The Qur'an

aziz rasul said:
This is clearly given by God via the Holy Spirit (angel Gabriel) just as the Torah and Injil were given to Moses and Jesus respectively. The main message of the Qur'an is consistent with the SAME message (submission to the will of God alone in His Oneness ) of ALL the Prophets including Jesus (peace be upon them). Anything else is blasphemy as the Christians and Hindus practice by associated partners with God and will end up in HELLFIRE if they die in such a belief.

“Father, if you are WILLING, REMOVE this cup from me; yet, NOT MY WILL but YOURS be done.”
Luke 22:42

Say, "O mankind, the truth has come to you from your Lord, so whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul, and whoever goes astray only goes astray
[in violation] against it. And I am not over you a manager."
Qur'an 10:108

1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
Qur'an al Kafirun 109:1-6



According to the Bible and the Qur'an, everyone pays for their own sins and hence NO blood sacrifice is required, of that I am 100% sure. Any Biblical verse that says otherwise, then you have a contradiction.



In Islam, we can ask for forgiveness.

Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allaah. Indeed, Allaah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
Qur’an - 39:53

And to Allaah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills. And ever is Allaah Forgiving and Merciful.
Qur’an - 48:14

And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And if a heavily laden soul calls [another] to [carry some of] its load, nothing of it will be carried, even if he should be a close relative. You can only warn those who fear their Lord unseen and have established prayer. And whoever purifies himself only purifies himself for [the benefit of] his soul. And to Allaah is the [final] destination.
Qur’an - Surah Fatir (The Creator) 35:18



15. “O mankind! You are the ones who are in need of Allaah. And Allaah! He is the Absolute, the Owner of Praise.
16. If He wanted, he could destroy you and bring about a new creation.
17. And that is not hard for Allaah.”
Qur’an - Surah Faatir (The Originator) 35:15-17 See also 30:27 and 14:19-20.

7. (God) is the One who created you, then fashioned you harmoniously and in due proportion;
8. Into whatsoever form He willed, He made you out of components.
Qur’an - Surah al-Infitaar (The Believers) 82:7-8 See also 56:57-62, 71:14, 87:2.
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I believe you and I may be in heaven together, both of us praising God for His mercy
 
Isaac said:
What I meant was isn't it interesting that in any other context of discussion, you would find that corroboration, rather than derivation?
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With no disrespect intended, Isaac, I believe that is putting words in my mouth that I didn't and wouldn't say. Knowing that the myth is common to many cultures, but also knowing how primitive Man tended to exaggerate stories for dramatic effect, I might be skeptical. I've seen the actual fish that my dad caught and I've heard his fish stories. I know that Man sometimes exaggerates.

Given some of the stories that Man has told, I better understand Mark Twain's comment: Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to.
 
no one goes to the father except through the son.
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No one gets to Heaven unless they SUBMIT (as all the Prophets did) to God alone without any divisions\parts\partners and leave this world in this state.

285. The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allaah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the [final] destination."
286. Allaah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."
Qur'an 2:285-6
 
6. Indeed, those who DISBELIEVE - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will NOT believe.
7. Allaah has set a SEAL upon their HEARTS and upon their HEARING and over their VISION is a veil. And for them is a great PUNISHMENT.
Qur'an 2:6-7

6. For those who reject their Lord (and Cherisher) is the Penalty of Hell: and evil is (such), Destination.
7. When they are cast therein, they will hear the (terrible) drawing in of its breath even as it blazes forth,
8. Almost bursting with fury: Every time a Group is cast therein, its Keepers will ask, "Did no Warner come to you?"
9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a Warner did come to us, but we rejected him and said, 'Allaah never sent down any (Message): ye are nothing but an egregious delusion!'"
10. They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we should not (now) be among the Companions of the Blazing Fire!"
11. They will then confess their sins: but far will be (Forgiveness) from the Companions of the Blazing Fire!
12. As for those who fear their Lord unseen, for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward.
13. And whether ye hide your word or publish it, He certainly has (full) knowledge, of the secrets of (all) hearts.
14. Should He not know,- He that created? and He is the One that understands the finest mysteries (and) is well-acquainted (with them).
Qur’an - Surah al-Mulk (The Sovereignty) 671:6-14

Therefore, you shall devote yourself to the religion of strict monotheism. Such is the natural instinct placed into the people by God. Such creation of God will never change. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.
Qur'an 30:30
 
Yes, in essence. But we need to be sure that we can identify who we refer as HIM. If by Him, we are saying he is the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismail, Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all) and that He is One (ahad) who has no divisions or partners and there is no trinity, then yes we are on the same wavelength. The only religion that ALL the Prophets followed was Islam i.e. to SUBMIT to God alone.

Say: He is Allaah, the One and Only; Allaah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.
Qur'an 112:1-4
 
conception_native_0123 said:
we're basically saying the same thing, aren't we sir? we're both right. and as a side note, richard is wrong. sorry richard!
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Your emphasizing the exclusivity, I'm suggesting that God may have mercy in ways that will end up surprising us in the end for people who diligently sought him even if they didn't end up believing in judeo Christianity
 
Isaac said:
Your emphasizing the exclusivity, I'm suggesting that God may have mercy in ways that will end up surprising us in the end for people who diligently sought him even if they didn't end up believing in judeo Christianity
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well, being a biblical man myself Isaac, I can't really go along with that. the word of God specifically says that Jesus is the way. there is no other once he appeared to the world. I'll have a hard time believing what you say above, because it goes against the word. or rather, the flesh.
 
Jesus (peace of Allaah be upon him), as all Prophets (peace of Allaah be upon them) were the way in their time, but not the destination. A good destination depends on whether you completely SUBMIT to God alone and follow all the Prophets as their message was universal. Hence, singly out prophet Jesus (peace of Allaah be upon him) only, makes no sense.

And establish prayer and give charity (zakah) and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah intends only to remove from you the impurity, O people of the [Prophet's] household, and to purify you with Thorough purification.
Qur'an 33:33

We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?
Qur'an 41:53

Therefore, you shall devote yourself to the religion of strict monotheism. Such is the natural instinct placed into the people by God. Such creation of God will never change. This is the perfect religion, but most people do not know.
Qur'an 30:30

It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may DETEST [it].
Qur’an 61:9

Say, O [Muhammad], "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with Allaah -
Qur'an 41:6
 
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conception_native_0123 said:
well, being a biblical man myself Isaac, I can't really go along with that. the word of God specifically says that Jesus is the way. there is no other once he appeared to the world. I'll have a hard time believing what you say above, because it goes against the word. or rather, the flesh.
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That's why I quoted from the Bible to support my thesis. God rewards those who diligently seek him it does not say who find him it says who seek him.
 
Isaac said:
Sounds like you are getting angry.
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I don't know where you got that idea from. Is that what your congregation elders tell to you say when proselytizing and you can't answer a simple question?

Were there kangaroos on the ark? How did they get from Australian to the middle East and then back?
 
That's why I quoted from the Bible to support my thesis.
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[Jesus said], "And indeed, Allaah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path."
Qur'an 19:36

‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
John 20:17
 
Galaxiom said:
Were there kangaroos on the ark? How did they get from Australian to the middle East and then back?
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Yes, the same entity that created the heavens and earth provided the animals needed. It's about faith, if you have it all things are possible.
 
At some point you have to ask why that same all-powerful entity didn't just flood everything and then recreate the animals when the flood was over. And there is the matter that flooding the Earth for 40 days was kind of wasteful. After all, if that entity could say fiat lux and create a whole universe, why would he NOT choose to say fiat mortem and just kill everyone on one lousy little planet. Or fiat nihil like Thanos did in Avengers: Infinity Wars. Sounds to me like the folks who wrote that passage didn't appreciate what it meant to be an all-powerful deity, so they picked a mundane and dramatic method of wiping out everyone and everything. Made for better story-telling, probably.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
At some point you have to ask why that same all-powerful entity didn't just flood everything and then recreate the animals when the flood was over. And there is the matter that flooding the Earth for 40 days was kind of wasteful. After all, if that entity could say fiat lux and create a whole universe, why would he NOT choose to say fiat mortem and just kill everyone on one lousy little planet. Or fiat nihil like Thanos did in Avengers: Infinity Wars. Sounds to me like the folks who wrote that passage didn't appreciate what it meant to be an all-powerful deity, so they picked a mundane and dramatic method of wiping out everyone and everything. Made for better story-telling, probably.
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Because we would miss the lesson.
 
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