Is English language Britan's greatest gift

[jsanders]

Not in the UK it wasn't

:

OMG heard it all now. How do you suppose they built those cannons ya'll drug all over the world spreading your tyranny?

For a guys that is always claming British history is the only accurate history…well your words speak for them selves.

 

[ColinEssex]

ya'll drug all over the world . . . . .

In a thread debating the English language perhaps a translation of the above may help? its the use of the word "drug" - is that being used as a past tense for the verb "to drag"?

Col

 

[The Stoat]

OMG heard it all now. How do you suppose they built those cannons ya'll drug all over the world spreading your tyranny?

For a guys that is always claming British history is the only accurate history…well your words speak for them selves.

The industrial revolution in Britain was inspired in part by the Agricultural revolution of the 17th C. The major driving force of the industrial revolution was the desire to process the vast amount of mineral and agricultural wealth -both native and foreign - by the most efficient means possible. The ability to produce military advantage from the new technologies was a consequence and not a cause. Iron hulled war ships were not the driving force behind mass producing iron and neither was the invention of steam power as a result of military needs; it was used for mining and later milling and textile production over half a century before military applications at sea. The first steam powered ships were also civilian in origin with military applications coming afterwards.

http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/lord/8.htm

In contrast the first known production line system that we often attribute to Henry Ford was actually created during the American Civil war as the North developed manufacturing techniques that allowed the mass production of the Springfield Musket. It is estimated the the North produced 99 guns for every 1produced in the South.

What any of this has to do with the English language is beyond me

 

[jsanders]

In a thread debating the English language perhaps a translation of the above may help? its the use of the word "drug" - is that being used as a past tense for the verb "to drag"?

Col

I'm from Texas Col, we have our own brand of English.

Yes it means dragged. But the use of the word drug is oh so much more colorful.

 

[jsanders]

The industrial revolution in Britain was inspired in part by the Agricultural revolution of the 17th C. The major driving force of the industrial revolution was the desire to process the vast amount of mineral and agricultural wealth -both native and foreign - by the most efficient means possible. The ability to produce military advantage from the new technologies was a consequence and not a cause. Iron hulled war ships were not the driving force behind mass producing iron and neither was the invention of steam power as a result of military needs; it was used for mining and later milling and textile production over half a century before military applications at sea. The first steam powered ships were also civilian in origin with military applications coming afterwards.

http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/lord/8.htm

In contrast the first known production line system that we often attribute to Henry Ford was actually created during the American Civil war as the North developed manufacturing techniques that allowed the mass production of the Springfield Musket. It is estimated the the North produced 99 guns for every 1produced in the South.

What any of this has to do with the English language is beyond me

It has nothing to do with language but your fellow countryman insist on changing the subject.

I did not say the steam engine was made for war I said that the machines to make it possible to build, were made for war. Mostly lathes, which were needed much earlier to build accurate cannons.

But you are correct about the first mass production line. (Americans know it was Henry Ford that adapted it to the Automobile industry) The gun manufacturing process developed, because of the need for interchangeable parts. Actually it was Remington that pioneered that process which led to Springfield improving on it.

 

[jsanders]

the steam engine was built

Obviously I left out the "not"

 

[Rich]

The industrial revolution in Britain was inspired in part by the Agricultural revolution of the 17th C.

Surely it was the mining industry that drove development of the steam engine thus inspiring the industrial revolution?

 

[Matt Greatorex]

To get back to the original question, I forget what it's called (in spite of the breadth of the language ), but wasn't the device that allows naval navigation in spite of not being able to see the stars a British invention?

Also, the idea of different time zones was a British creation. I believe it was originally to allow for train timetables to be accurate.

The moveable printing press was also one of ours, wasn't it?

Were they more of a contribution than the language itself? I'm not sure, but they both definitely had a huge impact, worldwide.

 

[Rich]

In contrast the first known production line system that we often attribute to Henry Ford was actually created during the American Civil war as the North developed manufacturing techniques that allowed the mass production of the Springfield Musket. It is estimated the the North produced 99 guns for every 1produced in the South.

I hate to appear pedantic here but a production line was in operation in the UK long before the Yanks decided to kill each other en masse.

It was built in Portsmouth dockyard c.1808-1810

 

[Rich]

But you are correct about the first mass production line. (Americans know it was Henry Ford that adapted it to the Automobile industry) The gun manufacturing process developed, because of the need for interchangeable parts. Actually it was Remington that pioneered that process which led to Springfield improving on it.

Actually not so, see previous post on subject, I doubt it appears in your history books though

 

[jsanders]

I hate to appear pedantic here but a production line was in operation in the UK long before the Yanks decided to kill each other en masse.

It was built in Portsmouth dockyard c.1808-1810

The American version had the far more important aspect of interchangeable parts, and was introduced by Eli Whitley in 1798.

But actual credit goes to the French gunsmith in 1790. But the French squelched it (similar to the way they sqelched the modernization of their language).

Interchangeble parts goes back to the early 1700s in clock making.

 

[Rich]

The American version had the far more important aspect of interchangeable parts.

irrelevant to the origins of the production line

 

[jsanders]

irrelevant to the origins of the production line

Not so, it is the essential first ingredient of the assembly line. Without it, parts had to be hand fitted, thus slowing the “line’ down considerably.

 

[jsanders]

My small shop uses an assembly line to make architectural features. Without interchangeable parts we cannot operate efficiently.

 

[Rich]

The American version had the far more important aspect of interchangeable parts, and was introduced by Eli Whitley in 1798.

But actual credit goes to the French gunsmith in 1790. But the French squelched it (similar to the way they sqelched the modernization of their language).

Interchangeble parts goes back to the early 1700s in clock making.

Though some basic devices such as the woodworking lathe had existed for centuries, their translation into industrial machine tools capable of cutting and shaping hard metals to precise tolerances was brought about by a series of 19th-century innovators, first in Britain and later in the United States. With precision equipment, large numbers of identical parts could be produced at low cost and with a small work force.

The system of manufacture involving production of many identical parts and their assembly into finished products came to be called the American System, because it achieved its fullest maturity in the United States. Although Eli Whitney has been given credit for this development, his ideas had appeared earlier in Sweden, France, and Britain

 

[Matt Greatorex]

Arguably so. However, if the question is where did the production line originate, enhancements made later on, while important, aren't strictly relevant.

The TV was an American invention, but I'm sure people like the Japanese have made many refinements to it.

 

[jsanders]

Though some basic devices such as the woodworking lathe had existed for centuries, their translation into industrial machine tools capable of cutting and shaping hard metals to precise tolerances was brought about by a series of 19th-century innovators, first in Britain and later in the United States. With precision equipment, large numbers of identical parts could be produced at low cost and with a small work force.

The system of manufacture involving production of many identical parts and their assembly into finished products came to be called the American System, because it achieved its fullest maturity in the United States. Although Eli Whitney has been given credit for this development, his ideas had appeared earlier in Sweden, France, and Britain

No question about it, but like the light buld it took Americans to make it practical.

Still it is English speaking people with their large vocabularies.

 

[Matt Greatorex]

Don't put yourself down - as large as English is, even we don't have words like 'buld'

 

[Rich]

The TV was an American invention,

actually it wasn't

 

[Rich]

No question about it, but like the light buld it took Americans to make it practical.

.

Actually the Swan version is still much preferred to the cumbersome Edison screw