Is the Big Bang theory true

I can't see how religion would have any benefit by embracing and condoning the Big Bang theory..

By their concept if God caused the Big Bang and Man was created in God's image then we are alone in the Universe unless all creatures on other worlds and galaxies are just like Man, and the chances of that I feel are remote.


"In his image" is most likely a parable.
When Moses spoke directly to God, God took the form a flame. In the bible “in his image” was possibly there to prepare man for the coming of Christ.
God descended to Earth in the form of a man.
 
I think we all need a theory to work on and refine.

I think it was in “A Brief History of Time” that Hawking made the claim that the Catholic Church embraced the concept of the Big Bang because it made a start to the laws of physics. This implied that time also had a beginning and, as a consequence, questions about who or what caused it (necessitating a past tense in time before time was created) were invalid. That leaves open the possibility of a God which was good for the Church.

As for the maximum ‘gravitational radius’ concept, and subsequent big crunch, it seems to have been formed at a time when it was not known that it now appears that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate. Given the increasing rate theory it is unlikely that it would slow down and reverse direction.

Even if it did there is no guarantee that all the matter would end up in the one singularity. Hence, some matter may simply ‘fly past’ and the ‘gravitational radius’ would start to expand again. If that did happen then there is also no reason to think that time would again stop and hence no guarantee that we would be back to some starting position.

But it’s a theory that needs refining, and that is what science is all about; refining theories in the light reproducible evidence.
 
Here is an example of some pro God based on Big Bang.

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/proof-of-god-the-big-bang/

From a "debating" point of view it is a difficult one for the atheist because if you agree with Big Bang then that takes the debate down a track where there is no physics and if you disagree with Big Bang then you have to say Hawking and Co don't know what they are talking about. It also means that the pro God side of the debate steal the thunder by using the highest level of science as their backing.

But of course like all debates winning the debate does not mean your point of view was the correct one:D
 
This implied that time also had a beginning and, as a consequence, questions about who or what caused it (necessitating a past tense in time before time was created) were invalid.

Holes in our theories exemplifies the lack of understanding we have. Naturally, people ask questions about these holes, which pushes us closer to a more complete understanding when those holes are filled. Most of the theories that people take for granted have their own problems, and some of those problems have their own theories.

The big bang has the horizon problem (and you may consider dark matter another problem, I do!). There is a theory on this though. I forget the physists name, but his theory says the speed of light has changed over a long period of time, which should get rid of the need for inflation.

The big bang also raises the question "What caused the bang?" M Theory provides an explanation for this. M theory says that their are branes on a higher level than our universe. When those branes collide, a big bang happens. If you are interested, go to nova.org and search for the elegant universe.

The pioneer anomaly shows us another lack of our understanding. I haven't read any theories on this. :(

Evolution has a long list, that I cant find right now! One problem (I cant remember the name for it) is that evolution cant explain how simple systems came about, because without one part, the system fails.

Sorry to leave topic for a second there, just want to show that many if not most of our theories still need work.
 
I think Hawking and Co have said that God might exist but not as an animate form.

In other words God could be the pre Big Bang science. It might be like the electrons and the nucleus of the atom. Our current science could be likened to chemistry in the sense that chemisty all falls down when applied to a nuclear reaction. However, the difference with Big Bang is there is nothing available for us to ever measure, see etc pre Big Bang.

My own view is that there are supernatural beings but of limited power. I simply can't see that the human is at the high end. However, these supernaturals would be just as far out of the game pre Big Bang as we are.

I might use Access as an analogy:D Someone might know and be able to use Access to the Nth degree but ultimately they are limited by what Microsoft made. In this case Microsoft represents supernaturals of limited power. Microsoft can change Access. They can offer a download to upgrade and in the process change all the "rules of Access". However, Microsoft are still limited as they are bound by another set of rules.
 
If anyone is interested in WHERE god might exist, here's an interesting theory:

As we know, gravity makes the universe go round. And, recently, a popular scientist actually discovered that there is a SINGLE PLACE in the universe from which serves as the center. e.g. - everything else in the universe revolves around this THING. I'm sure it's a super massive black hole, but if that's the center of EVERYTHING, who's there? GOD? is that where HEAVEN is? Can we please visit please?
 
ajetrumpet-Do you mind citing your sources?


Our current science could be likened to chemistry in the sense that chemisty all falls down when applied to a nuclear reaction.

Really? Do you mean the chemistry of the atoms themselves undergoing a nuclear reaciton, or do you mean our understanding of chemistry is what breaks down?

I simply can't see that the human is at the high end.

There is no evidence to the contrary (unless you believe in aliens).

I might use Access as an analogy:D Someone might know and be able to use Access to the Nth degree but ultimately they are limited by what Microsoft made. In this case Microsoft represents supernaturals of limited power. Microsoft can change Access. They can offer a download to upgrade and in the process change all the "rules of Access". However, Microsoft are still limited as they are bound by another set of rules.

Ive seen this analogy here before. Was it you?
 
ajetrumpet-Do you mind citing your sources?

That is his department.




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Our current science could be likened to chemistry in the sense that chemisty all falls down when applied to a nuclear reaction.

Really? Do you mean the chemistry of the atoms themselves undergoing a nuclear reaciton, or do you mean our understanding of chemistry is what breaks down?

Hopefully, for your sake, you are acting stupid.


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I simply can't see that the human is at the high end.
There is no evidence to the contrary (unless you believe in aliens).

The evidence is the size of the universe. And I believe in aliens.....Don't you?


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I might use Access as an analogy:D Someone might know and be able to use Access to the Nth degree but ultimately they are limited by what Microsoft made. In this case Microsoft represents supernaturals of limited power. Microsoft can change Access. They can offer a download to upgrade and in the process change all the "rules of Access". However, Microsoft are still limited as they are bound by another set of rules.

Ive seen this analogy here before. Was it you?

Probably.
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How did this signature line get on my posting.

If you look, you can find anything.
 
Carries over and into a posting.

I copied and pasted speakers_86's posting as the "quote" system resulted in complete distortion.
 
But apart from posting problems I think it is quite clear that there is a...Big Daddy....

When you travel down the path that you have set your sights on....then you know there is an outside force....

speakers_86 left a job to follow the road of making things based on Access. He will be rewarded by the outside force.

On the other hand, the person who makes no real choice......will not see the outside force.....
 
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But apart from posting problems I think it is quite clear that there is a...Big Daddy....

When you travel down the path that you have set your sights on....then you know there is an outside force....
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Some of us disagree with you - that's our opinion and we are entitled to it. Nothing more to be said.
 
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Some of us disagree with you - that's our opinion and we are entitled to it. Nothing more to be said.

Understood.
 
The evidence is the size of the universe. And I believe in aliens.....Don't you?

Of course. I dont really think they are actually coming here or anything.

Jupiter has a moon called Europa that probably has life. One of Arthur Clarke's Space Odyssey books is about that moon. I believe it was 2061. There is another moon called Io, which is a molten planet. Since there is heat there, there could be life, although nothing very complex.
 
Of course. I dont really think they are actually coming here or anything.

Jupiter has a moon called Europa that probably has life.
Titan probably DOESN'T, but it sure beats our butts on Earth for size! =)
 
Just by coincidence about 30 minutes after I finished posting last night there was a 2 hour documentary of Stephen Hawking which also included a lot on Roger Penrose.
 
Just by coincidence about 30 minutes after I finished posting last night there was a 2 hour documentary of Stephen Hawking which also included a lot on Roger Penrose.
Is this the same Stephen Hawkins that speaks like an answering machine? :) j/k! He's a genius!
 
He can now only create 4 words per minute and operates with a muscle in his cheek. Previously he had some movement in his hand but not now.
 
Its a shame, isnt it?

Why is it that the geniuses of recent history have a giant thorn in their side? Newton had the church. Einstein had quantum physics, and of course Hawking has Lou Gerhigs.
 

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