Republicans Vs. Democrats

[Rich]

Or hitting the bulls eye on a paper target where 99% of the shooting takes place (paper target, stones, clay targets, cans, etc. all lumped together in that).

Yes that's fine, but then there's no need to keep a gun in the house for that, is there ?

 

[selenau837]

Yes that's fine, but then there's no need to keep a gun in the house for that, is there ?

Well, where else would you keep it. The proper way to store a gun, is to keep it unloaded in a lock box, at the top of a closet somewhere. Always out of the reach of minors.

 

[Rich]

Well, where else would you keep it. The proper way to store a gun, is to keep it unloaded in a lock box, at the top of a closet somewhere. Always out of the reach of minors.

That's the way it is here, for those that own shotguns, but then if one belongs to a club, the guns can be stored there, safely

 

[selenau837]

That's the way it is here, for those that own shotguns, but then if one belongs to a club, the guns can be stored there, safely

I wouldn't trust mine to be left anywhere but my house. That way I know it is locked up and safe.

 

[FoFa]

Fact. More people left the welfare roles during the Clinton administration.

Good fact, how ever the issue can't really be attributed to the Dem's. This was a voters issue and the voters wanted something done about welfare, and it was an election year. Clinton in his famous "put up a finger to see which way the wind is blowing" decided to inact some new controls on welfare. The repub's in congress were happy to sigh it. One thing you did fail to leave out was that classic Clinton quote where he said after he was re-elected he would "fix" this oversight on his part.

Fact: Under the last 3 Republican administrations government overspending (deficits) have risen to record levels. The national dept is currently 8 trillion dollars or about $24,000 for each American, including your children.

True, except under Reagan it was expected, and the outcome was worth it as it played a major role in the downfall of the iron curtain.

Fact: in the last 100 years during Democratic administrations the stock market has out performed the Republic one.

Yes, but some say this is a hold over from the repub's term in office as it was usually going up by ther term end and usually going down by the term end of the dem's. One of the things I have noticed about the stock market, it reacts to such weird stuff I can't always trust it is a good indicator until you can view 5-7 year trends.

A friend of mine owns a company. He employs around fifty union workers, since they are union he is required by contract to pay them a living wage. Well our brilliant Republican President decided to give a wonderful tax break in 2002, my friend saved $150,000 on his federal income taxes in 2004, the barely middle class folks working for him averaged saving about $300 each.

One thing about tax breaks, the more you pay in taxes, the more break you get. People always seem to fail to think that through. One of the Dem's arguments is that the tax breaks don't help the poor. How ever the poor typically don't pay income tax (because their poor) so how can you give them a break? And it has also been shown time and time again that the tax breaks, although helping the rich the most, so seem to stimiulate the economy and help us working stiffs keep a job.

Who’s looking out for the middle class?
See that’s the problem, neither of them are.

I totally agree, but in the long term, I would rather have a $300 tax break than a $400 tax increase.

The middle class in the United States is diminishing while the Republicans cater to the ultra rich and the idiots that call themselves democrats are trying to get gay marriage passed.

Hence the Dem's always trying to get the minority/poor/etc. vote no matter what.

If we are to regain our commitment to having a prosperous middle class we are going to have to create a new platform for the democrats, one that has the interest of the common man (or woman) as the center of its agenda.

Why does it have to be Dem's? I think they have the middle class in contempt even more so then repub's.

But the biggest economic woe being visited upon us is this war, this republican war. With the money we spent on this war we could have created thousands of schools, fixed the national health care system, created a tax incentive program to build day care centers for working mothers, not hand outs for welfare recipients, but actual relief for the most assaulted group in America, the single working mom.

War is a funny thing. I remember almost every swinging person in Congress for the war intitally. But the funny thing about "We could have used the money for" is it is exactly like "What if.." But you will find that money (no matter who is in office) would not be used for those reasons, although I like the thinking, unfortunatly the real world does not seem to follow those lines. Same with spending money on all those other countries. What if we had that money for....

No the Democrats have been acting like idiots for too long, but that doesn’t excuse the excesses of the Republicans. Don’t let any one fool you, the republicans out spend the democrats by a large margin.

This is not always a true statement. lately it has been, but not in the past.

 

[FoFa]

Yes that's fine, but then there's no need to keep a gun in the house for that, is there ?

Why not, I have a gun safe where I keep mine.

 

[KenHigg]

...War is a funny thing.

What an odd statement to make regardless of what else preceded or followed it...

 

[ColinEssex]

We have gay marriages here and they can adopt children - whats the problem?

Col

 

[Rich]

True, except under Reagan it was expected, and the outcome was worth it as it played a major role in the downfall of the iron curtain.

That statement's contentious , to say the least

 

[FoFa]

What an odd statement to make regardless of what else preceded or followed it...

Maybe, but it seems almost everyone is "on board" when it starts. Then after awhile, they separate into political parties and that drives the view of the war after that. Also who is in charge can swing the view of the war totally around. It always seems after awhile the reason for the war, and the politics surrounding the war become two different things.

 

[KenHigg]

Maybe, but it seems almost everyone is "on board" when it starts. Then after awhile, they separate into political parties and that drives the view of the war after that. Also who is in charge can swing the view of the war totally around. It always seems after awhile the reason for the war, and the politics surrounding the war become two different things.

I agree with you...

I just don't think it would be very funny if I had to bury my son on account of it...

 

[Rich]

I agree with you...

I just don't think it would be very funny if I had to bury my son on account of it...

That's why those who got us into this mess should at least be thrown out of office and better still, put on trial!

 

[KenHigg]

It's my humble opinion that we'll all be held responsible for the sins of our generation one day...

 

[selenau837]

You know what...

This thread isn't helping me out much. Once again it has been changed to a Bush bashing segment.

I suppose that is ok, lets me know most people hate the Republicans.

 

[Kraj]

Here's how I see things, Selena.

Both parties are largely full of crap. I choose to believe that the majority of politicians are decent human beings and not primarily motivated by self-interest, but it only takes a powerful few who are to screw the pooch. In any case, both parties are guilty of lying or (at best) spinning everything to make themselves look good instead of having an honest assessment of a problem/situation.

So, really it all comes down to what is important to you and which party/candidate addresses those things the best. I have my beefs with the Democrats, and there are areas in which I agree with the Republicans. At this point in time, however, I tend to agree with the Democrats more often so I identify myself as a Democrat. Currently I also have serious problems with the Republican party, which further distances me from voting for any Republican candidate.

 

[selenau837]

Here's how I see things, Selena.

Both parties are largely full of crap. I choose to believe that the majority of politicians are decent human beings and not primarily motivated by self-interest, but it only takes a powerful few who are to screw the pooch. In any case, both parties are guilty of lying or (at best) spinning everything to make themselves look good instead of having an honest assessment of a problem/situation.

So, really it all comes down to what is important to you and which party/candidate addresses those things the best. I have my beefs with the Democrats, and there are areas in which I agree with the Republicans. At this point in time, however, I tend to agree with the Democrats more often so I identify myself as a Democrat. Currently I also have serious problems with the Republican party, which further distances me from voting for any Republican candidate.

Thank you Greg...that is what I thought, but wanted some validation.

Well, as you know I have a few things I HATE about the Democrats, so I tend to stay with the Republicians, but things could change. I am going to try and start paying more attention so I can honestly vote the best way I feel, not based on the party, but the one who upholds in what I believe.

 

[FoFa]

I agree with you...

I just don't think it would be very funny if I had to bury my son on account of it...

Never implied, hinted, or meant that in any which way.

 

[KenHigg]

Never implied, hinted, or meant that in any which way.

That's cool, I didn't mean to imply you did

Sorry if it came out that way....

 

[KenHigg]

...so I can honestly vote the best way I feel, not based on the party, but the one who upholds in what I believe.

You go girl!

 

[selenau837]

You go girl!

I will dang it.....lol...