I'm in Love with ChatGPT (1 Viewer)

[Pat Hartman]

Somewhere between Jordan P and Harari is the likely position.

You're forgetting its programming bias is hard left.

 

[jdraw]

My comment wasn't so much geared to programming or any specific domain. It is more of where AI and its usage will be positioned in the next few years.
In one sense it is the ability to have a private mentor, and all of your lifelong memory and learning with 100% recall tempered by your point of view. In another sense it is inexorable, repeated miscommunication (purposely falsified info) of any and every potential subject( advertising, finance, economics, politics, religion, health....).

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

Private ChatGPT


This works with files on your own PC without internet access. Maybe it should have been called paranoid ChatGPT!

 

[jdraw]

Tony,
Have you been watching videos by "eye on AI"?

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

Have you been watching videos by "eye on AI"?

No, not yet! Looks interesting....

Here's the YouTube Channel:-

https://www.youtube.com/@eyeonai3425/videos

 

[Pat Hartman]

My comment wasn't so much geared to programming

I wasn't speaking about the code it suggests. I was speaking about the people who wrote the code that runs when you ask a question. It is the code that creates the searches that find the definitions of things and using pre-coded logic formulates an answer.

I actually had a copy of the code for Eliza which was one of the first attempts at AI. It was written in COBOL by someone at IBM. It was on a 9-track tape - picture the old computers from the 60's with the vertically mounted tapes spinning forward and backward. Which was pretty stupid since a tape is a linear recording surface and although you could read either forward or backward, you would NEVER have a program that spun the drive that way Unless perhaps it was in a tight loop. It is possible that I printed out the code. I'll look next time I'm in the basement.

 

[Isaac]

That being the case. If someone generated a program in Access, C#, or any other language. Would it not follow that the software created using AI could not be copyrighted?

Or worse yet, would OpenAI have a claim?

 

[Isaac]

My comment wasn't so much geared to programming or any specific domain. It is more of where AI and its usage will be positioned in the next few years.
In one sense it is the ability to have a private mentor, and all of your lifelong memory and learning with 100% recall tempered by your point of view. In another sense it is inexorable, repeated miscommunication (purposely falsified info) of any and every potential subject( advertising, finance, economics, politics, religion, health....).

That's a great point. I feel that AI goes back to that saying our mother's probably taught us: "Garbage in, garbage out".
(or, my brother used to tell me as a child, 'If you ask a stupid question, you get a stupid answer', but Mom made him stop saying that!)

AI depends on available input. The process of gathering input itself may, theoretically, be able to be fine-tuned to near-perfection.
It's the available input I worry about.

Even take coding for instance. For years I used to see content on Mr. Excel (and that type of website, which I consider crap-sites), that used Active, Active Sheet, Range.Activate, stuff like that - which I consider to be garbage code. And yet, because it was on a Site with a veneer of credibility, it spread like wildfire. Before a few years had passed, the internet was full of pages using the same type of code. Microsoft documentation used it to a small extent. So AI would size up that situation and believe it to be perfectly acceptable, perhaps, depending on how the question was asked and whether there was a way to 'limit' or 'steer' its available inputs.

And the limiting, and the steering of inputs.....therein lies the rub. It will be used for good, it will be used for evil, it will be used indifferently without regard.

AI will likely become like most other tools: Used somewhat for good, and very heavily for Power and Money. The consumer's knowledge of when and where AI is screwing them over will come much slower than the pain.

 

[Pat Hartman]

It's the available input I worry about.

Think about how Google, et al control information. Then consider that the primary source of information starts with Google. So, not only do the authors of the code have a Socialist leaning, all conservative views are hidden as deeply as possible. It's not like Google deletes the stuff you are not allowed to see, it is that Google buries it so far down the list that you never actually find it.

It's not totally the fault of the search engines although they tag all sites so that they know their political leaning (I'm sure this forum is seriously affecting this forum's social ranking negatively), it is also the use of confirmation bias. The more you click on stories or "like" anything, the more you are fed "similar" stories or stories with a similar bent. Click on one negative Trump headline and you'll never see a positive one again. Because of the coronation, I'm being inundated with British Royals stories because I clicked on a few to see photos and videos of the event.

I can't even have a "news" feed because I can't find one that will give me actual news of the world. I can get political "news" or Royals "news" but there is no such thing as balanced news like you used to get on TV at 6 and 11 or in the NYT or Hartford Current or WSJ. The WSJ was my last news paper but i can't even read it any more. Every article is now opinion. I don't care what the writer's Opinion is. I want the NEWS. Who, what, where, when, sometimes why but that usually comes much later. I don't want to read a "news" article filled with purple words and innuendo leaving me no doubt as to how the writer "feels" about the subject.

 

[Isaac]

Think about how Google, et al control information. Then consider that the primary source of information starts with Google. So, not only do the authors of the code have a Socialist leaning, all conservative views are hidden as deeply as possible. It's not like Google deletes the stuff you are not allowed to see, it is that Google buries it so far down the list that you never actually find it.

It's not totally the fault of the search engines although they tag all sites so that they know their political leaning (I'm sure this forum is seriously affecting this forum's social ranking negatively), it is also the use of confirmation bias. The more you click on stories or "like" anything, the more you are fed "similar" stories or stories with a similar bent. Click on one negative Trump headline and you'll never see a positive one again. Because of the coronation, I'm being inundated with British Royals stories because I clicked on a few to see photos and videos of the event.

I can't even have a "news" feed because I can't find one that will give me actual news of the world. I can get political "news" or Royals "news" but there is no such thing as balanced news like you used to get on TV at 6 and 11 or in the NYT or Hartford Current or WSJ. The WSJ was my last news paper but i can't even read it any more. Every article is now opinion. I don't care what the writer's Opinion is. I want the NEWS. Who, what, where, when, sometimes why but that usually comes much later. I don't want to read a "news" article filled with purple words and innuendo leaving me no doubt as to how the writer "feels" about the subject.

Just yesterday I was marvelling at the difference in coverage of that story about a large mob of teenagers who beat up some marines.
So fox news covered it pretty accurately IMO, it seems that yes there was a beginning altercation, and a beginning asking of the teens to leave by the marines, and then there was a one-sided beating with the marines curled on the ground and 40 teens stomping them. Pretty cut and dried..

Then I go to nbc news just for sh*ts and giggles. The way they cover it is TOTALLY DIFFERENT - I mean, Totally. They basically say nothing more than, there was a Fight between some marines and some teenagers. (as if it were even - and definitely hoping you believe that these marines were some kind of toxically masculine macho bravados who were fighting a teenager). Really unbelievable.

But the proof is in the pudding. I notice the Sheriff is not confused about what really happened like MSM is. Although the marines involved requested nothing, including medical attention, law enforcement vowed to make sure they figured out who to arrest for the stomping, and already have.

But really interesting how deceptive and false the main media reporting is. You can see it everywhere, in almost every article. It's not usually blatantly false information, it's just partial pictures meant to support a certain side. Partial pictures painted for you - over and over and over.

The idea of out of control, undisciplined teenagers running wild through cities is something conservatives usually point out. Liberals for example won't mention that Adam Toledo was running from a crime and had a gun in his hand and was starting to turn around WITH the gun when he was shot - they'll just mention that a 12 year old was shot by a police officer and hope you fill in the rest.

It amazes me how dumb and gullible most of the population is to go along with the deceptive, half-painted pictures. Then again, I wasn't far off from that myself until I started examining and comparing news stories.
And from the impression AWF interactions have given me (which hopefully aren't broadly true), it seems that Europeans and people from other countries generally open wide and swallow that partially-painted MSM picture, thus concluding that Republicans are some kind of crazies. Really it is the opposite, it is crazy to continually describe only half of something and then consider yourself discerning.

 

[Pat Hartman]

I had my first conscious awareness of this type of media manipulation 20 years ago with a story about a toxic waste dump that was leaking. I first heard the story on radio news on the way to work in the morning. To summarize, the dump was 30 years old. The waste was properly disposed of according to the standards of the time. The company, even though it was NOT legally responsible for the problem was voluntarily helping to clean it up. So, the company was being a good citizen even though there was no legal responsibility to do anything.

That evening when watching CNN (before I switched to Fox), the story was - the Governor of NY was thinking about fining the company "responsible" for the waste leaking. They also implied that the dump was illegal and not properly built in the first place. It is pretty amazing how the talking heads use innuendo as a smear tactic. I also don't understand the need to smear this company when they were actually doing the right thing.

 

[Isaac]

that's interesting. Yeah - msm has tried really hard to avoid coverage of rampant crime, and tried really hard to paint military people as bad, so when a bunch of rampant deliquents beat up some military people, they had to go easy on that one!

as for chatGPT, I just got approved for Google labs. Really amazing - but INTEGRATED into their products - literally 10 yr ahead of chat GPT in my opinion. As I said, it will be he who holds the keys to INTEGRATION between customer data/products + AI who will win. I was on the Labs waitlist forever it felt like. Now they have AI integrated into search results, sheets.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Google is evil. They will not be using AI to benefit us. They will be using it against us as they have been using their search engine against us for years and their "free" email service to spy on naive users who don't understand that "free" means that they are the product.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

This chat GPT just keeps getting better and better!

I went to my website on WordPress to carry out some maintenance. The website uses the elementor plug-in. I was notified that there's an upgrade for the elementor plug-in which links it to chat GPT. Now you can get chat GPT to write text straight into the text boxes on the WordPress site. Chat GPT you can code the CSS in the website, like make things jiggle about and all sorts of shenanigans. For more info see this YouTube video....

You Won't Believe What Elementor Ai Can Do | Get A Sneak Peek Now​

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

I just came across a local planning document. It was written by the developer to the council and it was pages and pages! I'm convinced there approach was to fill the document with twaddle in the hope that significant parts would be overlooked! It occur to me load the document into chat GPT and ask chat GPT to ferret out any buried information! I have no idea if chat GPT can do this, but if it does become this sophisticated then I was thinking that the American government, and one of the tactics is to bury legislation in 1,000 page documents. I thought it might be applied to protect the American people from this underhand technique....

 

[Jon]

It occur to me load the document into chat GPT and ask chat GPT to ferret out any buried information! I have no idea if chat GPT can do this

You can do a prompt like: Summarise in bullet points the key ideas from the following...

 

[Jon]

@Uncle Gizmo, your post summarised. I changed the word "document" as it didn't like it.

Edit: Just noticed that the summary seems longer than the original!

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

I was using chat GPT late last night and it worked fine but I tried to use it about 11:00 a.m. this morning, it refused to help. It just sat there blinking at me!

If it was an intern, I would suspect that it had been out for a night on the tiles!

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

I was speaking to @Pat Hartman last night about validation keys for software and in particular MS Access. Chat GPT found several links to software that could do the job and I picked out one, "KeyGen". There were about eight or ten code language examples, but none of them were VBA!

I've recorded a video showcasing my interaction with Chat GPT and the step-by-step process of building the code into an MS Access database. It's a valuable resource that will guide you through the entire implementation, saving you time and effort.

KeyGen - In MS Access​

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

ChatGPT - shortening the learning curve
Initially, when I first heard about it, I dismissed it as just another passing trend. However, after watching a few YouTube videos discussing its capabilities, I became intrigued and decided to give it a try.

I utilized ChatGPT to assist me in developing a simple flutter application, and I must say, I was thoroughly impressed! I asked it to generate the code required to add a button to the form and display a "hello world" message. Then, I went a step further and requested it to include a couple of text boxes for storing the first and last names, and concatenate them into the same message box.

During my interaction with ChatGPT, I recalled a word from my childhood that described the release of light when two pieces of flint strike each other. I decided to test ChatGPT's knowledge by asking if it could help me discover this word. Through an iterative process, ChatGPT eventually found the word, which brought me great satisfaction. I found the iterative process itself to be quite enlightening.

More recently, I utilized ChatGPT to convert some C# code that utilized the KeyGen API interface. This code was meant to check if the application had a valid license. Once again, the process was iterative, but the outcome was rewarding. I gained valuable insights and learned new things along the way.

Currently, I'm working on a sci-fi story, and ChatGPT has been instrumental in assisting me with building a character's backstory. It's been fascinating to observe and read what ChatGPT has generated. I believe ChatGPT will prove invaluable in helping me complete this story, as I have a solid concept but struggle with putting my ideas into writing.

Initially, I had reservations about ChatGPT, perceiving it as an obscure and hard-to-understand technology. I drew a parallel to the early days of laser technology when it seemed to lack practical applications. However, as with lasers, ChatGPT has exceeded my expectations. It has enhanced my productivity, made my work more enjoyable, and increased my interest in exploring new programming languages.

While I could rely on conventional methods like reading documentation, watching videos, or participating in forums to improve my programming skills, having a friendly and helpful artificial intelligence friend to address my inquiries and provide prompt answers has been a game-changer. Moreover, when I receive an answer, I can easily assess its accuracy and request further refinements without extensive research. In most cases, within just a few iterations, ChatGPT leads me to the correct solution.

In conclusion, the learning curve for software development, or any discipline for that matter, is often long and challenging. Progress may feel slow as you navigate the initial stages. However, with ChatGPT by your side, that arduous journey becomes more manageable.

ChatGPT can significantly accelerate your progress, propelling you towards the steeper part of the learning curve. It has certainly made a noticeable impact on my own journey, and I believe it will do the same for many others.