Hy ddaddy. Thanx 4 replying again. Where r u from? I'm working on my first database. I have sum vb6 experience.The database i'm designing is 4 sumbody who is starting up a business and want to use it to manage customers, orders,products,stock etc. The Northwind database helped me alot. I am almost finished with my DB. can i upload a copy and u can check it out and let me know where i can inprove. Hav 3 more questions. 1)How do u check if the form on load returnes zero records from its recordsource. 2)how do i delete a record from a form. 3)why does fields in a query lockup when u add a sum field. Eg. In my first query i hav 3 fields that calculate the "taxable amount","vat" and "total" 4 each product in an order. In next query i calcute the "totaltaxable","totalVAT","GrandTotal" for a order by summing the values in previous query , but i also have fields named "Paid Date" ,"Paid Amount" etc. in which lock up because of the sum fields. Thanx bj