Former Climate Change Alarmist Reveals Corruption Within the Scientific Community

Uncle Gizmo said:
so they are prepared to bend the rules to promote the message that the people paying them want
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And what do you think: Is there more money in new technologies or in the old, established technologies?
Isn’t “continuing like this” more convenient than a change or even a restriction?
 
Uncle Gizmo said:
I may well have picked out the wrong example. I was aiming to make the point that these scientist's are asked by big business (deep pockets) to make a study on a particular thing, for example comparing butter against margarine and point out advantages and disadvantages, which are then used in their advertising to promote and demote features.
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I got what you meant. I remember the advice too back in the day.
 
Uncle Gizmo said:
I was told that butter was bad for you. You need to switch to healthy margarine!
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Lucky Charms cereal is healthier than steaks because evil cows fart and pollute the atmosphere. It's science :D
 
I'm not sure it's even a binary choice between 'natural' and 'manmade'. my emphasis is more is it cyclic or not.

all human beings suffer from the same lack of perspective when it comes to the potential of the existence of cycles that transcend the length of time periods we are used to tracking and therefore, comprehending.

thus are the climate alarmists correctly interpreting us as being near the end of one single trajectory, OR, are we somewhere in the middle of the first of a million cycles?

Answer: we have no idea, but a generation 100 removed might....
 
When you talk about cycles: Would humans be able and willing to reset their own changes to the world so that, for example, we would have the Brazilian rainforest and the Great Planes with huge herds of bison again like we did 300 years ago?
 
Isaac said:
I'm not sure it's even a binary choice between 'natural' and 'manmade'. my emphasis is more is it cyclic or not.

all human beings suffer from the same lack of perspective when it comes to the potential of the existence of cycles that transcend the length of time periods we are used to tracking and therefore, comprehending.

thus are the climate alarmists correctly interpreting us as being near the end of one single trajectory, OR, are we somewhere in the middle of the first of a million cycles?

Answer: we have no idea, but a generation 100 removed might....
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People tend to judge the climate based on their own puny existence. We all have heard people say "this is the hottest July ever." Or they will say the opposite "this is coldest July ever" as though their 50 years on the planet is a good gauge of climate.
 
ebs17 said:
When you talk about cycles: Would humans be able and willing to reset their own changes to the world so that, for example, we would have the Brazilian rainforest and the Great Planes with huge herds of bison again like we did 300 years ago?
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To the best of my knowledge 300 years ago, they didn't have any great planes or even small planes for than matter but they did have wood planes.

Aside from that, we cannot go back. We cannot stop doing something and expect the world to step back to be what we think it was because so many things have changed from 300 years ago. You yourself can revert if you want though. Live off the land, starve in winter, die if you have appendicitis, see your family starve if you can't work after an accident. There isn't anyone who knows what it was actually like 300 years ago anyway.

The facts are from previous form we will destroy every wild animal and probably the world itself. It is what humans have always done. Every invasion has resulted in wiping out the indigenous population and taking everything they had or destroying it. You cannot pick and choose the bits you want because it sounds idyllic. Amazon and Apple are probably creating more CO2 than many whole countries but I don't hear anyone calling for them to be shut down.

As individuals we can do so little but the organisations and governments who can have little intention of doing anything except complain about how little progress they have made and blame all of us for the problems. How do we use less plastic if every food is wrapped in it?
 
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ebs17 said:
When you talk about cycles: Would humans be able and willing to reset their own changes to the world so that, for example, we would have the Brazilian rainforest and the Great Planes with huge herds of bison again like we did 300 years ago?
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Planes weren't invented until the early 1900's, by the Wright brothers.
Col
 
ColinEssex said:
Planes weren't invented until the early 1900's, by the Wright brothers
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And the sky is sometimes blue.
Relevance to the topic? Is the opinion worn out? Arguments have been around for a long time.
 
Pat Hartman said:
And look at their multi-million dollar shorefront homes :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: And let us not forget their favorite mode of transportation which is private plane.
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This statement is shabby and biased.
"Of course" only these people have expensive villas, and private planes were invented especially for them.
The Republican party members, on the other hand, live in 60-square-meter apartments in blocks of flats and only ride bicycles.
 
It wasn't really clear from the extensive presentations so far that you're only worried about your gas powered car.
 
No, I expressly agreed to that and as you can read.
 
This particular combination of points shows a great deal of ambiguity, and I see it that way too.
 
ebs17 said:
And the sky is sometimes blue.
Relevance to the topic? Is the opinion worn out? Arguments have been around for a long time.
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I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I'm sure you will explain though.
Col
 
ColinEssex said:
Then I got this weird comment about blue sky etc. Most odd.
Col
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Maybe the inference was to blue sky thinking, brain-storming or run up the flag.
All terms that climateers use in their seminars, meetings and discussion groups as they create and expand their very own variation of climatology.

Their mantra that always must be strictly adhered to is : Disregard the facts, keep it simple and maintain the fear. There is money to be made.
 
Love the comments

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