The Qur'an

Galaxiom said:
I don't know where you got that idea from
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Because most people only resort to calling stupid, insults (etc) once they are a bit angry and have lost control.
Good to know this is just a normal part of your day :)

And I have no idea if kangaroos were on the ark, but that'd be awful cute if they were.
 
Uncle Gizmo said:
Fact check - is this true?
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This is nonsense.

With the Oriental Schism at the end of the 11th century, the Christian Church separated into a Western Roman Church (subsequently Catholic Church) and an Eastern Roman Church (subsequently Orthodox Church).
So Catholics didn't exist until much later after the emergence of Islam.

But the content is also nonsense. This person is not worth any money.
 
AccessBlaster said:
Because we would miss the lesson.
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Based on the story of Noah, all but eight of us didn't SURVIVE the lesson to have learned anything from it. The eight who DID survive would have learned as much from fiat mortem as from fait aqua or fiat magna pluvia.
 
It depends on who you call "Catholic".

I'm pretty sure a catechism-educated Catholic would argue that they've been in existence since Jesus told Peter, on this rock I will build my church.
 
I'm pretty sure a catechism-educated Catholic would argue that they've been in existence since Jesus told Peter, on this rock I will build my church.
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But Islam began at the time of Adam (peace of Allaah be upon him).
 
Sorry, Aziz, but ALL religions began at that time. They didn't differentiate until schizms and different sects started to happen. So your claim, while technically true, is meaningless in practical terms. Christianity couldn't come into separate focus until there was a Christ. But the Essenes were a Jewist (not Muslim) sect that was believed to include John the Baptist, and that was also believed to have strongly influenced Jesus. In many of his ways, doctrines, and sayings, Jesus was very much like the Essenes. He wasn't Muslim. Muhammad later tried to claim him so he could steal a few Christians from their congregations.
 
All religions DIDN'T begin at that time.

All Prophets\Messengers were Muslims as they ALL SUBMITTED to God alone. Muhammad (peace be upon him) did not need to claim anything as the fact was already there.

The TRUE teachings of Judaism and Christianity was and is Islam.

I will turn away from My signs those who are arrogant upon the earth without right; and if they should see every sign, they will not believe in it. And if they see the way of consciousness, they will not adopt it as a way; but if they see the way of error, they will adopt it as a way. That is because they have denied Our signs and they were heedless of them.
Qur'an 7:146

"The Messenger (Muhammad) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in God, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say,) ‘We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers’ — and they say, ‘We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)’."
Qur’an 2:285
 
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The_Doc_Man said:
Sorry, Aziz, but ALL religions began at that time. They didn't differentiate until schizms and different sects started to happen. So your claim, while technically true, is meaningless in practical terms. Christianity couldn't come into separate focus until there was a Christ. But the Essenes were a Jewist (not Muslim) sect that was believed to include John the Baptist, and that was also believed to have strongly influenced Jesus. In many of his ways, doctrines, and sayings, Jesus was very much like the Essenes. He wasn't Muslim. Muhammad later tried to claim him so he could steal a few Christians from their congregations.
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And if I'm not mistaken, Muhammad actually wasn't actually seen as faithful within either religion
 
Aziz, do you understand what the holy spirit is? It's mentioned 351 times in both the old and new testament of the bible.

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Do you understand that unless you are born again of the spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. There is no amount of works or deeds that you can do to earn the holy spirit's entrance into your being and be sealed with God. You must have faith in his free gift first, or no bueno. There is nothing you can do to show God how greater your deeds are than his holy sacrifice. So while there is a path, it's a narrow one.
 
aziz rasul said:
The TRUE teachings of Judaism and Christianity was and is Islam.
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Yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before. EVERY religious denomination and sect claims to be the "true" religion. We all know that every religion is wrong. You - but not I - would say "all but one." Every sect, every denomination offers "proof" but it doesn't bear up under strict scrutiny.
 
Mike Krailo said:
So while there is a path, it's a narrow one
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It's narrow at first, when one is setting aside one's desire to control one's own life, it feels that way.

Then when on the right path, at once you burst forth into great joy and having experienced such great and expansive mercy, it no longer feels narrow.

This is a big difference between Christianity and just about every other religion, wherein most of them you always kind of feel guilty, not good enough, hoping to earn your way. Jesus say, I am the way; believe in me. And you will know it is true once you have chosen the way, as the holy spirit bears witness inside of you. The best "proof" is the supernatural joy, peace, devotion, one-ness with God that can only be known having fully accepted and surrendered to Him. Wow, so much better than being without God though!
 
And if I'm not mistaken,
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And if I'm not mistaken, you don't know what you are talking about. It's almost as idiotic and ignorant as Galaxiom's replies.
 
Aziz, do you understand what the holy spirit is?
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According to God's final Scripture, yes I do.

7. Who made good everything that He has created, and He began the creation of man from clay (tiyn).
8. And made his progeny (nasl) from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised (due to the fact that the liquid passes through the urinary tract).
9. But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His Spirit (Gabriel). And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give!
Qur’an - Surah as-Sajda (The Prostration) 32:7-9 See also 15:28-9, 16:4, 18:37 and 22:5.

Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims.
Qur’an – Surah an-Nahl (The Bee) 16:102

97. Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is [none but] he who has brought the Qur'an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah , confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers."
98. Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers.
Qur’an - Surah al-Baqara (The Heifer) 2:97-98

From your FALSE understanding of the Holy Spirit, not only is not narrow, it's non existent.

The path to success in the Hereafter is through following God without any partners and His Prophets.

16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East,
17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit (Ruh) and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man.
18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God-fearing.
19. He sai : “Nay, I am only a messenger (Rasul) from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
20. She said: “How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?”
21. He said: “So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter (so) decreed.”
Qur’an - Surah Maryam (Mary) 19:16-21 See also 21:91 and 66:12
 
I'm gonna have to say no to that one!
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1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
Qur'an al Kafirun 109:1-6
 
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