Pay your bills

[Thales750]

Where do you get your news? That is a totally insane comment. On what do you base that opinion, something you saw on SNL?

Trump conservatives get arrested for praying in front of abortion clinics and are convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison whereas illegal alien street thugs beat up police officers and walk free. No bail. Just come back for your hearing if you feel like it. As they give the media the finger on their way to the bus station so they can get out of town before someone changes their mind.

These stories are close to the facts. And I just read multiple articles on both. Some of the articles are from the sources where your kind of news is reported, some where the liberals get theirs. And others that included some of the left out facts The versions you sited was right there among the most from the conservative side.

As usual, there are shades of gray.

It's funny how much Liberals and Trump supporters have in common. They are both almost completely incapable, or at least unwilling, of looking outside the boxes they have been reinforcing these last decades.

Even if your two anecdotal examples were 100 percent factual, which they are not. It would still not paint the whole picture. And yet conservatives, liberals, and Trump lovers continue to push until we are, once again, deciding between the lessor of evils.

You like to call me stupid, I get it that is your way and all, but i bet you don't even know what has been the instrument of all of this descent.

It is without question "Citizens United" and all of the corruption that it harbingered . This is not the first time we have been here. We had a bought and paid for US Government at the end of the 1800s. Luckily some of the old style Republicans got together with some of the Dems and some labor folks and straightened it out.

This corruption will not end as long as we are divided.

 

[Thales750]

YES, existential. And YES, they are welcome if they come in legally and make themselves subject to our laws - including our tax laws and our immigration quota laws. So yes, I WILL use that argument, and I'm truly sorry if you don't understand it.

I had a friend, she was from Germany, educated and multilingual, marries a soldier and moves to the US where she made some babies, got more educated, and went through the process of becoming a American Citizen. Good for her. We are blessed to attract such folks from all over the world.

Juxtapose that with the young man with 2 daughters that comes from a small town, or a big city, in Mexico, not educated, maybe can read Spanish, certainly not English. He is a hard worker raise by good people, most of them Christians, devout and faithful to their wives.

We need their skills, their hard work and their ethics. Sadly, our politicians have been using this for 40 years to divide Americans. We need a more streamlined path to coming here and working. The only reason we don't is because our politicians, and their puppet masters, don't want us to have it. They want this artificial division to fester. i live down here with these people, what you all believe is 180 degrees out of phase with reality.

They come here for $20 an hour to do hard assed labor, to send some money back so their daughters can eat. And, we condemn them for working illegally. What a seriously not funny joke.

Watch this video.

Bush and Reagan

 

[pdanes]

In the Election in 2024, Independents will step up and vote for anyone other than Trump. Hard lessons are coming for Republicans that allowed this cult following to override rational thought.

Independents are far more likely to look at results and vote according to those, rather than faithfully sticking to a party. In most elections, people must balance real results, which always have flaws, against promises from the new guy, which always sound better. The upcoming election is one of the few when people will be able to compare actual track records from both presidential candidates IN THE OFFICE for which they are running.

When you compare those, Biden fall so far short it's as if he was not even in the race, but one of those 'special' athletes that are occasionally let onto the field in a real game, while all the players pretend to not be able to perform, so the 'special' child can victoriously carry the ball across the goal line.

 

[Isaac]

I tend to agree with that.

Trump's policies work better than [any] Democrat policies ... Period.

We must recognize the threat of national debt and think of what we are leaving to our children. The Democrats always try to get an easy time of it by just promising to spend more money to give people stuff, Republicans less so.

The people in the 'middle' of the tax issue - meaning MY family, not poor so as to avoid all taxes as half the country does, and not rich enough to hire experts to get me 'out' of taxes - we are paying enormous amounts of tax money. It's time to cut out the frivolous stuff from government spending. I'm doing my taxes and despite having thousands withheld every month for the government, I'll still owe another few thousand, much of it going toward too-big-Democrat-induced government, like free stuff for people who haven't earned it.

The gov is NOT THERE to take care of your every want and need and outcome, it's there to set some rather basic guardrails and boundaries and open up opportunities for YOU to choose to control YOUR destiny, wherein some will always choose poorly and reap poorly, but forcing their outcomes to be better is only a form of robbery from the rest.

No matter how dumb Trump's occasional outbursts are, I'll vote Republican any day of the week. Democrats tend to lead the country in a dozen wrong directions

 

[Steve R.]

Trump took his lessens from Goebbels and Hitler. Tell big lies and tell them often, never stop telling the lies, and people will believe you.

Seems that you neglect and even bigger liar, who unfortunately has the support of most of the media. The gullible public sadly believes Biden's lies.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1758583741184909657

Especially despicable is what Hanson said about the senior Biden using his own son's death for his political benefit.

He lied that Hur brought up his son’s death (“How in the hell dare he raise that?”). In fact, Biden as is his serial wont, raised it, and does on a regular basis, usually deliberately and further lying that his son died while on military duty in Iraq (he died six years subsequently as a civilian in Walter Reed Hospital), and always contorting the death to enhance his own greater sense of grieving.

 

[shoji]

It is really sad to find that some of you veteran commentators, like Pat, Doc Man, and Jon, who give reasonable advices on Access, are on the side of morally collapsed Republicans, and even Trumpian! Any reasonable person knows that Trump is a cheat, pathological liar, and egomaniac con man. It is frightening to think how much harm he as a president will cause to the world.

 

[Thales750]

Which is exactly why they are likely to vote for Trump.

People who vote against Trump, vote that way because they don't like his personality. Pretty dumb reason in my opinion. It's like threatening to stick a pencil into your own eye because you don't like Trump's personality without even considering how his policies might benefit you. They never understand that the Democrat policies will always hurt you - unless you are one of the 47% who don't actually pay ANYTHING let alone your fair share.

Spoken like a true believer.

 

[Isaac]

Just think, these are the type of agents we are relying on for January 6th evidence. People who rob the homes when they're serving warrants

Alexander Fan sentenced: FBI agent accused of stealing from Jan. 6, 2021 riot participant's home in southeast Houston | abc13.com

US%20Capitol%20riot%20participant%20Alexander%20Fan%20was%20sentenced%20to%2012%20months%20probation%20for%20trespassing%20during%20a%20sentencing%20hearing%20on%20Friday.

abc13.com

 

[Isaac]

It is really sad to find that some of you veteran commentators, like Pat, Doc Man, and Jon, who give reasonable advices on Access, are on the side of morally collapsed Republicans, and even Trumpian! Any reasonable person knows that Trump is a cheat, pathological liar, and egomaniac con man. It is frightening to think how much harm he as a president will cause to the world.

All of the Democrat policies lead to robbing tax money from people who are diligently working, encouraging laziness and entitlement, new forms of racism against anyone who has achieved any success, overspending as we reach the edge of a dangerous cliff of government debt that we are handing down to our children, and teaching sexually explicit subjects to young children and schools.

That's just a few that I could think of off the top of my head there are probably a dozen more.

If the Republicans are morally collapsed, it's only because they are not going hard and strong enough in the Republican direction. Democrats locked kids out of school for a couple years many have committed suicide or are in permanent states of mental health disarray.

Hopefully Republicans take power and keep it forever so we can get people back to a healthy happy successful American dream type of life where they realize from a young age that they will and can work and be successful by working hard.

 

[Steve R.]

Biden must have forgotten Obama's admonition to use the pen and phone to sidestep Congress.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1759013087238111639

 

[AccessBlaster]

Dazed and confused, isn't he on vacation? Someone needs to arrest Jill for elder abuse.

 

[Thales750]

This started out with Former President Trump being quoted as saying that killing women and children in Europe is ok. As long as their deadbeat governments are in arrears in their payments to NATO. I'm paraphrasing, but that is how everyone but his worshipers read it.

And it got turned by Trump Worshipers to be about Biden.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

Donald Trump

Many of us, as strange as that might appear to the True Believers, are as far away from being Liberal as we are from being a Trump Worshiper. We don't particularly support Biden not because of his policies but that he allowed Trump to continue to be an influence.

Here is a question for the Trump Lovers in this crowd.

Do you think the resistance to pass the Border Security Bill is in anyway motivated to strengthen Trump's presidential possibilities?

 

[Isaac]

This started out with Former President Trump being quoted as saying that killing women and children in Europe is ok. As long as their deadbeat governments are in arrears in their payments to NATA. I'm paraphrasing, but that is how everyone but his worshipers read it.

And it got turned by Trump Worshipers to be about Biden.


Donald Trump

Many of us, as strange as that might appear to the True Believers, are as far away from being Liberal as we are from being a Trump Worshiper. We don't particularly support Biden not because of his policies but that he allowed Trump to continue to be an influence.

Here is a question for the Trump Lovers in this crowd.

Do you think the resistance to pass the Border Security Bill is in anyway motivated to strengthen Trump's presidential possibilities?

No, I think most of it is so that he can do a better job of solving the issue more thorough and more complete and it was less loopholes when the time comes. Too little too late from Democrats

 

[AccessBlaster]

Do you think the resistance to pass the Border Security Bill is in anyway motivated to strengthen Trump's presidential possibilities?

Of course. It's politics, obviously.

We had 'Remain in Mexico' until Bumble f*ck gutted it on day one. Now we are playing games because Democrats don't like the optics of the border, NYC, and the possibility of terrorists streaming across the southern border during an election cycle.

Let's face it, if this wasn't an election cycle, Democrats would still be saying the border is closed.

 

[Thales750]

Must you put your own obscene thoughts into Trump's mouth? It never ceases to amaze me the ugliness that comes out of the mouths of the "good" and "moral" liberals which they then attribute to DJT because that is what they think, he is thinking. How do they determine that? Oh! That's actually what they think. Somehow, they have to say what they're thinking but they can't so they make Trump say it.

Isn't that a stupid enough remark? You need to make him say more stupid stuff than that?

I understand that your sensibilities prevent any deviation from the word of the divine leader. However, most of us are not liberal simply because we disagree with his propaganda. For example, I am as far from being a liberal as I am from being a Trump supporter.

As usual, Pat, you demonstrate a strong inability to consider any position that does not align with your worldview completely. To me, this, along with your emotional reactions, indicates that you are a victim of propaganda.

Regarding my interpretation of his meaning as obscene, how else would you interpret this statement?

Former U.S. President Donald Trump indeed made a statement regarding NATO countries and their financial obligations to the defense alliance. During a rally in South Carolina, he recounted an exchange from his time in office with the leader of a "big country." When asked whether that country would be protected if Russia attacked, Trump responded by saying that the U.S. government would not protect the bloc if it didn't pay its fair share in defense spending. He stated, "No, I would
not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills"

I'm guessing those countries have both women and children living there. Maybe Trump meant the invaders shouldn't bomb, or otherwise kill, the noncombatants. Russia has done such a good job of that so far.

Pat, we are never going to move ahead as a nation until True Believers wake up and stop supporting every aspect of their own narrow world view. These same people need to learn to stop believing that any deviation from that view makes them the enemy.

How do you think we got to a place, in this country, where people hold other's in contempt when they don't even try to understand the other person's views?

I have some ideas about this, but I have found that Liberals as well as Trump Worshiper have a super hard time with it. I can, for example name a few things that the Trump administration got right.

The Obama administration got quite a bit right, as has the Biden's. Can you think of anything that they got right?

 

[Thales750]

As we have seen by the reaction of most of our people, and of that of our long term allies in Europe. This remark from Former President Trump, as he tries out again for the most powerful job on the planet, proves he is too stupid for the job.

Words matter. In fact, words from the President are his only acts that matters. I find it incredulous that anyone would have any defense for his continued wanton childish behavior.

It's past time to put him out to pasture.

 

[pdanes]

As we have seen by the reaction of most of our people, and of that of our long term allies in Europe. This remark from Former President Trump, as he tries out again for the most powerful job on the planet, proves he is too stupid for the job.

Words matter. In fact, words from the President are his only acts that matters. I find it incredulous that anyone would have any defense for his continued wanton childish behavior.

It's past time to put him out to pasture.

I find it incredulous that so many people rage against one of the best presidents we've had for a long time. All you see is the stage show, and you say that is offensive, as if your being offended meant something.

He is not stupid - far from it. The stupid ones are the ones who swallow the media's stories about him. You probably think he recommended people drink bleach, don't you? I still run into people that fell for that one.

Biden is the one who we need to put out - not to pasture, but to a nursing home. Trump back in office is not an ideal situation - FAR better would have been if he had served his second term consecutively, and Biden had already been dumped from politics, but it's the best hope we have now.

 

[AccessBlaster]

"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f**k things up." -Barack Obama

 

[Thales750]

I find it incredulous that so many people rage against one of the best presidents we've had for a long time. All you see is the stage show, and you say that is offensive, as if your being offended meant something.

He is not stupid - far from it. The stupid ones are the ones who swallow the media's stories about him. You probably think he recommended people drink bleach, don't you? I still run into people that fell for that one.

Biden is the one who we need to put out - not to pasture, but to a nursing home. Trump back in office is not an ideal situation - FAR better would have been if he had served his second term consecutively, and Biden had already been dumped from politics, but it's the best hope we have now.

LOL he says stupid things, and his worshipers rally.

The group that has been ranking Presidents from the hundred years or so has put him as the very worst president in American history,
If you're only job is to say things, and the things you say are either stupid of provable lies, then you are too stupid for the job. What other qualification is there?
his worshipers don't even see that they are brainwashed, it's sad.

 

[pdanes]

LOL he says stupid things, and his worshipers rally.

The group that has been ranking Presidents from the hundred years or so has put him as the very worst president in American history,
If you're only job is to say things, and the things you say are either stupid of provable lies, then you are too stupid for the job. What other qualification is there?
his worshipers don't even see that they are brainwashed, it's sad.

Bravo - a perfect demonstration of TDS. What other anti-Trump hoaxes have you fallen for?