Been a member some time now, so maybe should get rid of access-programmers login message suggesting I say 'hello'. Started out with dBase doing microbiology research back in the DOS days. Needed to replace a paper notebook of bacterial isolates with a searchable database. Duh! Eventually tracking genes and automating spreadsheets for others turned Access programming into a hobby. Never had formal training though, so this forum, and a few other sources have been valuable for learning how things are done right. Thanks!