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@AccessBlaster
I'll concede the word was used clumsily.
However when I use words inappropriately or talk nonsense, it doesn't have any impact on the population of a country.
Whereas every time Trump does so (which is frequently), it has a significant impact
 
isladogs said:
@AccessBlaster
I'll concede the word was used clumsily.
However when I use words inappropriately or talk nonsense, it doesn't have any impact on the population of a country.
Whereas every time Trump does so (which is frequently), it has a significant impact
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Point to where Trump has killed anyone with Bleach or Hydroxychloroquine...oh yeah I found one

Trump Is Not Responsible for the Death of a Man Who Swallowed Fish Tank Cleaner
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isladogs said:
@AccessBlaster
I'll concede the word was used clumsily.
However when I use words inappropriately or talk nonsense, it doesn't have any impact on the population of a country.
Whereas every time Trump does so (which is frequently), it has a significant impact
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I had a long conversation somewhere buried in one of threads here about Trump and I was trying to tell that Trump is not a normal person to do normal mistakes. The whole world is looking at him and his responsibility is different, so he should be more careful when he opens his mouth. But everybody was saying he's a human and a human do mistakes.

I can't still understand their point.
 
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All kidding aside, I just want EVERYONE to get back to work and live a good and prosperous life. If sleepy joe can pull that off then fantastic.

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isladogs said:
@AccessBlaster
I'll concede the word was used clumsily.
However when I use words inappropriately or talk nonsense, it doesn't have any impact on the population of a country.
Whereas every time Trump does so (which is frequently), it has a significant impact
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Trump said what he said. He may have been too glib. But we need to also examine the context that many reporting on Trump purposely misconstrue (in a negative manner) what Trump said. Along those lines, Trump (being humorous) asked the Russians to hand over Hillary Clinton's emails. The press went berserk wildly accusing Trump of colluding with Rusia. Trump was joking.

However, if getting into the implications of using "words inappropriately or talk nonsense, it doesn't have any impact on the population of a country."; where is the public outrage concerning Biden, who could be the next US President?

Biden has made plenty of gaffs. It is well known that when it comes to women, he is touchy feely and has recently been accused of sexual assault by Tera Reade. The left wing press and various women's groups have been amazingly silent on this issue. Hillary Clinton, in 2015, made a big deal that sexual assault victims have a right to be heard and a right to be believed yet Tera Reade's accusations don't seem to be worthy of reporting or investigating.

So when it comes to Trump, the slightest foot-in-the-mouth misuse of language is elevated to a major faux pas mandating Trump's impeachment. When it comes to Biden, the similar abuse of language just shows his gentle down to earth folksy nature which makes him a man-of-the-people worthy to have his finger on the nuclear weapons trigger. Vote for good old Joe!!! (sarcasm)
 
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Tera said:
I had a long conversation somewhere buried in one of threads here about Trump and I was trying to tell that Trump is not a normal person to do normal mistakes. The whole world is looking at him and his responsibility is different, so he should be more careful when he opens his mouth. But everybody was saying he's a human and a human do mistakes.

I can't still understand their point.
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That was me Tera. My point was that to hold someone to an impossible standard is, well, impossible. For me, you have to look at the aggregate, not individual things someone says. For example, Einstein said God does not play dice with the universe. This was in reference to quantum physics, for which he was very skeptical. Well, he was clearly wrong. However, the guy, on aggregate, is a genius, in particular in the realm of physics. People have strengths and weaknesses. They can also be right on things they are bad at, and wrong on things they are world experts at. The same for politicians. There is nobody out there that is all strengths. Given that, it is easy to criticise others for what they say and believe.

Regarding Trumps recent comments on "lets light up our insides" (chuckling at this!), I think he is just kinda riffing on the thoughts out loud. Thought experiments of sorts. I was told that he also said he was not a doctor after his comments, although I haven't actually seen the clips.

As an aside, Trump was widely criticised in the media for suggesting his campaign was being spied on. Well, turned out to be true. So, perceptions can change once you have more information.

One extra thing! Religion! Atheists think that the religious believe in nonsense. Its all in their heads. Yet 80% of American citizens are religious. So, if you are an atheist, why not talk about the dangers of following something that doesn't actually exist?
 
Steve R. said:
Trump said what he said. He may have been too glib. But we need to also examine the context that many reporting on Trump purposely misconstrue (in a negative manner) what Trump said. Along those lines, Trump (being humorous) asked the Russians to hand over Hillary Clinton's emails. The press went berserk wildly accusing Trump of colluding with Rusia. Trump was joking.

However, if getting into the implications of using "words inappropriately or talk nonsense, it doesn't have any impact on the population of a country."; where is the public outrage concerning Biden, who could be the next US President?

Biden has made plenty of gaffs. It is well known that when it comes to women, he is touchy feely and has recently been accused of sexual assault by Tera Reade. The left wing press and various women's groups have been amazingly silent on this issue. Hillary Clinton, in 2015, made a big deal that sexual assault victims have a right to be heard and a right to be believed yet Tera Reade's accusations don't seem to be worthy of reporting or investigating.

So when it comes to Trump, the slightest foot-in-the-mouth misuse of language is elevated to a major faux pas mandating Trump's impeachment. When it comes to Biden, the similar abuse of language just shows his gentle down to earth folksy nature which makes him a man-of-the-people worthy to have his finger on the nuclear weapons trigger. Vote for good old Joe!!! (sarcasm)
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I agree with most of what you have written here.

I think political views come in. Once you have established your "team", you have nailed yourself to the mast. You will seek out evidence confirming your opinion, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. Confirmation bias: https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-confirmation-bias-2795024

We all do it, and I am not immune to it myself either.

Edit: Little thought experiment. If I was born in Pakistan, I would probably believe in the Koran, even if I moved to the UK. This is a good example of confirmation bias at work. You hang on to what you were initially taught.
 
@Jon I understand your point. But as the president of US don't you think Trump's wrong and mistaken comments are too much? (comparing to previous presidents)?
Did you saw his interview about Korea and their solution with covid-19? He simply said "Nobody knows Korea better than me. Seoul's population is 300 million .......) Is this what a President supposed to say in front of media? He doesn't even know the population of a city and not only he talks about it, but he says I know better than you do.

And it's not the first time. I can give you a long list.
 
Steve R. said:
Biden has made plenty of gaffs. It is well known that when it comes to women, he is touchy feely and has recently been accused of sexual assault by Tera Reade. The left wing press and various women's groups have been amazingly silent on this issue. Hillary Clinton, in 2015, made a big deal that sexual assault victims have a right to be heard and a right to be believed yet Tera Reade's accusations don't seem to be worthy of reporting or investigating.
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Answer: CNN doesn't give it any credence, therefore it simply doesn't exist.
 
Tera said:
@Jon I understand your point. But as the president of US don't you think Trump's wrong and mistaken comments are too much? (comparing to previous presidents)?
Did you saw his interview about Korea and their solution with covid-19? He simply said "Nobody knows Korea better than me. Seoul's population is 300 million .......) Is this what a President supposed to say in front of media? He doesn't even know the population of a city and not only he talks about it, but he says I know better than you do.

And it's not the first time. I can give you a long list.
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It's called hyperbole, and yes most of the world doesn't get it.
 
Tera, I understand your perspective. Let me give you an example of something.

Person A is a financial genius and performs miracles for the economy, improving the countries wealth and negotiating better trade deals. But, they have terrible diplomacy.

Person B is a genius at diplomacy, yet terrible at running the economy. But the country is loved by others.

Each of these people have different strengths and weaknesses. Some of the traits that it takes to be good at one may be the opposite of those needed for the other. My examples are probably terrible. It is just that you can't be great at everything. We can focus on the things that Trump says that some consider bad. But what about the good? The economy was doing great. Essentially, if we are trying to say Person A shouldn't be doing X, we are saying Person A shouldn't be who they are. But perhaps being who they are in its totality is what got them to be where they are today.

I believe one of the reasons some people support Trump is that his message sounds congruent. Most politicians wrap word salads around everything so it all sounds palatable, but ultimately you don't really know what they believe. I prefer straight talking!

don't you think Trump's wrong and mistaken comments are too much?
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They thought him saying he was being spied on was wrong and mistaken.
 
Tera said:
@Jon I understand your point. But as the president of US don't you think Trump's wrong and mistaken comments are too much? (comparing to previous presidents)?
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Have you undertaken such an analysis to support your supposition? Memories fade over time, but I don't have any sense that Trump has been wrong or mistaken out of the ordinary.

Tera said:
@Jon I understand your point. But as the president of US don't you think Trump's wrong and mistaken comments are too much? (comparing to previous presidents)?
Did you saw his interview about Korea and their solution with covid-19? He simply said "Nobody knows Korea better than me. Seoul's population is 300 million .......) Is this what a President supposed to say in front of media? He doesn't even know the population of a city and not only he talks about it, but he says I know better than you do.

And it's not the first time. I can give you a long list.
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Well, Trump may have given an incorrect figure for the population of Seoul, but then look at Biden's gaffs. Biden said 150 million people in the US died from gun violence. That's nearly 50% of the US population. So I hope, should you provide a long list, that you include Biden's gaff. After all, should he be elected, he will have his finger on the nuclear weapons trigger.
 
AccessBlaster said:
It's called hyperbole, and yes most of the world doesn't get it.
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Yes, I agree with you. That is one reason why in this recent episode he said at the end he is not a doctor. He knows he is riffing, and so he clarified. I think its the same thing about the windmill noise thing he said. He is just kidding, goofing around for effect. The haters want to take it literally and use that as evidence he is (a billionaire!) incompetent. So, often what he says is taken out of context and presented in such a way as to shed poor light on it. But that is just being disingenuous. Then again, politics is dirty.

Edit: It might not be disingenuous, even though in many cases it probably is. If someone believes something so much they will only seek out something that confirms their belief. So, Trump said windmill noise causes cancer. He is an idiot. But that is because they have closed their mind to the possibility he is goofing around. They want to believe he is an idiot. So, lets take a personal decision to take his statement literally.

And, since my paragraph above would also challenge that believe, my paragraph itself will be perceived as being flawed. I don't blame the reader though. It is how we are wired through evolution. We evolved to not think with accuracy, but for efficiency, conserving calories in the process. So, we have many mental short-cuts. We often rely on reflexive thought, rather than deliberative thinking. There is a book on the topic called Thinking Fast and Slow. It has great reviews, although to be honest I found it very boring! I did read it all though!
 
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Well, Trump may have given an incorrect figure for the population of Soul, but then look at Biden's gaffs. Biden said 150 million people in the US died from gun violence. That's nearly 50% of the US population. So I hope, should you provide a long list, that you include Biden's gaff. After all, should he be elected, he will have his finger on the nuclear weapons trigger.
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That is further evidence that supports my point: you cannot expect perfection in anybody. To do so means you do not understand human nature. You can say someone is a president and so therefore should not make mistakes. Yet that conflicts with human nature, where to err is human. A Buddhist would argue that there is reality, and our perception of reality. They are not the same. Dukkha, or suffering, can come from the mismatch between our belief about how things "should" be, and how things actually are in nature.
 
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Slightly off-topic from the above train of thought, is anyone else living off frozen food like me at the moment? What is scary is I am starting to love the stuff! :D

I've got a few keepers for when the crisis is over. There is this nice frozen katsu chicken dish. I bought three of them!
 
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