Martin-Luther-King. Just lipservice or progression?

[AnthonyGerrard]

I was intrigued by the 20 times wealthier - when I saw it on the news and was reminded of it by Col here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ericans-record-20-times-wealthier-blacks.html

This is where the figures are calculated.

Some good news for Col - hes worth way more than the average American. (I think he knows that anyway).


Is renting still big in the US? Whats the avergae cost of a house? Cos 60k doesnt seem much?

I wonder what the figures are here?


As a total aside - I was looking at a holiday Boston area - around up to Niagara etc, and a Boston Hotel seems to be 200 dollars a night (2 adults , one kid)? That seems steep, didnt it used to be that US hotels were cheap? Now a fortnights stay in Boston is getting towards what the average black family is worth?

 

[Alc]

Logic actually would dictate the answer. After the original colonies were formed; which country had the largest percentage population growth from immigrations?

The gap is so wide that it almost does not bear examination.

Throughout the later part of the 19th and the entire 20th centuries The US imported more people from the rest of the world.

From where? The fact that the population rose doesn't mean that the variation increased to a greater extent than in all other places.

In Canada, Australia and New Zealand the original settlers still make up the majority of the people. In the US that is no longer the case. Many people from Europe migrated here in the earlier years, but in the last decades it has grown to include many from India, China, Korea, Vietnam, and all over Africa.
Not to mention our very diverse population of natives. Including Polynesians in Hawaii and various tribes in Alaska.

Once again, no-one is saying that the US isn't diverse, just that you still haven't shown it to be the most diverse country on Earth, beyond stamping your feet and saying that you're right because you think so and referring to your own special type of 'logic'.

In Houston the population speaks 132 different languages

That fact alone isn't particularly impressive, if you're trying to prove the greatest diversity in the world.
http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/estuary/multiling.htm

 

[Fifty2One]

Sadly certain levels of management get the golden handshake early retirement packages rather then being fired for being lousy at their jobs. There is no place for prejudice in the workplace and persons who seem to find ways to justify these way make them look worst in my opinion.

Now let us talk about equal opportunity in UK. I remember seeing a posting from a guy in UK. As an administrator in the NHS, he would not hire any women because they took time off for family reasons.
Anyone remember this guy?

 

[Brianwarnock]

I see that the rose tinted specs are still around, and experience is being shunned.
I hate unfounded prejudice of any sort but an elder brother learnt from experience that the best assistants to employ in his shop were post menapausal women whose own kids were in the teens and thus unlikely to have children, also having had the race card played against him when complaining of bad time keeping and sloppy work, no coloureds, as a small business man he couldn't afford the risks.

Brian

 

[Jacob Mathai]

New business rules for equal opportunity

Rule #1: The boss is always right.
Rule #2: If the boss is wrong, see rule #1.

 

[Brianwarnock]

They are not new, it as always been , until the starry eyed people took over the asylum, that
"he who pays the piper calls the tune"

Lefties never put their money where their mouth is, preferring to spend other's.

Brian

 

[dan-cat]

They are not new, it as always been , until the starry eyed people took over the asylum, that
"he who pays the piper calls the tune"

Lefties never put their money where their mouth is, preferring to spend other's.

Brian

I'm becoming a little lost here Brian. Are you saying in order to run a profitable business one should only employ whites?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Dan I have not got a clue how you came to that conclusion from the post that you quoted, but the answer is no.

Brian

 

[dan-cat]

Dan I have not got a clue how you came to that conclusion from the post that you quoted, but the answer is no.

Brian

It wasn't a conclusion. It was a question.

It arose from you saying

also having had the race card played against him when complaining of bad time keeping and sloppy work, no coloureds, as a small business man he couldn't afford the risks.

From this I am getting the impression that hiring any "coloured" is too much of a business risk because of the possibility of them playing the "race card" and that this attitude is acceptable to you. If this wasn't what you meant then I'd like clarification on what you did mean.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I would have to say in this country the word “coloureds” would be a pejorative term at best. Old racists white people from the south would use language like that.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I would have to say in this country the word “coloureds” would be a pejorative term at best. Old racists white people from the south would use language like that.

It would appear that the words one can use changes almost from day to day so whilst I apologies to anybody offended by those that I use it is likely that it will continue. I personally am offended by that lovely little word gay being hijacked by the homosexual community, are they ashamed of what they are so that they use a euphemism?

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

It wasn't a conclusion. It was a question.

It arose from you saying



From this I am getting the impression that hiring any "coloured" is too much of a business risk because of the possibility of them playing the "race card" and that this attitude is acceptable to you. If this wasn't what you meant then I'd like clarification on what you did mean.

I wish that I had worked out how to do multiple quotes but as I haven't please bear with me.

My brother realised that he was Condemning a lot of people on the basis of one experience but as I said it was his livelihood that he would be risking so he was not prepared to do that.

Posts should be read in full and in the context of the discussion, interesting that you picked up on the colour issue but not the age issue, but then vassago only commented on the race issue also!


Brian

Brian

 

[dan-cat]

I wish that I had worked out how to do multiple quotes but as I haven't please bear with me.

My brother realised that he was Condemning a lot of people on the basis of one experience but as I said it was his livelihood that he would be risking so he was not prepared to do that.

Posts should be read in full and in the context of the discussion, interesting that you picked up on the colour issue but not the age issue, but then vassago only commented on the race issue also!


Brian

Brian

Some people insist on cutting off their nose despite their face. The risk of facing heavy legislative penalties for discrimination is far greater and more damaging than having the "race card" pulled on you, especially when you can completely protect yourself from it by putting in place a basic documented disciplinary procedure.

Perhaps you'd like to pass this advice on to your brother before he gets sued.

It comes with the added benefit of not having to adopt an attitude of "unfounded prejudice" which is how you correctly described it.

 

[dan-cat]

Oh yes by the way in response to not responding to

"but an elder brother learnt from experience that the best assistants to employ in his shop were post menapausal women whose own kids were in the teens and thus unlikely to have children,"

This is an observation of a trend which doesn't preclude any other type from possibly being employed whereas the second part was much more explicit in the prejudicial reaction to what turned out to be a single event.

 

[Thales750]

Personaly, I think post mentapausal women kick butt in the market place. Less estrogen and just enough testosterone.

They can be a little bossy, but they tend to listen well.

My experience at the Federal Government is that, the most racist of all folks are black women, they, more than any other, tend to hire and promote other black women.

With white males tending to have the most racially and genderly mixed teams.

 

[Vassago]

Is renting still big in the US? Whats the avergae cost of a house? Cos 60k doesnt seem much?

I wonder what the figures are here?


As a total aside - I was looking at a holiday Boston area - around up to Niagara etc, and a Boston Hotel seems to be 200 dollars a night (2 adults , one kid)? That seems steep, didnt it used to be that US hotels were cheap? Now a fortnights stay in Boston is getting towards what the average black family is worth?

Renting - It depends on the area. In my city, a lot of people are losing their homes due to property values, HOA failures, and bad decisions. More people are being forced to leave their homes and find a place to rent, so renting has taken a huge hike, which has increased the costs associated with it, unfortunately.

Boston - I had to travel to Boston a few months ago for my brother's wedding. I found that it was very expensive to stay in the city as well. I was shocked that a regular hotel chain was about twice the price of similar room in Florida. Then again, many things were more expensive in Boston.

I would recommend finding a room outside of Boston alone the highway, in whichever direction you wish to travel on your visit. You'll save bundles. This is what I ended up ultimately doing, and found a good rate for a hotel and car rental on a website specializing in such things. (CheapTickets.com actually)

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Renting - It depends on the area. In my city, a lot of people are losing their homes due to property values, HOA failures, and bad decisions. More people are being forced to leave their homes and find a place to rent, so renting has taken a huge hike, which has increased the costs associated with it, unfortunately.

Boston - I had to travel to Boston a few months ago for my brother's wedding. I found that it was very expensive to stay in the city as well. I was shocked that a regular hotel chain was about twice the price of similar room in Florida. Then again, many things were more expensive in Boston.

I would recommend finding a room outside of Boston alone the highway, in whichever direction you wish to travel on your visit. You'll save bundles. This is what I ended up ultimately doing, and found a good rate for a hotel and car rental on a website specializing in such things. (CheapTickets.com actually)

Hmmm, Boston may not be were I want to be then, if its too expensive, on the other hand you are correct we could stay outside Boston - its not like we need top be the centre of the nightlife or something. Thanks - I shall look into it.

HOA?

 

[SimonB1978]

I visited Boston this summer. Not THAT expensive beside hotel rooms. I think the main reason is that lots of hotels were "No Vacancy". Likely a demand/offer thing. What I suggest is getting an hotel a bit outside of town but close to a subway line (what we did). We then got a 7-day unlimited pass for 15$. Will get you pretty much anywhere.

Niagara: are you speaking Niagara, NY (Niagara Falls, ON) ? Cause it's like 8 hour drive from Boston...

 

[Vassago]

Besides the expense, the worst hassle in Boston and the surrounding areas is the traffic! People cannot drive up there. Boston gets VERY congested during the day, all day. It was enough to drive me mad!

 

[ColinEssex]

Are the Klu-Klux-Klan still in operation in the USA? I haven't heard anything about them for years.

?Maybe there is a modern equivalent perhaps?

Col