Is there a place for Natural Talent in UK?

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Prabhakaran Karuppaih
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You know... guys like me... have a lot of talents but no Degree...

Seeking some serious career Guidance... Hope you provide...

With Hope,
Prabhakaran
 
I cannot speak for the UK, but there are places in the USA which advertise for programmer help with "Required: B.S. Degree or five years experience." If you have enough experience, or if you have some certificates, you might get hired. I would suppose such job listings are also possible in the UK.

Be aware, however, that coming in without a degree WILL slow your progress in terms of promotion and monetary raises. I would also defer to anyone in the UK who has personal knowledge or experience of such situations. It is often an opportunity for less-than-scrupulous managers to get a "workhorse" that he can beat to death. Figuratively speaking, of course.
 
In the UK, it seems the natural course for youngsters to go to university and get a degree they then never use, then work for McDonald's.
A far better option is to decide on a career and get an apprenticeship, there are countless options available, and firms are crying out for apprentices as they get government grants. The benefits are, you get paid, the firm pays college fees, and you're almost a cert to get a job at the end with the company.
Or, you can take a routine job and pay college yourself, get qualified and flog yourself on the market to attain a job / career.
Col
 
You know... guys like me... have a lot of talents but no Degree...

Seeking some serious career Guidance... Hope you provide...

With Hope,
Prabhakaran
Then: keep going with database development.

I think it's quite perfect for getting pretty good jobs without anyone caring about your degree.

Granted, I do have my bachelor's degree in political science and my masters certificate listed on my resume (heck, I even list the half of law school that I completed just for the heck of it), but I highly doubt that anyone who has ever interviewed me for a database development job has cared that I have a bachelor's degree in political science, nor care that I had anything to do with law!

It just goes to show this is a career category that doesn't necessarily require a college degree to have much to do with your success..
 
In the UK, it seems the natural course for youngsters to go to university and get a degree they then never use, then work for McDonald's.
A far better option is to decide on a career and get an apprenticeship, there are countless options available, and firms are crying out for apprentices as they get government grants. The benefits are, you get paid, the firm pays college fees, and you're almost a cert to get a job at the end with the company.
Or, you can take a routine job and pay college yourself, get qualified and flog yourself on the market to attain a job / career.
Col

Over here we can't even convince people to come in and work at McDonald's anymore.
 
Be the best at what you like doing. In the it world often doesn’t matter where you are.

important thing is ‘like what you do’ as that way lies happiness.

but agree experience is more important than degrees to those employers who want to get things done.
 
I'll add that one of the best programmers I ever worked with was a B.S. in Psychology and only had a couple of classes in computer subjects. However, he was precise and methodical in his attitudes and as a result was a good worker, good coder, and generally an asset to our group.
 
There are many different paths into a career. Get into the environment that has a need for the job you aspire to in any way you can then shift towards your goal by identifying and tackling the tasks that require the skills you have or need to develop even if they were not what you were employed for.

My own IT career started by drifting into IT to fill a skills vacuum at a place where I worked. It was an odd path.

When I joined the company as an electronic tech they were using an ancient long time unsupported (vendor out of business) inventory system that ran on RS-232 connections to terminal emulators.

They asked me to look at why some of the ports no longer worked, Some of the port buffers on the ISA multiport card in the server had been blown by electrical equipment failures in the building causing surges through the earth circuit. (There was no electrical isolation like there is with Ethernet.). I replaced the buffer chips and installed power isolation transformers on the terminals to stop it happening again. They were impressed and put me in charge of computer system as a part time responsibility.

The irreplaceable hardware was far from the only problem and it was clear that this was a system on the verge of collapse.

The bookkeeper had been supposed to be selecting a new accounting system for several years but had done nothing. The situation was desperate. I managed to find a solution to get terminal emulators onto Ethernet so the server could be upgraded then, unable to get the bookkeeper to appreciate the gravity of the situation, set about finding a replacement for the antique inventory system. I presented my selected solution to the management and the bookkeeper suddenly decided to take action. To cut a long story short, a battle ensued with the bookkeeper (who had included the behemoth SAP on her short list!) and my choice was ultimately adopted when I was able to definitively demonstrate she actually had no capacity to assess the suitability of any package.

The bookkeeper circulated an abusive disparaging email message to all staff about the board of directors' decision. She was reprimanded and ultimately resigned. Despite having no accounting experience at all, I was asked to implement the new system. (The logic was, it ran on computers and that was my area plus having come up with the solution.) So I had a scorching introduction to accounting and launched into converting the system, having been given the software in late May with ridiculous expectation to have it in place with the old customer data imported by the end of the financial year. I was put in charge of accounting and computers, no longer doing electronics at all.

The transition had problems of course and we got some help in. He introduced me to Access and showed me how we could connect to the system's back end and update it. We sorted it out and I built my first crude Access app to analyse problems. No VBA. A couple of years later as the company seemed to lurch from one problem to the next, I got out.

My new job was as an IT Assistant in a small financial institution. My diversity of skills and apparent ability to take on pretty much anything at the previous place got me the job. There were only two of us in the IT team so I learnt a huge range of skills as we dragged the company's IT systems in the 21st century.

I made some simple databases to replace what was being done in Excel and that got me some attention. A year in they asked me if I could come up with a proper app that required reading data from the banking system's text reports. I joined AWF to get it done and eventually became quite skilled at Access thanks to the experts here along with my own motivation. (That app was used for more than a decade until it was superseded by features eventually introduced to the banking system.)

A document archiving system ran on SQL Server Express. I wrote some simple apps to manage that too. Then about ten years ago, a new CFO was appointed who had much more ambitious goals. He signed up for a full SQL Server based reporting system that integrated with the banking system. He walked into the IT room one morning and said to me "We are getting this. You had better learn how it works."

I've never stopped learning. There are now four of us in IT and I am the database administrator for our company, managing both the SQL server and the banking system's Universe database despite not a single bit of formal training in any of it, let alone a certificate in computers or databases.

So it can be done but might not be straight forward.
 
I started out being a Chemistry major. My Physical Chemistry course introduced me to computers as an applications tool (as opposed to the abstracted hulking piece of equipment it had previously been.) I only took two computer courses during my bachelor's curriculum. When I got into grad school, my major professor (i.e. assigned mentor) wanted to do some online computer stuff so I agreed. That's when I learned about data acquisition techniques including real-time gathering and subsequent processing, display, and export. My dissertation was about 70% chemistry and about 30% about the computer program that did the real-time data gathering. Remember, this was the early 1970s so the PC was still years away. In terms of the history of real-time monitoring, I was in what was later called the "second wave" of computer data monitoring. The biggest factor of the 2nd wave was that the computer actually could have an operating system rather than a home-grown dedicated program that had to do all of the I/O on its own.

When I graduated, I joined a company that did something called SCADA - Supervisor Control and Data Acquisition - which in practical terms meant automated data gathering but manual control operations. I was their "materials" guy because I knew about sensors that returned properties of the materials in the petroleum pipeline. I eventually became their chief program designer, became a services department head, and almost became the vice-president of programming for them. But at that time, my mother was descending into the abyss of Alzheimer's Disease. I had to turn down the promotion but the company president let me stay on. He understood the stress I was already handling.

Time passed and the company got bought out by a conglomerate that wanted to move everyone to Baltimore. But Mom was pretty much immobile and I was her sole family member to monitor her treatment. I couldn't leave her, so I had to find other work - which I did, with a company that did navigation software. No more chemistry for me, because three years earlier all of the oil companies moved out of New Orleans and went to Houston. So for a few years, until Mom finally passed, I created navigation software for the company including complex navigation functions, plotter device drivers, and some statistical functions they needed for some of their mixed-source (i.e. fixed-point beacons and orbiting satellites) navigation. Mom passed and I was free to move where I want.

Fate opened up the Navy job so for 28 1/2 years I was a system admin for the U.S. Navy Reserve and later for SPAWAR - the Space and Naval Warfare Command. I had diddled around with some PC databases by that time and casually mentioned that in passing to my boss. That is when I got my first "official" Access DB, which was held together with baling wire and spit. This forum was a lifeline of answers, and eventually I reached the point that I could start answering at least as often as I asked. My security action tracker (you could call it a "patch tracker" if you like) was when I learned how to integrate Access, Excel, Word, and Outlook into a single application and was also the time frame in which I received my MVP award.

I'm retired now and my databases are related to my home projects including a genealogy DB I'm building for my grandsons and a rather bizarre DB I use for my fantasy novels to track the phase of the moons in my stories (because of course in magic societies, the phase of the moon is a vary important portent.)

When I look back, I don't miss the chemistry work and enjoyed the computer work because of the intellectual challenge it represented. My career was never solely about Access but resource and activity-related databases were a big part of what I did for the Navy, even if my DBs were always behind the scenes.
 
This forum was a lifeline of answers, and eventually I reached the point that I could start answering at least as often as I asked.
I think this forum was a lifeline for many of us who went on to help others take steps on a similar path to the one we walked. I attribute the success of my career to the the people here who helped me. I try to keep contributing to pay back the support I received.

Some of them have moved on. Some moved on to another realm but I still think of them whenever I implement things they taught me. Two that immediately come to mind are ChrisO and Stopher but there are many others.
 
I would make a list of the skills you have, and what you enjoy doing. Life is so short that spending time doing what you like is a wise idea, in my opinion. Also, it turns work into play. You are more likely to do well if you have no resistance to doing your work because you love it. Contrast that to having to force yourself through sheer willpower and grit to get through work each day. Why not enjoy all your life and not just yoru leisure time?
 

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