The Qur'an

[Galaxiom]

All Prophets, in their time, were the way and the truth and the life here and in the Hereafter.

They we all seriously delusional, mentally ill people who presumed their prejudices were given to them by a supernatural being.

The real fools are those who believe in them,

 

[ebs17]

For those who believe and do righteous deeds, will be Gardens; beneath which rivers flow: That is the great Salvation

The postponement of happiness and salvation until a later life, rather a vague promise of such, is a typical method of a religion. This distracts you from making your current life more bearable and better. "Slave, endure. If you are good and obedient, you will live like a king later."

And your quoting Lenin

Why not? A description of the situation cannot be equated with a political program.

Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister, said something like this: "You just have to repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth."

What significantly shapes our faith and our “knowledge”: What we constantly hear. The human subconscious and thus one's own primal feeling is shaped by a mass of information; it cannot distinguish between true and false.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Lennon asked us to imagine a world with no religion.

And....

Imagine there's no countries
Imagine no possessions

You would need to give up Australia and your unicycle, but that's a small price to pay for the greater good, right?

 

[AccessBlaster]

Found out yesterday if you want to visit Karl Marx's grave it will cost you 6 dollars. Oh, the irony!

 

[aziz rasul]

I see it more as highly organised and controlled superstitian.

So which part of post #60 is superstition?

 

[aziz rasul]

Here are some 'vague' Qur'anic verses.

SALVATION
Allah accepts the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy: For Allaah is full of knowledge and wisdom. Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, "Now have I repented indeed;" nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous.
Qur'an 4:17

Allaah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
Qur'an 4:48

If ye reject (Allaah), truly Allaah hath no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful, He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). For He knoweth well all that is in (men's) hearts.
Qur'an 39:7

“Indeed, those who recite the Book of Allaah and establish prayer and spend out of what We have provided them, secretly and publicly, (can) expect a profit that will never perish. That He may give them in full their rewards and increase for them of His bounty. Indeed, He is Forgiving and Appreciative.”
Qur'an 35:29.

HELLFIRE
They desire to extinguish Allaah’s Light with their mouths but Allaah will perfect His Light, though the disbelievers hate it.
Surah Saff Verse 8

But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the FIRE, whose fuel is MEN and stones, prepared for the DISBELIEVERS.
Qur'an 2:24

Those are the ones who have bought the life of this world [in exchange] for the Hereafter, so the PUNISHMENT will NOT be lightened for them, nor will they be aided.
Qur'an 2:86

 

[AccessBlaster]

Religion is is a form of mass hysteria based on holding beliefs without question. It is indistinguishable from mental illness.

People who can't define what a women is, shouldn't lecture other people on mental illness.

 

[aziz rasul]

The name of Jesus is scattered throughout the Qur'an. He is mentioned by name 25 times. Therefore all Muslims believe he existed as do Christians. Oh and Mary is the only woman's name mentioned in the Qur'an and the 19th Qur'anic chapter is called Mary.

The message of Islam was given and followed by ALL the PROPHETS.

And We sent not before you any messenger except that We revealed to him (MUHAMMAD) that, "There is no deity except Me, so worship Me."
Qur’an 21:25 See also Qur’an 21:107, Exodus 20:3, Deuteronomy 5:7

84. We gave him (ABRAHAM) ISAAC and JACOB: all (three) guided: and before him, We guided NOAH, and among his progeny, DAVID, SOLOMON, JOB, JOSEPH, MOSES, and AARON: thus do We reward those who do good:
85. And ZAKARIYA and JOHN, and JESUS and ELIAS: all in the ranks of the righteous:
86. And ISMA'IL and ELISHA, and JONAS, and LOT: and to all We gave favour above the nations:
87. (To them) and to their fathers, and progeny and brethren: We chose them, and we guided them to a straight way.
88. This is the guidance of Allaah: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth, of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him, all that they did would be vain for them.
Qur’an 6:84-88

And those who disbelieved say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, Allaah leaves astray whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him] -
Qur’an 13:27

 

[conception_native_0123]

this whole discussion is making me dizzy richard! ha.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

this whole discussion is making me dizzy richard! ha.

It can only make you dizzy if you ride the merry-go-round, Adam. Since quoting the Bible OR the Quran or the Torah makes no difference to me, I don't get dizzy over it.

And for what it is worth, that part of ALL of those holy books that describe creation are ALL going to be upset pretty soon. The James Webb Space Telescope is giving us evidence that the Big Bang was NOT the origin of the universe, and that in fact the universe may well be eternal. Of course, that would be incompatible with Genesis and with other holy books regarding creation. But of course the real adherents to the creation myth will merely jump ship to say that the eternal universe is where God has been all along, outside the area seemingly governed by the Big Bang.

Ho, hum... the more things change, the more they are the same.

 

[aziz rasul]

The creation of the universe:
“Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth (meaning the universe) were (once) one single entity (ratq), which We (meaning God, the Creator) then parted asunder (fataqa) and We got every living thing out of water. Will they then not [begin to] believe?”
Qur’an - Surah al-Anbiyaa (The Prophets) 21:30 See also 6:73, 24:45 and 25:54.

The end of the universe and a new universe:
The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.
Qur’an - Surah al-Anbiyaa (The Prophets) 21:104 See also 10:34, 27:64, 30:27, 3:5, 39:67 and 50:15.

From the above Qur'anic verses, it's possible that we have gone through a series of universes, one after the other. Who knows, there may be many universes at the same time. However, whatever the case may be, God has always existed and one of His attributes is that He is the Creator.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The James Webb Space Telescope is giving us evidence that the Big Bang was NOT the origin of the universe, and that in fact the universe may well be eternal.

Space is curved, we exist in a sphere within a sphere surrounded by spheres. A three dimensional stack up of spherical objects. Or a four or five dimensional hypersphere where we exist on a three dimensional plane where we have yet to detect the other dimension(s).
Or I could be just full of sh*t.

 

[NauticalGent]

Or I could be just full of sh*t.

Are we voting on this...?

 

[aziz rasul]

Religion is is a form of mass hysteria based on holding beliefs without question. It is indistinguishable from mental illness.

And the parable of those who disbelieve is as the parable of one who calls out to that which hears no more than a call and a cry; deaf, dumb (and) blind, so they do not understand. Qur'an 2:171

And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allaah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement. Qur'an 31:6

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The Day when We shall roll up the heavens as a recorder rolleth up a written scroll. As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon Us. Lo! We are to perform it.

Oh, Islam is a cyclic-universe cult. Thank you for the clarification. Unfortunately, the current parameters discovered by cosmologists don't point to a cyclic universe either.

 

[aziz rasul]

Oh, Islam is a cyclic-universe cult. Thank you for the clarification. Unfortunately, the current parameters discovered by cosmologists don't point to a cyclic universe either.

There's your problem, science in some cases is fluid and changes.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

There's your problem, science in some cases is fluid and changes.

And there is YOUR problem - that even in the face of certain change, religion stays in the dark ages philosophically.

 

[Jon]

I think that because of thousands of years of religion, it has wired itself into the DNA of the brain. We are born to want to believe in a higher being.

It also goes to show that highly intelligent people can believe opposite things. Just look at politics, for an example.

 

[AccessBlaster]

2) No one has yet proved or disproved the existence of God.

That's the crux of the issue. If God was provable almost everyone would be on board by default. He doesn't want that. In order to earn your place you must have faith. If you believe in him, he believes in you. Simple concept to separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[conception_native_0123]

The James Webb Space Telescope is giving us evidence that the Big Bang was NOT the origin of the universe, and that in fact the universe may well be eternal.

how interesting! got a link to an article where I can read about this? that would catch my attention greatly!