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[Jon]

If you're only job is to say things, and the things you say are either stupid of provable lies, then you are too stupid for the job.

If that is the case, how did his "stupid" things he say result in a great economy and low illegal immigration? Unless of course you believe low illegal immigration is a bad thing, which you might.

I still get puzzled why Democrats think Trump is bad and evil. But then again, they might think all Republicans are evil. It is such a stupid stance to take. I am bewildered by it all. It is like they are so full of hate and bile that they can't control themselves and have to lash out at everybody, and especially Trump. Odd!

 

[Mike Krailo]

Words matter. In fact, words from the President are his only acts that matters. I find it incredulous that anyone would have any defense for his continued wanton childish behavior.

Guess you haven't been listening to the current president lately if words matter. The 25th amendment should have been invoked a long time ago.

And no, words only matter if you back them up with action that does great things for the country being represented. Politicians tell you what you want to hear so you vote for them and then totally let you down on their promises. Trump tells you what he's going to do and does it and still has time for a round of golf. I'd like to see Biden play a round of golf that is nationally televised with him playing against Trump. That would be a hoot. When he takes over the WH again, it'll be even more of a hoot.

 

[pdanes]

As we have seen by the reaction of most of our people, and of that of our long term allies in Europe. This remark from Former President Trump, as he tries out again for the most powerful job on the planet, proves he is too stupid for the job.

Words matter. In fact, words from the President are his only acts that matters. I find it incredulous that anyone would have any defense for his continued wanton childish behavior.

It's past time to put him out to pasture.

Words matter, but actions matter a lot more. But it's a wash anyway - Biden fails miserably in both categories.. This will be one of the few times that people will be able to compare two presidential candidates on their actual performance in office, instead of the record of one against the promises of another, where the promises always sound better than any reality ever can. The record is clear - Trump's performance as a president so far outshines Biden's that it's not even sensible to try comparing them. By every metric possible, Trump wins.

 

[jpl458]

The existential threat is liberal ideology. Just look at what it's done to New York, San Francisco etc. Once great cities reduced to open air prisons for the mentally ill.

Then, why is crime down in all the sanctuary cities?

 

[AccessBlaster]

Victims of liberal / migrant crime have stopped reporting crime, because the defunded cops are not coming. We are all victims of liberal ideology.

 

[Steve R.]

Then, why is crime down in all the sanctuary cities?

That's an easy one. Just change the definition. That's how Democrats "solve" problems.

Ben Crump says ending crime in US as easy as changing ‘definition of crime’. Dr. Swain says that’s ‘ludicrous’ | Fox News Video

Civil rights attorney Ben Crump saying U.S. laws target Black culture, and to end crime you must redefine what are considered crimes is "ludicrous," said Dr. Carol Swain.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Isaac]

Then, why is crime down in all the sanctuary cities?

Imagine how "down" it COULD be if they would just keep criminals locked up instead of turning them free on no bail

 

[Steve R.]

Then, why is crime down in all the sanctuary cities?

Well, what about this?

San Francisco voters say enough is enough with drug, public safety concerns

San Francisco voters approved a pair of local public safety measures, apparently fed up with the level of crime, drug use and homelessness in their city.

ktul.com

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Then, why is crime down in all the sanctuary cities?

Check for reports of establishments like Walgreens or Target closing their doors due to rampant shoplifting for which the police are not responsive. That that will tell you how far down crime has gone... NOT.

 

[Jon]

Then, why is crime down in all the sanctuary cities?

There are two ways crime is measured in the US: FBI UCR data (crime reported to the police) and NCVS data (surveyed crime). Most crime is not reported to the police. So, the FBI data represents only a small proportion of actual crime. Therefore, a 2% drop here and there is negligible in the scheme of things.

The NCVS data is where they go out to households and ask them if they were a victim of crime, so it includes police reported crime and unreported crime. Now, consider the recent vilification of the police and how liberals have advocated to defund them. The complete distrust and gaslighting by left-leaning media and politicians towards the police means far fewer people will report their crime. So, given that less people are reporting crimes to the police, you would expect the FBI data to show a significant drop in reported crimes. Yet that did not happen. Why? Let me explain.

The NCVS data shows that crime is up over 100% in aggravated assault, with total violent crime up 75%. And that explains the FBI figures. When crime is up so much and police reporting is down so far, one has almost cancelled out the other. So look at the NCVS data to get the real picture.

Why do I know all this? Well, I watched a clip on MSNBC the other day and was shocked by the complete BS on that channel. They were talking about how much crime was down and that Trump is completely lying about crime being up. So I went to look at the data myself, something MSNBC provided none of since they just spout a bunch of crap without backing it up.

The following article (source below) did not come to a conclusion, but remember that it comes from academia and we know where the slant is in those organisations. Did they not factor in the George Floyd trial during that period, and the consequent defund the police movement? They mention it but then excuse it.

How bad crime has gotten is quite clear from this chart.

Source: https://counciloncj.org/did-violent-crime-go-up-or-down-last-year-yes-it-did/

 

[Thales750]

By every metric possible, Trump wins.

By every metric in the news sources you watch. That's the thing about propaganda. It uses the voice of it's own people.

 

[AccessBlaster]

By every metric in the news sources you watch. That's the thing about propaganda. It uses the voice of it's own people.

What metrics do you use? Just curious.

 

[Thales750]

Check for reports of establishments like Walgreens or Target closing their doors due to rampant shoplifting for which the police are not responsive. That that will tell you how far down crime has gone... NOT.

People stealing everyday products has many root causes. I live in an area that has super high petty theft. We are fairly low on other crimes for the most part. We have a few bad neighborhood.

We're are a tourist island/town of around 50K folks. Our police focus on keeping criminals that would prey on tourist in prison.
Walmart and Target thrive here. It works for us.

 

[Thales750]

What metrics do you use? Just curious.

I like science news for the most part, I read actual financial news.
Here is an example of an issue that most right news watching people have no idea about.
China:
Trump's solution was to raise tariffs. A good first start.
The administration's implementation of it was flawed however and it actually ended hurting more American companies and workers. He started with raw goods, the exact opposite of what was needed. All conservatives, everywhere, praised him. I knew when he first started that program, it would backfire.

Biden's administration got passed the chip act. Arguably one of the most important national interest bills to come along in 25 years. And yet we hear from conservatives that he has done nothing.

Trump's lowing of taxes for the wealthy has had an adverse affect on the people and the national debt. No conservatives I know and no conservative news source will discuss this. The actual data is available.

An example of the biggest effect of propaganda it this very thread. Where people get emotional, and make unequivocal statements. You wouldn't know it by this thread, but when I have these kinds of discussion with obsessive left leaners the same thing happens there as well.

In the meantime, the aspirin that I take everyday to stay alive, is now sourced in China. It doesn't sound like a big deal. unless you think about why we don't all talk about that.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I like science news for the most part, I read actual financial news.
Here is an example of an issue that most right news watching people have no idea about.
China:
Trump's solution was to raise tariffs. A good first start.
The administration's implementation of it was flawed however and it actually ended hurting more American companies and workers. He started with raw goods, the exact opposite of what was needed. All conservatives, everywhere, praised him. I knew when he first started that program, it would backfire.

Biden's administration got passed the chip act. Arguably one of the most important national interest bills to come along in 25 years. And yet we hear from conservatives that he has done nothing.

Trump's lowing of taxes for the wealthy has had an adverse affect on the people and the national debt. No conservatives I know and no conservative news source will discuss this. The actual data is available.

An example of the biggest effect of propaganda it this very thread. Where people get emotional, and make unequivocal statements. You wouldn't know it by this thread, but when I have these kinds of discussion with obsessive left leaners the same thing happens there as well.

In the meantime, the aspirin that I take everyday to stay alive, is now sourced in China. It doesn't sound like a big deal. unless you think about why we don't all talk about that.

Personally, I look at the price of everything like gas, food, housing, not the news. I don't need right-wing news to tell me everything is more expensive. All the pricing metrics appeared to be lower under Trump. Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels that way.

 

[Thales750]

Personally, I look at the price of everything like gas, food, housing, not the news. I don't need right-wing news to tell me everything is more expensive. All the pricing metrics appeared to be lower under Trump. Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels that way.

Except when Biden first got in the Oil Spot Market made gas prices higher to punish us for voting for Biden. According to conservatives, this was Biden's fault. after they went down, not a word.

The inflation and higher interest rates had nothing to do with Biden. I realize that conservatives go on an on about government over-spending causing inflation, but that was not the case for the last 40 years of virtually flat inflation.

So what changed?

That's the questions that Supply Siders don't ask, they just accept. Trump got elected during one of the great financial recoveries in history. He took credit for all that. Trump road the end of the possibility of low interest rates. The interest rates corrections were long overdue, and would have continued for a while longer had it not been what the building supply companies figure out.

That was the game changer, and that happened during Trump's administration. The effects of that created the inflation, end of story. I know a lot about this I am willing to have a specific conversation this latest inflation cycle.

Trump lowering taxes on the wealthy caused the debt to increase. The chip shortage and the building materials cost run-up during the pandemic created a panacea for corporate greed, and the pricing AIs went into motion. If you want a conspiracy theory, there you are.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Except when Biden first got in the Oil Spot Market made gas prices higher to punish us for voting for Biden. According to conservatives, this was Biden's fault. after they went down, not a word.

The inflation and higher interest rates had nothing to do with Biden. I realize that conservatives go on an on about government over-spending causing inflation, but that was not the case for the last 40 years of virtually flat inflation.

So what changed?

That's the questions that Supply Siders don't ask, they just accept. Trump got elected during one of the great financial recoveries in history. He took credit for all that. Trump road the end of the possibility of low interest rates. The interest rates corrections were long overdue, and would have continued for a while longer had it not been what the building supply companies figure out.

That was the game changer, and that happened during Trump's administration. The effects of that created the inflation, end of story. I know a lot about this I am willing to have a specific conversation this latest inflation cycle.

Trump lowering taxes on the wealthy caused the debt to increase. The chip shortage and the building materials cost run-up during the pandemic created a panacea for corporate greed, and the pricing AIs went into motion. If you want a conspiracy theory, there you are.

Again, it's about perception, and who's doing what. Was my life easier 4 years ago? Did my dollars go further? You can make the case that the other guy created it and didn't get credit for it. That doesn't help me now; all I know is things are more expensive now. And crime seems to be on the rise.

You don't have to be a right-wing nut job to vote with your wallet, but it helps

 

[Thales750]

Again, it's about perception, and who's doing what. Was my life easier 4 years ago? Did my dollars go further? You can make the case that the other guy created it and didn't get credit for it. That doesn't help me now; all I know is things are more expensive now. And crime seems to be on the rise.

You don't have to be a right-wing nut job to vote with your wallet, but it helps

Understanding how the economy works take a lot more effort than most people are willing to give it. The thing that is easy to understand though, is that the nation has done better financially over the last hundred years or so with Democrats in the Whitehouse. Even Trump said so.

 

[Thales750]

Guess you haven't been listening to the current president lately if words matter. The 25th amendment should have been invoked a long time ago.

And no, words only matter if you back them up with action that does great things for the country being represented. Politicians tell you what you want to hear so you vote for them and then totally let you down on their promises. Trump tells you what he's going to do and does it and still has time for a round of golf. I'd like to see Biden play a round of golf that is nationally televised with him playing against Trump. That would be a hoot. When he takes over the WH again, it'll be even more of a hoot.

The president really doesn't do actions. His tool is words. Workers do actions, soldiers do actions. The President says things to the American people, words that matter. The President says words to our allies, and our enemies. The State department does the actions.

Why do you think this is about Biden?

 

[AccessBlaster]

Understanding how the economy works take a lot more effort than most people are willing to give it. The thing that is easy to understand though, is that the nation has done better financially over the last hundred years or so with Democrats in the Whitehouse. Even Trump said so.

Cause and effect. The perception is Biden caused a negative effect to the economy, border and a whole host of other issues.