Shocking news about UtterAccess owner

[Pat Hartman]

You do know it's legal in several states, right?

At the age of 9?????????????

 

[BlueSpruce]

You do know it's legal in several states, right? It was legal in Connecticut up until 2 or 3 years ago.

No Way!... Show me proof

 

[AccessBlaster]

Do you think any Jews are going to vote for Mamdani?

Yeah, I think young people in general like his message. They've been told by their professors to reject the current model in favor of a new model socialism/Marxism, young people have no frame of reference so it seems new.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Enough is enough. We're not going to allow religious beliefs and foreigners to make a mockery out of our justice system. That's my opinion and belief. American justice is not be perfect, but visit other countries and compare theirs to ours.

This has already happened. You just haven't noticed. We are no longer a nation of laws. Now our laws are selective. They apply to some people but not others. They especially apply to conservatives because conservatives are likely Trump voters. For example, if you're black, you can raid a store and steal goods off the shelves. No punishment, you're the "victim". If you're white, you need to wear a mask but there will still be no penalty. Every time I walk into a store I wonder what would happen if I just started pulling things off of shelves and walked out with it. If you are an illegal alien, you don't need photo ID to fly. If you are an illegal alien, you can steal government services without fear of prosecution, you can also steal medical services by simply showing up at a hospital. You can commit identity theft without a second thought. You can get a commercial drivers license in California without being able to pass the drivers test. And then you can take your rig to Florida and kill people with it because you violated traffic laws. If you are a Democrat you can lie to Congress and be certain the Republicans will never call you on it because the Republican members of Congress are feckless pieces of dog poo.

Do you think any Jews are going to vote for Mamdani? The NYC Jews were the one's who put Giuliani and Bloomberg in power.

Yes but only those who have a death wish

Trump will federalize it with troops.

He won't have any justification so he won't do it although he may federalize the police force to get them to at least arrest petty criminals even if the prosecutor will let them walk without bail. The rules are different for DC because of its status as our capitol. The President has some control over DC although not much.

The President is doing his best to normalize the application of laws but it is an uphill battle against the Republicans in Congress. Executive orders have severe limits and even if they get implemented, if the Congress doesn't make laws to make the EO's permanent, the next President can simply cancel them. Look how the Republicans have kept Trump from making recess appointments by sending two people to the Capitol every day to open and close each chamber. They blocked 130+ of his nominees. He is the Executive Officer of the Executive branch and he is entitled to pick his administrators. The feckless pieces of dog doo Republicans accepted all of Biden's nominees and yet they will not even give their own president the curtesy of not pretending that Congress is in session. Pieces of dog poo. That is what they are. If Musk manages to get some traction for his new party, I will never vote for a Republican again. They cannot be trusted. Trump is the exception. I don't care whether you like him or not or even suffer from TDS, you cannot deny (if you are even mildly honest) that the man puts his whole effort into the job and tries his best to fulfil his campaign promises.

If you believe Wikipedia, moke is wrong

Marriage age in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the entire history of the country, the lowest age for women was 12 and that was based on English Common Law. At no time EVER did we allow 9 year olds to marry. That is a Muslim idea. Not a Christian one.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Fun facts about bacon!

People who eat bacon have lower chance of marrying a 9 year old!

 

[Isaac]

If it becomes a big enough problem and threat to our National Security, that can be easily solved.

I hope easily

 

[Isaac]

No Way!... Show me proof

I think the key aspect is with parental permission.

Still, I'd be hard pressed to marry a dang 9 year old and then laws change and sentiments get updated and be accused of (obviously) grooming.
And in case you're wondering, don't worry - I'd be hard pressed to marry a 9 year old under any circumstances LOL !

 

[Isaac]

Fun facts about bacon!

People who eat bacon have lower chance of marrying a 9 year old!

And if you do marry a 9 year old, plan on frying your own - she ain't allowed near the stove !

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Reading throug Jack Leach's indictment, it is federal rather than state, so that means or implies evidence of interstate transmission of such materials. What happened to the site is pretty simple. The law in question appears to support the idea that you forfeit the illicit material and any equipment used to make or disseminate said materials. There goes the server and any storage devices he owned.

 

[BlueSpruce]

Reading throug Jack Leach's indictment, it is federal rather than state, so that means or implies evidence of interstate transmission of such materials. What happened to the site is pretty simple. The law in question appears to support the idea that you forfeit the illicit material and any equipment used to make or disseminate said materials. There goes the server and any storage devices he owned.

I think UA was hosted on AWS and after the Feds audited the site they had it shutdown. I don't recall seeing any porno content on UA. According to the indictment, Jack was using an alias "jreidmann". A search of that handle shows an instagram account. If someone else stole Jack's identity, used his wifi signal, and hacked his online accounts to perpetrate the crime, they were really good at framing him, but I'm sure the Feds were also physically watching Jack for quite some time to rule out the above.They also found incriminating evidence on several of his devices in his home and office. It will be very interesting to see the outcome of this case. Will Jack cop a plea, or fight the charges? He's being held without bail and they might not offer him a deal. The Jeffrey Epstein and Sean Combs cases have really increased the focus on sex and child porno trafficking.

 

[KitaYama]

No Way!... Show me proof

not 9 years old, but .....still underage

Between 2000 and 2018, nearly 300,000 minors were legally married in the U.S. Some married as young as 10, though cases at that age are uncommon and typically involve exceptional legal or judicial permission

Child Marriage in America: By the Numbers

More than 200,000 children under 18 have been legally married in the U.S. since 2000. This is what we know about them.

www.pbs.org

From wikipedia:

As of July 2025, child marriage is legal in 34 states.[2][3][4][5] 16 states have banned underage marriages, with no exception.

Child marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

‘I was handed to a complete stranger’: the survivors fighting to end child marriage in 37 US states – and the people who want to keep it legal

The country has seen hundreds of thousands of child marriages since 2000. As activists push for new laws, an unlikely cohort stands in their way

www.theguardian.com

However, four states—California, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Oklahoma—do not specify any minimum age, meaning in theory, younger than 18 (potentially even 10 or 11) could be married with consent or court approval

 

[moke123]

Reading throug Jack Leach's indictment, it is federal rather than state, so that means or implies evidence of interstate transmission of such materials.

I'm more intrigued by the fact that the feds kept it. They usually pass small stuff down to the states. There isn't much on Pacer yet, so not a lot of details.

 

[BlueSpruce]

not 9 years old, but .....still underage

Between 2000 and 2018, nearly 300,000 minors were legally married in the U.S. Some married as young as 10, though cases at that age are uncommon and typically involve exceptional legal or judicial permission

Child Marriage in America: By the Numbers

More than 200,000 children under 18 have been legally married in the U.S. since 2000. This is what we know about them.

www.pbs.org

From wikipedia:

Child marriage in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

‘I was handed to a complete stranger’: the survivors fighting to end child marriage in 37 US states – and the people who want to keep it legal

The country has seen hundreds of thousands of child marriages since 2000. As activists push for new laws, an unlikely cohort stands in their way

www.theguardian.com

However, four states—California, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Oklahoma—do not specify any minimum age, meaning in theory, younger than 18 (potentially even 10 or 11) could be married with consent or court approval

I've heard of States that drop statuatory raipe charges if the minor legally marries the defendant.

 

[BlueSpruce]

I'm more intrigued by the fact that the feds kept it. They usually pass small stuff down to the states

That's usually the case, but this case is not small. The Jeffrey Epstein and Sean Combs cases have certainly drawn more attention to this type of crime.
We will find out more as time moves on. I wouldn't be surprised if Jack pleads innocent and chooses trial by jury, as he is possibly facing life imprisonment. He's most likely being held in protective custody, under suicide watch. Inmates convicted of these types of charges don't fare well in prison. The implications of Jack being indicted means the content of UA was confiscated by the Feds and anyone associated with him are being investigated to see if they are co_conspirators.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/p...tempting-produce-child-sexual-abuse-materials

 

[moke123]

That's usually the case, but this case is not small. The Jeffrey Epstein and Sean Combs cases have certainly drawn more attention to this type of crime.
We will find out more as time moves on. I wouldn't be surprised if Jack pleads innocent and chooses trial by jury, as he is possibly facing life imprisonment. He's most likely being held in protective custody, under suicide watch. Inmates convicted of these types of charges don't fare well in prison. The implications of Jack being indicted means the content of UA was confiscated by the Feds and anyone associated with him are being investigated to see if they are co_conspirators.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/p...tempting-produce-child-sexual-abuse-materials

Your preaching to the choir, my friend.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one on here who has legally seen kiddie porn.

I doubt the case file will be sealed so I'll eventually be able to see the pleadings.

 

[moke123]

He's most likely being held in protective custody, under suicide watch. Inmates convicted of these types of charges don't fare well in prison.

I doubt he's being held. More likely released with conditions such as no unsupervised contact with kids under 18, No or limited access to computers and internet, etc.

St. Augustine business owner indicted on charges of having child sexual abuse material

Jack Leach, 43, faces up to 20 years in federal prison if convicted.

www.actionnewsjax.com

The criminal complaint includes what prosecutors said are messages from Leach’s phone, talking about children as young as three years old and traveling to the Philippines to abuse children there.

 

[moke123]

WOW!

Just read the 59 page summary of the investigation. Worse than you can ever imagine.

I've had my fair share of kiddie diddlers so not a lot shocks me. But WOW.

 

[Jon]

Now I am curious what was in it. How do I find it?

 

[moke123]

You need an account to access federal records.

I can't post it here but they have the log of a video conferencing app with him talking to the mother in the Philippines.

He makes some damning admissions.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

When I realized that it was a federal indictment, I knew this probably involved a longer investigation pre-arrest, because the feds (correctly) want to catch co-conspirators. Earlier, reading through the articles and comments, it was mentioned that the case stretches back at least 2 years. Now, learning that international interests are involved, this is the kind of case where they don't throw the book at him, they toss the whole law library.

He has to be treated as innocent until proven guilty, and I didn't know him personally, but anyone who knew him through a computer connection would probably not want to step forward right now. He will probably have to put his affairs in order before the trial because this might not involve a death penalty, but if he IS convicted, he might not see the free light of day for a long time.

Moke, you and I don't always see eye-to-eye on some political things, but I trust you to report honestly. Further, I understand that pre-trial, a lot of things are sealed in order to not prejudice the case. If you reacted as strongly as you did to what you saw through your privileged access, I will trust that it is definitely not something that we want to spill into the forum very much. I accept your discretion as being necessary and proper for this kind of case AND to protect the forum. It's why I beat around the bush sometimes when talking about my Navy projects that involved security clearances.