wanting of that information by some of those on this thread.

Absolutely. I don't want to feel pitiless.

Therefore, from this day forward, if someone has a question(s) out there, I will try and answer it.

If someone directs a post at me, I will also answer it. ...

All very grandiose but what you are doing is nothing special.
You hold a religious belief ... nothing special.
You are discussing that belief on the internet ... nothing special

If you really want to know why your approach is a turn off ... at least for me... I can describe with two points.

1) Lack of humility
2) Lack of pity

 

[Frothingslosh]

Blade, the only people posting falsehoods in this thread (since I've joined it) about God and the Bible have been you and Al-Aziz.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Hi AccessBlaster....it has been a while ........good to talk to you again.


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You question about the gospel is a good one and the answer is NO.

According to some dictionary, Gospel means the teachings of Jesus Christ. I do not teach that. What I do try to teach is the fact that the Holy Bible is a specifically designed book by a supernatural person,, God, who is outside of our time continuum. He not only created the earth and the heavens but he also knew what was going to happen before it happened. Our scientist are just now finding that out. With aid of Computers, we can not only search the Bible for similarities, but we can check out the meanings of phrases and words, in all three of the translations (Hebrew, Greek and Latin) and even the original codex (scrolls) held by the Catholic Church.

I think the core message of the Gospel is "Good News" as illustrated here.

The Basic Meaning of the Term

The term gospel is found ninety-nine times in the NASB and ninety-two times in the NET Bible. In the Greek New Testament, gospel is the translation of the Greek noun euangelion (occurring 76 times) “good news,” and the verb euangelizo (occurring 54 times), meaning “to bring or announce good news.” Both words are derived from the noun angelos, “messenger.” In classical Greek, an euangelos was one who brought a message of victory or other political or personal news that caused joy. In addition, euangelizomai (the middle voice form of the verb) meant “to speak as a messenger of gladness, to proclaim good news.”1 Further, the noun euangelion became a technical term for the message of victory, though it was also used for a political or private message that brought joy.2

My point is by focusing on Obama and other religions might be legit in other posts, here it only servers to harden the opposition.
You are part of a faith based religion that struggles to prove your points with rhetoric. Faith, good works and leading by example is all the proof you need.

 

[Libre]

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About the 'magic coin', you will have to ask that again,,,,,,I missed that one. Sorry,,,my secretary's eyes are failing.

Have a great and productive day

Blade

Blade-
I'm not sure how to link you, but check out my post #5328

 

[Frothingslosh]

You know, I was having a discussion similar to this topic with a friend Tuesday night, and we both had to agree:

If you just look at the teachings attributed to Jesus, it really boils down the Wil Wheaton Principle ("Don't be a dick.").

And in the interest of full disclosure, my friend is not only a full-on atheist, but is loudly and evangelically convinced that Christianity is, as he puts it, "a religion of evil".

 

[Libre]

Another thing, Blade-
If Satan made Eve eat the apple (from the tree of knowledge, giving human beings the ability to think, to reason, to question the existence of spiritual beings, essentially - and if not, what is the fruit from the TOK good for anyway) - so if she had never eaten that fruit, and Adam had never eaten that fruit, and we were in paradise, would we know or care that we were in paradise?
You think the evolution of species is all a fabrication or a gross mis-understanding of the origins and development of life on Earth?
You can write off all the contradictions and just plain old terrible advice in the Bible?
You think that the only true forces are GOOD and EVIL, the former backed by the Man above and the latter by the "fallen angel" below? So wars and baseball games are really being fought - and played - in proxy for these two deities?
If you believe all this, then I can say that you TOO have chosen. You've chosen the path of ignorance and it's there you seem doomed to stay.
Whatever will you say to the Gatekeeper (if he indeed exists) when he lets me in as a freethinker, but you are condemned for believing claptrap with no evidence.

 

[Rabbie]

Another Rabbi in Spain around 1200 AD, spoke about the 400 years the promised land would be held by the Ottoman empire (1500 - 1900).


Blade

Just a small quibble with you here. The Ottoman Empiren/turkey controlled what is now called Israel till 1916 not 1900. After that it was under the control the British until 1948.

You really need to make sure your facts are correct because just one error weakens all your arguments.