Neat evidence of Noah's ark (2 Viewers)

[Isaac]

Researchers find 'compelling evidence' of possible Noah's Ark remains in one country

Potentially indicating the location of Noah's Ark, researchers at Turkey's Durupinar site have uncovered promising evidence of a man-made structure within a boat-shaped formation.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Pat Hartman]

That's pretty old news. Wonder why they've never tried to excavate it.

 

[Isaac]

That's pretty old news. Wonder why they've never tried to excavate it.

Some of it is old but some of it is brand new

 

[Pat Hartman]

I remember the find making news back when I was in grammar school

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The Biblical Noah's Ark - as literally described in the Bible - would collapse under its own weight. A smaller boat, made to then-modern standards, was the Wyoming, which did float, but it was torn apart by stresses during a storm. The debate rages on, and as shown by the link in post #1, there is still work in part of Turkey where archaeologists believe they have found the resting place of the Ark.

I could believe someone making a big boat to evacuate his family and farm animals, though WHY someone would have a reason to do that in times when meteorology was not yet a science is beyond me. The story of Noah's ark is clearly an exaggeration if it happened at all.

 

[Pat Hartman]

The story of Noah's ark is clearly an exaggeration if it happened at all.

Stories of a major flood occur in several societies from that part of the world. The flood more than likely was the result of a tidal wave rather than a storm.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Don't disagree, but the advanced warning part is suspect. Enough advanced warning for eight people to build a wooden boat over 450 feet long? The number of cultures that have a flood myth is astounding.

List of flood myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AccessBlaster]

Don't disagree, but the advanced warning part is suspect. Enough advanced warning for eight people to build a wooden boat over 450 feet long?

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

I believe that at the moment, since they have not completed the excavation, other factors have not been eliminated.

 

[Isaac]

I remember the find making news back when I was in grammar school

Right but this is a new aspect of it - not the main site, but items IN the site showing new evidence.

 

[Isaac]

Don't disagree, but the advanced warning part is suspect. Enough advanced warning for eight people to build a wooden boat over 450 feet long? The number of cultures that have a flood myth is astounding.

List of flood myths - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That just makes me believe even more - and a beautiful thing to see God giving hints and whispers of the same thing He put in His word to many peoples, tribes and nations. Turn the "astounding" into an ah-ha moment - then it's no longer astounding

 

[Isaac]

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

It's the same way with the identity of Jesus. CS Lewis argues this amazingly well in Mere Christianity and other writings.
People who say Jesus was just a great teacher are the ones arguing for the least-likely and most highly improbable scenario.
A great teacher wouldn't go around saying he was God and pointing out hundreds of fulfilled prophesies by his life, then rise from the dead by many accounts.
He's a liar, lunatic or Lord - and great teacher isn't one of the possibilities.

 

[AccessBlaster]

It's the same way with the identity of Jesus. CS Lewis argues this amazingly well in Mere Christianity and other writings.
People who say Jesus was just a great teacher are the ones arguing for the least-likely and most highly improbable scenario.
A great teacher wouldn't go around saying he was God and pointing out hundreds of fulfilled prophesies by his life, then rise from the dead by many accounts.
He's a liar, lunatic or Lord - and great teacher isn't one of the possibilities.

We are told that creation is a fairy tale. And yet, spontaneous creation "everything from nothing" is considered possible. To me, they've simply removed the God character to fit their narrative.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Part of the fallacy inherent in the "something from nothing" argument that opposes an all-natural inception of the universe is that we are learning that what primitives and non-technical people call "nothing" but spontaneous pair production - and some of the JWST findings - suggest that it wasn't "nothing" at all. It was merely something that our senses don't register.

Removing the "God character" is simply an application of Occam's Razor. We find things in nature that we can explain through nature. But when you throw in God you require a creature (entity?) that exists outside of nature as we know it, a magical entity that created us for unfathomable reasons, and yet the perfect and self-sufficient being decided we needed to exist. So the magical mystery entity CREATES a whole frickin' universe and creates evidence that it was natural. OR using Occam's Razor, we do away with the middleman and accept impersonal nature as our origin.

 

[Isaac]

It doesn't matter how you slice it, if you don't believe in God, you believe something came from nothing at some point - OR ELSE you believe in "Eternity", which brings you back to square 1. You really can't have it any other ways.

 

[Isaac]

We are told that creation is a fairy tale. And yet, spontaneous creation "everything from nothing" is considered possible. To me, they've simply removed the God character to fit their narrative.

And getting all this from nothing is much harder to believe than believing in a creator, IMO. Much harder, I doubt I'd have the faith for it.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Until the origin has been identified it will remain speculative.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

And getting all this from nothing is much harder to believe than believing in a creator,

And you missed my point, or I stated it incorrectly. We are discovering that what you call "nothing" might not be nothing, but rather it might be something that we haven't yet learned to detect. Modern cosmology is beginning to draw away from the "Big Bang" and if they do, there goes the Biblical claim on a scientific fiat lux situation. No creation. And CERTAINLY not a young Earth per Bishop Ussher and his speculation.

 

[Isaac]

And you missed my point, or I stated it incorrectly. We are discovering that what you call "nothing" might not be nothing, but rather it might be something that we haven't yet learned to detect. Modern cosmology is beginning to draw away from the "Big Bang" and if they do, there goes the Biblical claim on a scientific fiat lux situation. No creation. And CERTAINLY not a young Earth per Bishop Ussher and his speculation.

Okay but if it wasn't nothing and it was always something that means that you believe in eternity..

 

[The_Doc_Man]

That depends on specifically how you define it. I believe in the physics definition of "eternal" - which doesn't include any eternal inhabitants thereof.