Homework for a 9 year old.

[RainLover]

I looked into my Oxford.

His is a Pronoun. End of story.

The other stuff is simply garbage.

What Galaxiom wrote in the first place is correct.

 

[Knildon]

Rain,
That's strange. Your edition must be different than the one on the net.
What I found is almost identical to what I posted before.
I don't believe there's more than one definition unless Australia has their own language. Here's what I found:

his (hiz) adj. The possessive form of he. Used as a modifier before a noun: his boots; his plans. pron. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Used to indicate the one or ones belonging to him:
If you can't find your hat, take his.
his [hɪz (unstressed) ɪz] determiner a. of, belonging to, or associated with him, his own fault, his knee
I don't like his being out so late b. as pronoun his is on the left, that book is his his and hers (of paired objects) for a man and woman respectively pron of his belonging to or associated with him [Old English his, genitive of hē he and of hit it]

I think now is the end of the story!!
The original answer that there are not any pronouns in the sentence is correct.
They are adjectives.

I will admit that technically you're right that his is a pronoun but it is also an adjective.

Don

 

[RainLover]

Rain,
That's strange. Your edition must be different than the one on the net.
What I found is almost identical to what I posted before.
I don't believe there's more than one definition unless Australia has their own language. Here's what I found:

his (hiz) adj. The possessive form of he. Used as a modifier before a noun: his boots; his plans. pron. (used with a sing. or pl. verb) Used to indicate the one or ones belonging to him:
If you can't find your hat, take his.
his [hɪz (unstressed) ɪz] determiner a. of, belonging to, or associated with him, his own fault, his knee
I don't like his being out so late b. as pronoun his is on the left, that book is his his and hers (of paired objects) for a man and woman respectively pron of his belonging to or associated with him [Old English his, genitive of hē he and of hit it]

I think now is the end of the story!!
The original answer that there are not any pronouns in the sentence is correct.
They are adjectives.

I will admit that technically you're right that his is a pronoun but it is also an adjective.

Don

Where did you find this.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I stand by posts 7 and 8.

Simply put his can be both a possessive pronoun and a possessive adjective, to turn the former into the latter stick a noun after it.

Brian

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I looked into my Oxford.

His is a Pronoun. End of story.

The other stuff is simply garbage.

What Galaxiom wrote in the first place is correct.

Tiresome now. Stay wrong if you wish!

 

[RainLover]

I stand by posts 7 and 8.

Simply put his can be both a possessive pronoun and a possessive adjective, to turn the former into the latter stick a noun after it.

Brian

Brian

I love your attitude. Even when you are wrong.

I cannot find a quality dictionary of which there are only two (Oxford and Macquarie ) that describes "His" as an Adjective.

 

[RainLover]

Tiresome now. Stay wrong if you wish!

Tony

You are a very interesting person.

Thanks for posting the original question.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Brian

I love your attitude. Even when you are wrong.

I cannot find a quality dictionary of which there are only two (Oxford and Macquarie ) that describes "His" as an Adjective.

Perhaps you need lessons in how to use a dictionary? - from The Macquarie Dictionary Online © Macquarie Dictionary in addition to the OED you already have had posted for you.



his
/hɪz/ (say hiz), weak form /ɪz/ (say iz)

adjective 1. the possessive form of he: his mother.

–pronoun (possessive) 2. the possessive form of he, used predicatively or absolutely: this book is his; himself and his; a book of his.
[Middle English and Old English; genitive of masculine hē he, also of neuter hit it]

Bibliography: The Macquarie Dictionary Online © Macquarie Dictionary Publishers Pty Ltd.
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[Brianwarnock]

Brian

I love your attitude. Even when you are wrong.

I cannot find a quality dictionary of which there are only two (Oxford and Macquarie ) that describes "His" as an Adjective.

What a great idea, restrict refence s to those sources which don't disprove what I say.
Dictionaries are not the best place to deal with issues of grammar.

This is a complex subject with different "experts" having different views.
Research:-
Genitive case
Possessive determiners
Possessive pronouns
Possessive adjectives

Have fun

Brian

Oops just noticed Anthony's post

 

[RainLover]

Perhaps you need lessons in how to use a dictionary? - from The Macquarie Dictionary Online © Macquarie Dictionary in addition to the OED you already have had posted for you.
his
/hɪz/ (say hiz), weak form /ɪz/ (say iz)

adjective 1. the possessive form of he: his mother.

–pronoun (possessive) 2. the possessive form of he, used predicatively or absolutely: this book is his; himself and his; a book of his.
[Middle English and Old English; genitive of masculine hē he, also of neuter hit it]

Bibliography: The Macquarie Dictionary Online © Macquarie Dictionary Publishers Pty Ltd.
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I don't see the need to be rude.

The Macquarie online differs to the Oxford Hard Copy.
I am not convinced with the arguments put forward. However I cannot counter what has been said with enough authority.
So until I can find a good retort I shall decease and desist.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

I don't see the need to be rude.

The Macquarie online differs to the Oxford Hard Copy.
I am not convinced with the arguments put forward. However I cannot counter what has been said with enough authority.
So until I can find a good retort I shall decease and desist.

You said you could not find a quality dictionary that listed his as an adjective, both OED and MacQuarie - the 2 you pick out - do just that online.

Either you didnt look very hard, or you dont know how to use them.

I assumed that you at least looked before calling everyone else wrong. That would seem rude to do otherwise... so I assumed you dont know how to use them?

I still wonder if you are reading the entry in the hard copy correctly? Maybe differant versions omit stuff?

I lost patience with your attitude frankly.

 

[Knildon]

Hello again,
In all fairness to Rain, I decided to dig a little deeper into the Oxford Dictionary.
I found a British and World English version of the dictionary.
I found the following when I entered "his" in the search block:
his Pronunciation: /hiz/
determiner
1 belonging to or associated with a male person or animal previously mentioned or easily identified:
James sold his business
belonging to or associated with a person or animal of unspecified sex (in modern use chiefly replaced by ‘his or her’ or ‘their’):
any child with delayed speech should have his hearing checked
2 (His) used in titles:
His Excellency, His Lordship

pronoun
used to refer to a thing or things belonging to or associated with a male person or animal previously mentioned:
he took my hand in his
some friends of his.

I'll say this much, it doesn't mention the word adjective!!!
I'm not familiar with the term "determiner" but it appears to be used similar to an adjective.
I guess we should all sit back and remember where we are from, how and what we were taught and that there are people out there not from the same place that didn't learn from the same books and weren't taught the same way.
Goodnight all,
Don

 

[Brianwarnock]

Hello again,


I'll say this much, it doesn't mention the word adjective!!!
I'm not familiar with the term "determiner" but it appears to be used similar to an adjective.
I guess we should all sit back and remember where we are from, how and what we were taught and that there are people out there not from the same place that didn't learn from the same books and weren't taught the same way.
Goodnight all,
Don

See post 29

Brian

 

[Rabbie]

My instinctive feeling was that "his" in for example "his egg" is an adjective. However on looking in my trust "Concise Oxford Dictionary" it clearly and unambiguously says "His = Pos Pron Of him.." Pos Pron I take to be short for possessive pronoun.

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

My instinctive feeling was that "his" in for example "his egg" is an adjective. However on looking in my trust "Concise Oxford Dictionary" it clearly and unambiguously says "His = Pos Pron Of him.." Pos Pron I take to be short for possessive pronoun.

I wonder how we account for this - maybe the concise has missed out the other use, or maybe its changed over time.

It does seem now that OED and McQuarrie online , dictionary.com , Merriam-Webster and google define have his in the question as either an adjective, or determiner.

None has it as a pronoun in the way used in the question.

This no doubt is complicated by how OED chnages: So sick can now be good,
and literally
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/10240917/Uproar-as-OED-includes-erroneous-use-of-literally.html


Definitions of this kind - guess the real one(s) was going to be this weeks "fun" homework.

I guess most of us learn't something - including me - which is why I shared it.

 

[RainLover]

Shortened Qutoe

Hello again,
In all fairness to Rain, I decided to dig a little deeper into the Oxford Dictionary.
I found a British and World English version of the dictionary.
I'll say this much, it doesn't mention the word adjective!!!

I guess we should all sit back and remember where we are from, how and what we were taught and that there are people out there not from the same place that didn't learn from the same books and weren't taught the same way.
Goodnight all,
Don

Don

Good to see someone willing to go the extra mile and not just blindly follow the majority.

 

[RainLover]

My instinctive feeling was that "his" in for example "his egg" is an adjective. However on looking in my trust "Concise Oxford Dictionary" it clearly and unambiguously says "His = Pos Pron Of him.." Pos Pron I take to be short for possessive pronoun.

That is what I get in my searches.

I have also put this to a group of educators with English Degrees and they totally dismiss the idea of "His" being an Adjective.

Perhaps Dick7Access in post number 7 was closer than he thought.

Just asking???
Is there any difference in English grammar between English speaking countries.?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Read post 29

Also
http://french.about.com/od/grammar/a/adjectives_possessive.htm

Brian