Elon Musk - Tesla - FSD

[Mike Krailo]

We already have constant surveillance. We had a bank robbery a few years ago. LE was able to track the robber for miles by collecting surveillance video from stores, ring doorbells, traffic cameras, etc. all the way to the hotel he was staying at.

And yet we still don't know the guy who planted the bomb in front of the DNC on Jan 6th.

 

[AccessBlaster]

And yet we still don't know the guy who planted the bomb in front of the DNC on Jan 6th.

Because it was a Democrat operative trying to ensnare Trump in some J6 conspiracy.

 

[AccessBlaster]

BTW, they do know.

 

[moke123]

BTW, they do know.

I agree. But they likely don't have enough for a solid conviction.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The big hint was the device was a training device used by a certain agency. Never meant to explode, more likely to frame.

 

[moke123]

Looks like you should be able to pick up a used tesla on the cheap.

Tesla Trade-Ins Are At An All-Time High, Edmunds Says

JPMorgan analysts said this week they struggled to think of another time “a [car] brand has lost so much value so quickly."

ca.finance.yahoo.com

even tesla execs are dumping their tesla stocks

 

[Mike Krailo]

I didn't mean to derail the thread. Whoops.

 

[Mike Krailo]

Looks like you should be able to pick up a used tesla on the cheap.

Tesla Trade-Ins Are At An All-Time High, Edmunds Says

JPMorgan analysts said this week they struggled to think of another time “a [car] brand has lost so much value so quickly."

ca.finance.yahoo.com

even tesla execs are dumping their tesla stocks

I guess they never cared about the environment after all.

 

[moke123]

costing the idiots real money

I've had more cars than I can count but I can't understand why someone would spend that kind of money for a car to begin with. And take out a car loan on top of that. I care about the environment but I also don't think EV's are ready for primetime, at least for my purposes. I just bought my first used car, on a whim, a few months ago and it only gets 17-18 mpg. I must be a bad liberal.

 

[Cotswold]

I asked grok to turn my observations into a post here below:-

Cotswold, I get why you’d question the point of FSD and all the money being poured into it—it’s a fair thing to wonder about, especially if you’re not sold on the Musk/Tesla hype. But here’s one way to look at why Musk says a car’s value could shoot up once FSD is fully ready, even for folks who’d rather roll their eyes at him.

So the object is to increase the value cost of a car by a considerable amount.

Maybe making them unaffordable to buy meaning that they would be rented. As many phones are. The rented phones are charged to include 20% interest on capital employed and more. Which is why I'll only buy a £100 Android and never rent an Apple. But if it was an Apple, or nothing, I'd do without.

Presumably you'll telephone for a car to be dispatched to pick you up and take you to your destination. Thereby increasing considerably the number of journeys made by vehicles. No doubt suffering huge delays waiting for a lift, in the same way that EVs do at present in charging.

"Apologies Fred you cannot have a car until tomorrow to take you back home. In the meantime you can stay in the Musk Hotel at £350 for the night." Or maybe it is a busy period , or you are going to and from an event like the Cheltenham Gold Cup so the price is double, or treble. (Premier Inn in Cheltenham £90, in Gold Cup Week £430.) Or your car arrives and some kid has been sick in it. Etc, etc.

Then of course Musk will no doubt sell details of your movements etc, etc. Goodbye freedom, welcome control.
I still don't see it working. Well not for me anyway. Mind you I can be a bit glass-half-empty on stuff like this.

 

[moke123]

Then of course Musk will no doubt sell details of your movements etc, etc.

worse than that . . .

 

[Mike Krailo]

worse than that . . .

No, you are allowing analytic data to be collected anonymously. Turn it off if you don't like it.

To disable the Tesla cabin camera, you can go into the vehicle's settings and turn off the data sharing for the cabin camera analytics. This can be done by navigating to Controls > Safety & Security > Data Sharing and choosing "No" for Allow Cabin Analytics. However, this only stops the data from being shared with Tesla; it does not disable the camera itself. If you want to physically disable the camera, you can cover the lens with a camera cover or black tape. 235

Tesla's cabin camera is designed to capture data in case of a safety event, such as a collision, to help Tesla develop future safety features and software enhancements. The camera data is not associated with your vehicle identification number to protect your privacy. 3

As of the latest updates, Tesla has introduced new features that monitor the driver while in Autopilot mode, which can be turned off by adjusting the data sharing settings in the same manner as for cabin camera analytics. 4

If you wish to disable the camera's functionality entirely, you can use a camera cover or similar device to block the camera lens.

 

[Steve R.]

According to the Democrats, climate change is the threat to life on earth. Biden issued numerous regulations aimed at putting cars and appliance dependent on fossil fuels out of business. Now that Musk has joined with Trump, Musk is being cancelled. As one high profile example: Mark Kelly touts new (gas guzzling) SUV after saying he was ditching Tesla. That makes the entire radical left environmental movement a fraud.

 

[moke123]

No, you are allowing analytic data to be collected anonymously. Turn it off if you don't like it.

And the exterior cameras?

 

[Mike Krailo]

And the exterior cameras?

What about them?

 

[AccessBlaster]

And the exterior cameras?

The exterior cameras are there to catch the modern day klan. The people who love displaying swastikas and burning things. They traded in their white robes for black hoodies. They're the same folks, using fire and symbols to terrorize their victims.

 

[Cotswold]

worse than that . . .

Unbelievable!
Is that legal? Are these people weirdos? Maybe gathering images of children without permission. They must also be recording conversations, probably without permission. Scope for blackmail and other nefarious intent. They will know who the owner is and may well target politicians, investment company CEOs, competitors and others. Maybe Trump and Buffet? Mind you Buffet would have more sense. Probably running about in a 30 year old car anyway.

I just wonder with the external cameras, if someone stood at the side of the road, happened to swing a bag out into the road. Would the Tesla slam on the brakes? with the cars behind running into them.

 

[Cotswold]

Neither can I but I also wouldn't buy an Apple product. I think it is part virtue signaling and part "I have money to waste" and I'm flaunting it.

Exactly. Why spend money thinking you'll impress people you don't even know. But some do. Mind you so called 'prestige motors' don't break down less than a Ford. A Range Rover apparently spends 17 days a year in the workshop on average.

I have a perfectly good petrol car that does everything I need it to do. If I had bought the EV version it was nearly twice the price. When you do the maths an EV doesn't add up. I would need to be driving over 25,000 miles a year, just to save money of petrol. Being retired not a chance. Then there is the precipitous depreciation.
If you need to replace the batteries lord knows what that will cost. Just disposing of them must eye wateringly expensive, after all, it costs around £5 just for a tyre. Insurance is also higher because the slightest bump can make the batteries unstable and more prone to catching fire. Personally, I believe that recent increases in insurance on other cars is due to the EV costs being spread around. But as a company car they are tax efficient and therefore popular with staff.

A neighbour bought a new EV, then a month ago it broke down. The dealership was lost as to why. So they had the manufacturers roaming EV "expert technician" who declared it would need a software fix. Which has been confidently predicted to be "in the near future". Is that this year, or next, he was asked sarcastically and he couldn't say. So a nearly new car is gathering dust at the back of the workshop happily depreciating away. All for the sake of a line of code that is probably not the version in use now. Maybe even with those that wrote it, unavailable, or unwilling to amend it? I've stopped asking him how things are going now because he wanders about looking like he's chewing a wasp.

 

[Cotswold]

I seem to remember it being about 30% of the initial cost so $12k +

People who own Tesla's swear by them but then so to Mac and iPhone users. When the twins went to college, I was going to buy them laptops. They wanted mac air(?). I told them to buy their own "trophy" computers. It reminded me of the fights with their mother when she was in high school and refused to wear anything but Jordash. I think if a company wants me to wear their logo on my butt, they should be paying me for the advertising space

Three very expensive words "I deserve it"

Back in the day, if anyone was wearing something, or had say an umbrella with a company logo on. It was a freebie from a rep. Never close to a status symbol. I still take that view today.

 

[moke123]

Maybe gathering images of children without permission.

There was video of kids getting hit by the car on camera the employees posted.

If you need to replace the batteries lord knows what that will cost.

$13,000 to $20,000 PLUS DISPOSAL.

The tires alone run something like $500 each and need to replaced frequently due to the weight of the battery. Other parts are ridiculously expensive. But hey, no oil changes.

Insurance?