Habemus papam!

Yes, living on the 18th hole would be very cool! ⛳ I don't golf, but I like the vibe:D
 
The_Doc_Man said:
Well, we DO have to remember that when cars were first introduced, some areas required that you have a flag-bearer ride ahead on a horse to warn folks to tend to their horses while that noisy machine drove by.
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I'm not arguing with the need to control the roads. We ALL need to be abiding by the same rules and if we violate the rules we get our license to drive revoked. What I'm saying is that the "state" took away our natural right to drive in order to keep us "safe". Given the volume of traffic and the damage that can be caused by unsound driving practices, this is a right we probably needed to give up to the state. But the state took it from us so they could control our use of said right. So, they took the right from us and now give it back with strings attached.
 
Isaac said:
One of my dreams is to own a golf cart and use it for being mobile in a small, suburban idyllic type of town. Maybe when I retire.
Only I don't want to pay extra to live on a golf course, as I don't golf. I just want to ride the cart.
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I live on Galveston Island. I love it.
 
Isaac said:
That sounds peachy! I could deal with that!
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We have a lot of golf carts down there. and the government (city) has extended our inalienable right to drive them on many of our local streets. We are still alienated from other streets, though. lol
 
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A philosophical question: We talk about inalienable rights, but very few have been specifically enumerated or documented. Does an undocumented alien have undocumented inalienable rights?
 
The_Doc_Man said:
Does an undocumented alien have undocumented inalienable rights?
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According to the Dems they have more rights than citizens. So many that an idiot judge forced the government to fly a plane to the illegal's home country to pick him up so he can be brought back here where we can give him his "rights". So far it isn't turning out so good for the criminal;) Maybe some of his crimes will be good enough for the death penalty.
 
Isaac said:
I wish I coiuld prohibit street parking in my neighborhood. That sounds drastic until you see it first hand - many places in the street it's SO bad that you can BARELY pass a single car - never mind 2 can't pass almost anywhere. and people have 3 car garages on most homes in my street! They are so lazy their garage is full of junk as a storage shed, their cars on the streets.
3 car garage, 2 spaces on the driveway, and you still have to park all over the street - boggles my mind
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Sounds like the Northside of Chicago.
 
The benefit of an HOA is they set the rules so we have no on street parking. If you have more than one car, you need to block your own garage. I would have preferred that the builder who built the condos had been required to build 3 lane roads so visitors could at least park on the street temporarily.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
A philosophical question: We talk about inalienable rights, but very few have been specifically enumerated or documented. Does an undocumented alien have undocumented inalienable rights?
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I do think it's a valid debatable question of whether an illegal alien has constitutional rights. "We the people" certainly does not extend to just anyone anywhere, or a person illegally here who can't participate in society. I'd like to think we'd treat them about the same, just as a matter of honor and human respect, but I'm not sure legally they have constitutional rights.
 
Pat Hartman said:
The benefit of an HOA is they set the rules so we have no on street parking. If you have more than one car, you need to block your own garage. I would have preferred that the builder who built the condos had been required to build 3 lane roads so visitors could at least park on the street temporarily.
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Yeah, building nice wide streets is a good answer to the problem, I would love that here.
 
Isaac said:
I'm not sure legally they have constitutional rights.
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By treaty (for citizens of countries with which we have diplomatic relations) and by SCOTUS decisions, undocumented aliens have some but not all rights of the Bill of Rights.

This next article is not a quick read but it explores the question and offers references for the points it makes.


The shorter answer is that undocumented aliens have the right of due process. NOTE, however, that due process for a citizen might not be totally identical to due process for aliens. I.e. their "due process" may go through immigration courts, which are different from civil or criminal courts. In general, aliens have the rights of association and freedom of speech, and equal protection of the laws.

Aliens do NOT have 2nd amendment rights (witness the Colorado "flame-thrower" incident the perp couldn't buy a gun because he wasn't a citizen). The issues covered by the 14th amendment don't apply either. The distinction is that immigration is a PRIVILEGE, not a right, as upheld by SCOTUS back in the early days of the country. The 14th Amendment's admonitions lock down USA rights for USA citizens, but undocumented aliens are outside of the 14th amendment. Right now, "birthright citizenship" is underdoing high level scrutiny and if you thought L.A. was having riots, just wait until the "birthright" case gets decided.

Since we are talking about people here illegally, just a reminder: Mayor Bass of L.A. and Governor Newsome of CA seem to think they have something to say about ICE raids, but they don't. An Obama-era law, Arizona vs. United States, made it clear that only the Federal government has jurisdiction over immigration law. States may not interfere in any way with federal enforcement of immigration law. That technically means that the L.A. riots are interfering with a federal activity that cannot be usurped by the state or local governments. Newsome and Bass want the raids to stop, but they have no say in the matter... no authority whatsoever.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
A philosophical question: We talk about inalienable rights, but very few have been specifically enumerated or documented. Does an undocumented alien have undocumented inalienable rights?
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Isn't that the point? How would it be possible to ever list our inalienable rights? The government does not give them to us. They just ARE. Governments only take rights. Some they need to take so they can provide order to our society such as traffic laws. Otherwise we'd all kill ourselves or others. It would be like driving in a traffic circle in Boston. If you make eye contact, you've lost. No one is going to give way to let you out. You can go around forever or you can just exit when your turn comes up.

Maybe you have trouble conceiving of inalienable rights because they come from God and you are not a believer.
 
Pat Hartman said:
Maybe you have trouble conceiving of inalienable rights because they come from God and you are not a believer.
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The three most cited unalienable rights are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, yet we have prisons and the death penalty. Go figure.
 
moke123 said:
The three most cited unalienable rights are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, yet we have prisons and the death penalty. Go figure.
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Makes perfect sense. YOU don't get to interfere with my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and if you do, you run the risk of prison or even the death penalty.
 
I'm 100% against the death penalty, as long as mankind has so many errors in the system, which it always will as it is fallible.
 
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