T-Dawg

If it were a named source by definition it wouldn't really be a leak.

What your really asking is for definitive proof or you will dismiss the leak allegations. We all know that rarely happens. They protect their sources.
 
So is the uproar / complaints about an indictment being issued or the "leak"? The leak is of no real consequence (as discussed there is little in it that is not generally expected/known) and from earlier discussions (eg #2), it was attributing some blame on the democrats or their sympathisers. This smacks more of how a conspiracy develops - entrenching division.

An example of how us/them thinking develops - is encouraged - when critical thinking is not followed
 
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I think we all know that most of the USA police/judiciary/ senators and Congress are corrupt.
Therefore, Trump will not be found guilty as he has unlimited funds to 'encourage' those that matter to be favourable. He employs 'fixers' to smooth whatever path he is on.
It's a bit like that paedo Jackson being found not guilty - which is not innocent, Trump will be the same, then he can pay his way to the White House. He will be the next president by one means or another.

Col
 
I think we all know that most of the USA police/judiciary/ senators and Congress are corrupt.
Therefore, Trump will not be found guilty as he has unlimited funds to 'encourage' those that matter to be favourable. He employs 'fixers' to smooth whatever path he is on.
It's a bit like that paedo Jackson being found not guilty - which is not innocent, Trump will be the same, then he can pay his way to the White House. He will be the next president by one means or another.

Col
That's a broad smear Colin (against police and judiciary at least). and the "other side" sees it as much the same from their viewpoint. Why? perhaps we all easily fall into confirmation bias. This is just the first for Trump and probably not the most damning charge. Lets see what is put forward, listen, and see what happens. I suspect your use of the word corruption may be very broad.
 
The leak is of no real consequence
I know. It is only a felony unlike the list of misdemeanors they are trying to stick to Trump. If the criminal is discovered (no one is looking), the charge would be downgraded anyway or more likely, just dropped. This DA selectively prosecutes individuals rather than actual crimes. Push an old lady down the stairs in the subway. It's OK. She didn't die. She only broke her shoulder. No harm, no foul. You can't walk the streets of Manhattan in the daylight let alone at night but the DA won't prosecute the criminals. He is so fixated on precutting Trump that he doesn't have time to prosecute actual criminals.
Therefore, Trump will not be found guilty as he has unlimited funds to 'encourage' those that matter to be favourable. He employs 'fixers' to smooth whatever path he is on.
Maybe you ought to not comment on subjects of which you are ignorant. The fact that Trump was indicted at all means there is a very high probability he will be convicted unless his lawyers can get a change of venue because the people who voted to indict him came from the same leftist Trump-hating voter pool as will the jury of his "peers" and the judge who hears the case.

You do realize I hope that the DA pursuing this case based his election campaign on a "get Trump" platform. This is the Stalin era tactic of "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" Think about it. Would it have been OK for him to have run his campaign on promising to GET "insert name of some public person you like"? I doubt it. The left can't even see their own hypricrocy.

Let's charge Colin with a crime:) I'm sure he has broken some law. Maybe he went through a red light late at night when no one was around. That's CRIMINAL. We'll search all the traffic cams in his town, we'll find it. We'll get him. I KNOW Colin has committed a crime. He is just that kind of person. Let's go through his tax returns with a fine tooth comb. I'm CERTAIN that there is some deduction he took that he was not entitled to. We'll make up a lie and get a search warrant so we can toss his home and rifle through his wife's underwear. You just never know where you're going to find a "secret" document.
 
I think we all know that most of the USA police/judiciary/ senators and Congress are corrupt.
Therefore, Trump will not be found guilty as he has unlimited funds to 'encourage' those that matter to be favourable. He employs 'fixers' to smooth whatever path he is on.
It's a bit like that paedo Jackson being found not guilty - which is not innocent, Trump will be the same, then he can pay his way to the White House. He will be the next president by one means or another.

Col

We have not seen the indictment yet (as of this posting) so don't know the details. I will say this much: The ONLY possible crime here would be that Trump used a legally restricted source of funds (for example, campaign funds) to pay for the "hush money." The fact that he paid some woman to be quiet about something, to include a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), is what we call a "nothing-burger." An NDA as a means of settling some dispute without resorting to a lawsuit is something that happens every day somewhere in the USA, probably several times a day. If no actual felony occurred (as the basis of the NDA), there IS NO CRIME. It's just a settlement out of court.
 
Well it certainly is not the us vs them thinking that is so prevalent at the moment. There is no (little) conceding of points in the politics we see, of seeing the other point of view and working through issues. Preconceptions and confirmation bias dominates. I would like to see a more critical/skeptical approach in general. We build from data / facts to knowledge and wisdom. However, it is not possible to use an entirely fact-based position. We have imperfect knowledge. At some point your morals / ethics and views (built from life experiences) must provide a filter - but it would be good to recognise when - and be prepared to change. Where do you stand?
I only have 2 parties to work with in the US.
No such luxury
 
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It will take all out warfare to stop the Marxists of the left and Republicans don't have the stomach for it. The Marxists are destroying the Constitution and quietly prosecuting ordinary citizens who commit minor or even no infractions. The Republicans never objected to them holding political prisoners as a result of the Jan 6th demonstration. Since they got away with that, they moved on to the real enemy - the evil orange man. I wonder if the left tells their children scary stories about the "boogy man" and substitutes "the evil orange man".

Just to show that the left has no understanding whatsoever of the Constitution, Nancy Pelosi tells us that Trump can "prove his innocence". Can you believe that a former Speaker of the House doesn't know that that isn't how our system of "justice" works. This woman has been a political leader for 40 years and she thinks that the accused has to prove his innocence:) What a piece of dog poo that woman is:poop::poop::poop:
 
Joke from Gutfeld!, paraphrased: "Bragg, upon hearing of the successful indictment of Trump, released 7 felons in celebration."

Then there is the unbelievable faux pax by Nancy Pelosi that Trump must prove his innocence. So it is Pelosi's belief that Trump is automatically guilty. That is counter to the US judicial process and also reflect poorly on Pelosi understanding of US laws and this from the former Speaker of the US House of Representatives. By extension, that mistaken philosophy is being applied to all those being arrested under an assertion that they were somehow involved in the January 6th rally. Her remarks demonstrate that she does not deserve to be in Congress.
 
It wasn't a faux pax. It was the world according to Nancy. She also believes that you have to pass a bill in order to see what it contains. She is right in both cases:(:( This is the world we live in and it is the fault of the feckless pieces of dog poo who call themselves Republicans. Once you give the Marxists an inch, they'll take a mile. I almost hope Trump ends up running as a third party candidate to hasten the demise of the Republican party.
 
Maybe you ought to not comment on subjects of which you are ignorant.
You're absolutely right. I only quote what I read in the papers. I'll bet you $5 he will be president if he runs for office.
Let's charge Colin with a crime:) I'm sure he has broken some law. Maybe he went through a red light late at night when no one was around. That's CRIMINAL. We'll search all the traffic cams in his town, we'll find it. We'll get him. I KNOW Colin has committed a crime. He is just that kind of person. Let's go through his tax returns with a fine tooth comb. I'm CERTAIN that there is some deduction he took that he was not entitled to. We'll make up a lie and get a search warrant so we can toss his home and rifle through his wife's underwear. You just never know where you're going to find a "secret" document.
I love that. I'll confess, I have committed crimes, who hasn't? I can list them if you're interested.

I dont do tax returns, I'm not self employed. My tax is deducted at source then I get paid what's left after stoppages.

Col
 
I'll bet you $5 he will be president if he runs for office.
Can't take the bet. We're on the same side. within 24 hours of the announcement of the indictment, People had donated 4 million to DJT's reelection campaign and 25% of the money came from new donors so this gambit by the Marxists who are trying to turn us into a banana republic could easily backfire. Even people who don't like Trump object to him being persecuted in an attempt to keep him from running in 2024. So far all the announced 2024 Presidential candidates have also condemned the persecution as well as some who might later announce. Even a slew of left leaning Democrats are criticizing the persecution.

We also have leaders of actual banana republics criticizing the move. You can't make this stuff up:) And I really hope some of our allies comment on it also. The Democrats have gone batshit crazy. There is no stopping them. But they are not fooling ANYONE apparently, even DJT's rational detractors. This is strictly political and an attempt to keep DJT off the ticket in 2024. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents felons from running for office and that is by design. If the Constitution prevented a felon from running, it would be open season (hunting term) on all Republicans attempting to challenge a sitting Democrat. They'd just find a crime and convict their opponent.

The ONLY positive move Biden has at this juncture is to announce his distaste also for persecuting political opponents and guaranteeing DJT a pardon if he is somehow convicted. Anything else, including silence, condemns him as a participant.
 
Hopefully, Trump holds a press conference directly after the clown show
I think they are anticipating that. There are rumors of a gag order. Can you imagine the brouhaha that will cause?
 
They would love nothing more than Trump slinking away hiding from the press
 
So is the uproar / complaints about an indictment being issued or the "leak"? The leak is of no real consequence (as discussed there is little in it that is not generally expected/known) and from earlier discussions (eg #2), it was attributing some blame on the democrats or their sympathisers. This smacks more of how a conspiracy develops - entrenching division.

An example of how us/them thinking develops - is encouraged - when critical thinking is not followed
Denial is not critical thinking.
Truth is more important than unity.
I don't think anyone has said that the leak is a huge deal or the biggest issue or anything like that.
Let it go
 
You're absolutely right. I only quote what I read in the papers. I'll bet you $5 he will be president if he runs for office.

I love that. I'll confess, I have committed crimes, who hasn't? I can list them if you're interested.

I dont do tax returns, I'm not self employed. My tax is deducted at source then I get paid what's left after stoppages.

Col
I've committed crimes too. I think everyone has.
What % of your income do you pay in taxes or did you in past years generally speaking after everything is said and done?
 

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