FYI re the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment

[Mike Krailo]

For the first 150 years of our Republic, immigration was largely unlimited. The United States prospered greatly as a result.

I will condemn government interference in the free flow of labor as immoral, even if the Communist wing of the Republican party thinks that the government should have final say in every business and personal decision.

Why even have borders?

Countries have borders to define their territorial limits and to regulate the movement of people, goods, and services across them. Borders serve several purposes:

• Delineate territorial boundaries: Borders mark the edges of a country’s territory, separating it from neighboring countries.
• Regulate movement: Borders control the flow of people, goods, and services across them, allowing countries to manage immigration, trade, and economic activity.
• Protect sovereignty: Borders help countries maintain their independence and sovereignty by preventing unauthorized entry or interference from other countries.
• Manage resources: Borders can be used to manage natural resources, such as water, land, and minerals, within a country’s territory.
• Establish laws and regulations: Borders enable countries to enforce their laws and regulations within their territory, including laws related to taxation, employment, and environmental protection.
• Maintain national identity: Borders can be symbolic of a country’s national identity, culture, and history, and can be used to promote national unity and cohesion.

Legal immigration is always a welcome thing, but now there are 10's of thousands of illegal border crossings and rogue government support to encourage this behavior by rewarding them with free benefits that no legal immigrant ever got prior to the Biden admin. States are stealing from their citizens to perpetuate this crime against citizens and creating yet more incentive for even more border crossings at the tax payers expense.

This has nothing to do with free flow of labor. There are a whole lot of pissed off Chicago citizens that are fed up with this treasonous tactic. You have no idea how damaging this is to the whole country.

Chicago has had enough

Chicago's illegals getting social security cards

 

[Isaac]

I will condemn government interference in the free flow of labor as immoral,

I hope you remember that next time we discuss Unions and labor laws LOL

 

[Isaac]

Unprotected sex would be a lot less attractive to men if they, like some penguin species were responsible for taking care of the egg during the long Antarctic winter while the mother is off swimming and enjoying life until spring

Back to the 'Family' emphasis of mine.

If a man is having sex with various strangers at various times, he feels rather disconnected from the whole thing, including the pregnancy to a great degree.

If that man is the husband, he won't feel anywhere near as disconnected - he'll be poignantly aware of the work that another child will bring to him.

Sex within marriage is best

 

[Mike Krailo]

Unprotected sex would be a lot less attractive to men if they, like some penguin species were responsible for taking care of the egg during the long Antarctic winter while the mother is off swimming and enjoying life until spring.

You got that right Pat.

 

[ColinEssex]

I'm actually thinking that for most of the men I know, it would make them seriously consider celibacy

Looking after and raising children is a woman's job. The men go out to work all day. The woman should do housework and have the dinner cooking for when the man comes home from work.
Col

 

[Mike Krailo]

Looking after and raising children is a woman's job. The men go out to work all day. The woman should do housework and have the dinner cooking for when the man comes home from work.
Col

That must be the 11th commandment.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Unfortunately, Col, that idea is based on a religion-oriented world view. Not everyone agrees with it.

 

[RogerCooper]

Welfare state started to emerge in the 30's. It came out in full force in the 60's. It is completely irrational for a welfare state to have an open border. I'll leave it to your to explain to the rest of us why you think that I should provide welfare for every person in the world who decides to come to suck off the teat of the US's welfare system.

So, my question to you is - how many illegal aliens are you personally housing and supporting? if the answer is zero which I would almost bet the ranch on, why do you think that I should be required to house and clothe and feed and educate and provide medical services for everyone in the world who just walks over our border and squats?

No one says we have to provide welfare for them, just opportunity to work. Most government "welfare" programs are for the elderly like Social Security and Medicare, which most immigrants will be not be eligible for many years.

Let's not get to hung up on activities which the government deemed illegal and those is has deemed legal. The laws can be changed. And people can't always wait for the government to get around to it.

I do consider time and space. The Immigration Act of 1924 which created the first numerical limits on immigration was directed against immigrants from Southern & Eastern Europe (Asians and Africans having been barred earlier). It was a racist time.

 

[Mike Krailo]

No one says we have to provide welfare for them, just opportunity to work. Most government "welfare" programs are for the elderly like Social Security and Medicare, which most immigrants will be not be eligible for many years.

Let's not get to hung up on activities which the government deemed illegal and those is has deemed legal. The laws can be changed. And people can't always wait for the government to get around to it.

Why would anyone want to work when the first thing that happens after forcing their way in illegally is they get flown anywhere they want in the country and then get a huge handout? Do you get to fly or buss wherever you want and get a government credit card with thousands of dollars on it? This then attracts even more illegal border crossings because those that simply want a handout, come by the hundreds of thousands. Not only should there be limits to legal immigration, but at this point, there should be none whatsoever because there is an invasion of epic proportions. This is destroying our country by way striping the citizens of their sovereignty and makes the country less safe in the process. Any new jobs should go to existing citizens. Anyone not here legally, should be deported and never be allowed in again because they chose to break our laws, we have enough law breakers here already, we don't need anymore. That sends the opposite message to those who think they can walk all over our sovereignty as a nation.

 

[RogerCooper]

Please provide some documentation of huge handouts. Please provide the detail about the government credit card.

In NYC, they are putting people up in hotels at government expense until they receiving working papers. That expense is created entirely by the Federal government.

 

[RogerCooper]

Where are non-citizens being registered to vote? There are few jurisdictions that legal residents can vote in local elections, but few do.

 

[Isaac]

Looking after and raising children is a woman's job. The men go out to work all day. The woman should do housework and have the dinner cooking for when the man comes home from work.
Col

I think things should be split, but the part where I DIVERGE from the lib feminists is this idea that "the housework/childcare should always be split 50/50" - well that makes no sense, because IF only the man is working a full time job, then the total work = Housework + FullTimeJob, which means if he is doing the FullTimeJob + .5*housework, he is doing .75 of all the work.

Obviously, the totality of the situation should be taken into account - and then split fairly. When I am working full time and my wife is not, she does about 75% of the household work, I pitch in 25% just to keep myself honest and from getting physically lazy and to encourage her.

When she is working a sort of 2/3-time outside job, and I am working full time, I pitch in closer to .5 of the housework.

The feminists rule is silly - but the idea of splitting ALL of the work evenly is reasonable.

Now if I could get my son to pitch in more .... then I would feel like an expert parent, which I am not, and have not.

 

[Isaac]

Where are non-citizens being registered to vote? There are few jurisdictions that legal residents can vote in local elections, but few do.

There have been numerous cities that have passed ordinances recently specifically allowing non-citizens to vote in local elections.

Conservatives "conspiracy theory" came true again. As I always say, about 90% of them come true, so pay attention

 

[moke123]

Also, in states where no voter ID is required like NY, community activists are registering illegals to vote AND telling them to vote for Democrats.

Source?

Noncitizen voting, already illegal in federal elections, becomes a centerpiece of 2024 GOP messaging

In recent months, the specter of people who aren't American citizens and are voting in the United States has become a rallying cry for Republicans.

apnews.com

Noncitizen voting isn't an issue in federal elections, regardless of conspiracy theories. Here's why

Former President Donald Trump is turning to one of his favorite themes, the specter of immigrants improperly voting in federal elections.

apnews.com

 

[Mike Krailo]

Please provide some documentation of huge handouts. Please provide the detail about the government credit card.

In NYC, they are putting people up in hotels at government expense until they receiving working papers. That expense is created entirely by the Federal government.

Local government in the corrupt states affected, yes. Who paid for the trip over to the affected state? Who paid for the plane flights in the middle of the night from Tx to wherever? At what point is the flow of illegal's going to stop? This epidemic is expanding rapidly.

Where are non-citizens being registered to vote? There are few jurisdictions that legal residents can vote in local elections, but few do.

If a state wishes to cheat in an election, there are a myriad of ways for them to do so. By state, I mean those in control of the ballots and apparatus that counts the votes. Ballots do not have your name on them, they are generic and just indicate a vote one way or the other. So if there are any illegal ballots introduced into the system at any point before or during the counting process, then you can have cheating regardless of registrations of persons. So it's not voters that win elections, it's ballots.

To make it more legitimate sounding, they only need to add extra people to the registration list of voters via a simple checkbox on a form. That's it. This is why it's important for those voters that are on that list to be verified before election night. The Save Act was designed to at least take away the ability of illegals from just checking a box on a form to get a ballot.

 

[Steve R.]

@RogerCooper: The issue of whether or not illegal immigrants are being permitted to vote is actually a distraction from a more fundamental question. That is: Why are Democrats so adamant about suppressing proof of citizenship and also rejecting voter identification? Clearly they are doing it to "open a door" for voter fraud by making it difficult to verify if the voter is legitimate. Democrats, if they really believed in voter integrity as part of their "saving democracy" mantra would support voter identification.

 

[RogerCooper]

You are claiming massive fraud and yet no Attorney General including many Republicans was able to find any evidence of this. Can you cite an actual specific case of this happening. It would be easy to prove such an offense.

 

[Isaac]

It would be easy to prove such an offense.

That's funny, I think the exact opposite . It would be nearly impossible to "prove" the existence of "missing" ballots. In fact, impossible in most cases. That's why asking for evidence is such an obvious cop-out to really listening to the circumstantial evidence

 

[RogerCooper]

Pat Hartmann was claiming the actual ballots were created referencing illegal aliens. That would be easy to prove.

Throwing absentee ballots is harder to prove, but it can be done. There was Republican operative who did that in a primary. https://apnews.com/house-elections-general-news-united-states-house-of-representatives-35c38cf1cfca48e786eb763c8d19c611

Please cite the circumstantial evidence.

 

[Isaac]

there were all kinds of weird things that happened with the numbers on election night, there were people in philadelphia on video taping up cardboard over the windows so the monitors couldn't see them, there were mail trucks "lost", I mean I don't feel like doing this for you, but you can very easily google the things that made the election look suspect - and none of them are easy to prove